We Don't Need Another Habitual Liar In The White House

canndo

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I tell you what, when females can compete with men in athletic events without having to have their own divisions, I'll support sending them off to fight.

When females don't need any "special" protection from "domestic violence" or "rape" because they can't defend themselves from men, I'll support sending them off to fight.


But as long as BIOLOGY dictates that females will be SLOWER, have LESS endurance, LESS strength, and LESS muscle mass than males, I will NOT pretend that females make good warriors. They DON'T. Men do not respect females the same way we do males, and we sure as fuck don't fear them.

Our fighting men deserve better than that. Period. It's a g'damn shame assholes are willing to risk the lives of good men just to appease chicks that want to pretend to be "warriors".

The military needs female troops about as much as they need troops with down syndrome.


I don't know, is there a lot of hand to hand combat on a modern battlefield? Do our troops often get close enough to actually need strength? So far as endurance, it has long been known that woman have superior endurance and can easily have a superior mental attitude. Got a problem with woman pilots? Tank drivers? weapons techs? delivery systems operators? intel? When was the last time we fought with axes and morning stars and swords and shields?
 

beenthere

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In otherwords, Beenthere, as always with the right, there is only naysaying, conflict and despoiling. Never a constructive suggestion, never an act in good faith, never anything but no or not good enough, or a scoff and a snort. Everything about the present is wrong but do you folks present an alternative worthy of our attention? Not sence Reagan and that was a long long time ago. And legislation? I can't see any legislation presented by the right that might help the majority of Americans. "flag apprecion day", "Sense of Congress "resolutions" regarding mothers" "freedom fries", usless nonsense.

If you folks are sooo damn smart and soooo offended by lying cheating politicians, then how about your putting some of them up for us to vote upon.
Well, let me ask you a couple of honest questions and we can debate this.

Did you watch the videos and is Hillary lying?
Would you want a President who you know is an unequivocal liar?
Do you put politics before country?
 

NLXSK1

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Well, let me ask you a couple of honest questions and we can debate this.

Did you watch the videos and is Hillary lying?
Would you want a President who you know is an unequivocal liar?
Do you put politics before country?
Hillary is a completely upstanding person and deserves the medal of honor after surviving that sniper attack over in whateveristan... Oh wait... There is footage proving she totally lied about that?? nevermind....
 

canndo

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Well, let me ask you a couple of honest questions and we can debate this.

Did you watch the videos and is Hillary lying?
Would you want a President who you know is an unequivocal liar?
Do you put politics before country?

I did not, but i know her to lie. I would not want an habitual lier in the whitehouse, but I would prefer that to the occasional one - like, say, Nixon.

I put country before everything except family and morality. Do you? I am afraid you do not.

Now what is your point here? Have you found a suitable candidate who will never ever lie to the American people and is willing to actually do right by the majority of them? Did you figure somehow that Romney was not a lier of supreme proportions? is that it?
 

beenthere

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Hillary is a completely upstanding person and deserves the medal of honor after surviving that sniper attack over in whateveristan... Oh wait... There is footage proving she totally lied about that?? nevermind....
What difference at this point, does it make?
 

Wilksey

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I don't know, is there a lot of hand to hand combat on a modern battlefield? Do our troops often get close enough to actually need strength? So far as endurance, it has long been known that woman have superior endurance and can easily have a superior mental attitude. Got a problem with woman pilots? Tank drivers? weapons techs? delivery systems operators? intel? When was the last time we fought with axes and morning stars and swords and shields?

Females have superior endurance?

Really?

Interesting, as Olympic competition shows otherwise.
 

canndo

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Females have superior endurance?

Really?

Interesting, as Olympic competition shows otherwise.
Different muscle recruiting patterns between men and women may affect muscular endurance. According to Brian C. Clark and colleagues in a 2007 article in the “Journal of Applied Physiology,” women may have increased muscular endurance because of a more effective activation pattern than men. Women fatigued less quickly because they recruited more synergistic muscle groups. Men failed to recruit these muscles and therefore had less muscular endurance than women.



Blood flow restriction within the muscle during contraction may reduce muscular endurance. Women had better blood flow throughout the muscle and fatigued less quickly compared to men, according to Sandra K. Hunter and colleague in a 2001 article in the “Journal of Applied Physiology.” Men’s larger muscle mass and higher intensity muscle contraction may have constricted capillaries, and contributed to the decreased blood flow and reduced muscular endurance. However, David W. Russ and colleague in a 2003 article in the “Journal of Applied Physiology,” stated no difference in blood flow between men and women. Instead, men may have fatigued earlier because of a less efficient metabolism within the muscle when compared to women.


men tend to gravitate towards maximal exercises with high weight and low repetition to gain muscle bulk, strength and power. Women tend to use lower weight and more reps. Women usually want to slim down or tone, which is accomplished with endurance exercises. When men and women equally participate in endurance training, similar levels of muscular endurance may be achieved between both sexes.


