Will Creepy Joe run in 2020?

Fogdog said:

I'm waiting to see who is running and how they compare to each other when the presidential campaign heats up. Personally, I prefer that the Democratic Party nominates somebody younger than either Bernie or Joe. Regardless, my vote is for the Democrat in the general election. I'm used to my candidate losing the primary. I've yet to see a Republican I can vote for running for Prez.

Now back to my question to you: Black people chose Clinton over Bernie in a big way. Are you saying that black people aren't able to make good decisions?

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Fogdog said:

Black people didn't vote for Bernie in 2016. I haven't seen any demonstration from Bernie that he's trying to build bridges with black Democratic Party leaders. It's not as if he's doing an end-around and directly appealing to the broad base either. There has been no demonstration from Bernie that he's reaching out to Democratic Party voters who are black, Hispanic or women to show leadership in their issues. Regarding your claim that Democracy is dead in this country, I'd like to remind you that Democracy is not all about catering to white men, maybe with a kennel in the back room. Bernie has to win black, Hispanic and women's votes to win the Democratic nomination. Failure to do so isn't a demonstration of the failure of democracy. Actually, Clinton's win demonstrates otherwise. She most clearly did win the votes of not only the majority of the party by a whopping large margin but also across a broad diverse base of the party.

Please don't embarass yourself by posting opinion polls. What effort is Bernie putting forth to show leadership in issues that affect women, black and Hispanic voters? I can point to times where he quite clearly demonstrated that he didn't get it. The best example was when he said that "people are tired of pc rhetoric" and went on to show he didn't even understand what pc rhetoric was. That was about two years ago and a month after the Presidential election was over. I find no examples of him walking this statement back. It wasn't that he misspoke, he truly meant it. It plays well with white men, which is his base and he's not going to do anything to affect that. His strength is his weakness.

skip to 0:43 to 1:15

He deflects to other issues quite quickly thereafter. His message is how money has screwed up the system. Quite clearly in this town hall he didn't want to dwell on issues that affect black, brown or women's issues.

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schuylaar said:

you ask that question quite often of members..are you concerned back populace do not make good decisions?

i think you're angry and looking for a fight.

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ttystikk said:

This has nothing to do with what I said.

I saw exactly no other candidate give his platform to Black Lives Matter.

As Bernie has toured the country since the election, he's picked up support from many demographic groups, including those if color.

You're trying to knock him for sticking to his economic message- which affects monitored even more than white people, so your constant harping on his supposed color insensitivity simply doesn't square with the facts and never did.

You vote for your candidate and I'll vote for mine.

Not that I think the system we live in is a democracy; for that, we'd have to eliminate the influence of money and I don't see that happening in this country anytime soon, if ever.

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schuylaar said:

you ask that question quite often of members..are you concerned back populace do not make good decisions?

i think you're angry and looking for a fight.

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Fogdog said:

I wonder why you keep up with the vein of thought that black people chose wrongly. Its very dismissive of you.

Very dismissive of you.

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schuylaar said:

you're a very scary man inside, please seek psychiatric assistance.

FTW black populace didn't choose incorrectly; they didn't choose, period. on a scale of 'dumb to 10'..where do YOU think NOT voting lies, freakshow?

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Fogdog said:

It makes sense that black voters are invisible to you. They are to Sanders as well.

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trippnface said:

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Right. It was Sanders that signed his name next to multiple oppresive drugs laws ( mostly effecting blacks)

and it was Sanders that supports Israel training police that terrorize black neigborhoods....

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Fogdog said:

After all was tallied 80% of black people chose Clinton over Bernie.. I wonder why you keep up with the vein of thought that black people chose wrongly. Its very dismissive of you. You might as well complain that women also didn't vote in the majority for Bernie. If we just look at the white women demographic, they didn't give Bernie the majority either. Taken together Clinton beat Bernie by a 12% margin. Yet you keep hanging on to how much better Bernie was. According to how people chose to place their votes, he was not. It wasn't even close.

Very dismissive of you.

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Fogdog said:

Here you deny the facts. Clinton won 80% of the votes from black people in the Democratic primary. If you read what analysts who are black said about this, they said that it was because Bernie didn't address issues affecting black people. Women who had experience with Senator Sanders from Vermont said they felt invisible to him. His policies are fine. Democrats support universal heath care coverage and eliminating corporate or big money donors from campaigns. All fine there. Not disagreeing, just saying black, women and Hispanic voters were not convinced that those policies addressed their issues. It's telling that after all is said and done after the election, Bernie hasn't shown much capacity to learn from his own mistakes. Maybe you and he think repeating something that didn't work will somehow give a different result?

Black voters gave their vote to Hillary because they saw her as being a better leader on these issues than Bernie. She wasn't perfect, just better. Bernie hasn't done anything to address his blind spots when it comes to race and gender issues -- the real reason for his loss.

Pull up a speech from Bernie and post a link where he addresses a black, urban audience post-election. I've looked and can't find it. He's spoken at a few southern colleges but those kids aren't why he lost.

I haven't heard anything from him that walks back from his totally white pride statement that "people are tired of pc rhetoric". I can assure you that black people are not tired of civil conversation. They are tired of enduring daily insults though. Which brings me to -- those "people" Bernie was talking about. Pretty much white people wouldn't you say? I couldn't hear it but I think I saw him blowing a dog whistle in that video.

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trippnface said:

Yes, that bill. Even Sanders voted for it, unfortunately

That is just simply one more item in his political history that no serious Liberal could positively identify with.

There are many different instances...

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ttystikk said:

I denied nothing. I called you out for misrepresenting the facts.

Run along now, msnbc has breaking news on