Testosterone is a hormone that helps to build lean body mass or muscle. Men have more testosterone and more lean body mass or muscle compared to women. However, more muscle does not mean more muscular endurance. In fact, testosterone, increased muscle mass and strength may decrease muscular endurance compared to women.


Some people may think it rather obvious that, on average, men have an advantage over women when it comes to distance running. However, a 1992 analysis of track and field records (Whipp & Ward, Nature 355: 25, 1992) suggested the possibility that the fastest women in the world might catch up to the fastest men in the not-too-distant future. Such a scenario would imply that women have the same athletic potential as men. So, is that really true? Or, alternatively, do men have certain biological advantages that they are unlikely to relinquish within the next century?
I'm not going to attempt a comparison of male and female sprinters. For distance runners, however, we can compare men and women using the endurance performance model described in my February column. You may recall that the model includes three components -- maximal oxygen consumption (VO2max), the lactate threshold, and running economy -- each of which is considered an important determinant of success in races ranging from 3 to 30 miles.
[h=3]Looking for biological differences[/h]A natural question to ask is: do men and women differ with respect to these three traits? For VO2max, the answer is yes. The average VO2max is about 33 milliliters of oxygen per kilogram of body mass per minute for sedentary young women and around 42 ml/kg/min for sedentary young men (Bouchard et al., Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 30: 252-8, 1998). Elite female distance runners can sometimes reach VO2max readings of 70+ ml/kg/min (Pate et al., International Journal of Sports Medicine 8 (Suppl.): 91-5, 1987), whereas elite men can attain values in the 80s (Pollock, Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 301: 310-22, 1977).
The lactate threshold -- the percentage of VO2max at which lactic acid begins to accumulate in the blood -- has not been extensively studied in female runners. Nonetheless, the available data indicate that elite women can run marathons at about 75-85% of VO2max, essentially the same as for elite men (Davies & Thompson, European Journal of Applied Physiology 41: 233-45, 1979; Iwaoka et al., International Journal of Sports Medicine 9: 306-9, 1988).
 

canndo

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Hillary is a completely upstanding person and deserves the medal of honor after surviving that sniper attack over in whateveristan... Oh wait... There is footage proving she totally lied about that?? nevermind....

I'll ask again - who do you folks have?
 

canndo

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I am not sure, nor could it ever be verified I believe, but it is likely that President Carter was the least lying of all the recent presidents, Has he ever been caught in a lie?


Now, how effective was he as president? Do you REALLY want a perfectly honest person in the whitehouse?
 

beenthere

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I did not, but i know her to lie. I would not want an habitual lier in the whitehouse, but I would prefer that to the occasional one - like, say, Nixon.
I'm not sure I understand you reasoning here canndo. You prefer an occasional liar over a habitual liar?
Jeeze. given that choice, I'd have to take the politician who occasionally lied. Boy are we miles apart in that aspect.


I put country before everything except family and morality. Do you? I am afraid you do not.
I'll always put country before politics. Your snarky remark only proves you are not in control of you emotions.

Now what is your point here? Have you found a suitable candidate who will never ever lie to the American people and is willing to actually do right by the majority of them? Did you figure somehow that Romney was not a lier of supreme proportions? is that it?
I believe most politicians lie at on time or another, it's unfortunate but it's a fact IMO.
With that said, I also believe that the context and severity of their lies are far more important for me to establish a trust for that particular politician.

For instance, one of the videos shows Hillary lying about dodging bullets while on a trip to Bosnia. To me, that's a small lie, she's lying to build herself up as a strong leader, that lie alone would not have my hackles up. On the other hand, when she got in front of the American people and told a bald face lie about the terrorist attack in Benghazi, I'd never trust another word she says.

We have two years to decide on which candidate to run, I have a lot of research to do in that time.

Some food for thought, keep in mind that finding a qualified and trusted candidate for the Presidency is much harder these days than eliminating the many.
 

Doer

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I am not sure, nor could it ever be verified I believe, but it is likely that President Carter was the least lying of all the recent presidents, Has he ever been caught in a lie?


Now, how effective was he as president? Do you REALLY want a perfectly honest person in the whitehouse?
That is because your eyes pitifully wide shut to all but, the Partisan 10%

Invariably Carter introduced himself as a “nuclear physicist and a peanut farmer.” He was neither: he held only a bachelor’s degree, and he owned a peanut warehouse.

He invited listeners to write to him. “Just put ‘Jimmy Carter, Plains, Georgia’ on the envelope, and I’ll get it. I open every letter myself and read them all.” But Carter’s press secretary admitted to Brill that all mail so addressed was forwarded to the campaign staff in Atlanta.

Carter boasted that at the completion of his term as governor he had left Georgia with a budget surplus of $200 million, but Brill discovered that the true amount was $43 million, which was all that remained of a $91 million surplus Carter had inherited when he took office.

Carter described an innovative program he had pioneered, employing welfare mothers to care for the mentally handicapped. “You should see them bathing and feeding the retarded children. They’re the best workers we have in the state government,” he enthused to audiences. But there was no way to see them–they did not, in fact, exist, as Brill learned from state officials.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2007/01/26/carters-lies/

Partisans lie to themselves every day, the same lies the party repeats. It is where you get the lie that Carter never lied.
 

ginwilly

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I am not sure, nor could it ever be verified I believe, but it is likely that President Carter was the least lying of all the recent presidents, Has he ever been caught in a lie?


Now, how effective was he as president? Do you REALLY want a perfectly honest person in the whitehouse?
I agree that Carter was mostly an honest virtuous man compared to most presidents. I still have respect for him in that regard. I disagree that's why he sucked.

What's different about his ideology than Obama? Other than killing american citizens without trial I can't think of any. In fact, many experts compare the two's tenures quite often.
 

Sand4x105

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I can always tell if a politician is lying because their lips move when they lie.
Everyone lies...
It has been proven that men tell on average 20+ lies per day... So since most politician's are men, I expect them to lie...
Hillary 2016.... Because she's a really good liar....why not...
I am too stupid of a member of the USA and the real truth I could never handle...
So... please lie to me... please... because you will...
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Everyone lies...
It has been proven that men tell on average 20+ lies per day... So since most politician's are men, I expect them to lie...
Hillary 2016.... Because she's a really good liar....why not...
I am too stupid of a member of the USA and the real truth I could never handle...
So... please lie to me... please... because you will...
This is brilliant reverse psychology.

 

beenthere

New Member
Anyway, I agree that Carter kept his lies to a minimum (for a politician) and most of them were more than likely to build himself up.

I can't say the same for Obama and Hillary though, I believe they would lie to the American people at all costs, just to keep in power.
 

canndo

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I'm not sure I understand you reasoning here canndo. You prefer an occasional liar over a habitual liar?
Jeeze. given that choice, I'd have to take the politician who occasionally lied. Boy are we miles apart in that aspect.



I'll always put country before politics. Your snarky remark only proves you are not in control of you emotions.

I believe most politicians lie at on time or another, it's unfortunate but it's a fact IMO.
With that said, I also believe that the context and severity of their lies are far more important for me to establish a trust for that particular politician.

For instance, one of the videos shows Hillary lying about dodging bullets while on a trip to Bosnia. To me, that's a small lie, she's lying to build herself up as a strong leader, that lie alone would not have my hackles up. On the other hand, when she got in front of the American people and told a bald face lie about the terrorist attack in Benghazi, I'd never trust another word she says.

We have two years to decide on which candidate to run, I have a lot of research to do in that time.

Some food for thought, keep in mind that finding a qualified and trusted candidate for the Presidency is much harder these days than eliminating the many.


Beenthere, you state things that are patently false. I can usualy trace those items to rghtist blogs or information dispersement centers. The fact that you do not cross reference what it is that you say, and in essence force me to do it, knowing that most will simply take your word at face value, may, in some concepts, make you a lier. I don't happen to feel that way but I am partial to giving others more than the benefit of the dobut.

the occasional lier, bolsters his reputation for truth only to use that reputation to foment the BIG lie, the lies held in reserve. the people, having come to believe the man will naturaly believe the lie along with the many truths - this is the more dangerous person.

If I have offended you, I appologize, but it is the way I see it. You commonly come down on the side of theory or poliicial and economic philosophy rather than on the side of the people. America is its people, if you consistantly opt for policies that have those people suffer, then I have trouble believing that you hold country first. country is not our borders, our flag and our military. It is the small town every day people and the big city struggling to get along follk. You consistantly ignore them, if not gloat over their misery as you seem to be doing with obamacare. Not once have I seen you suggest fixes for obamacare, except for scrapping it and leaving nothing in it's place. Hardly a boon to those AMERICANS in dire need of some sort of protection.
 
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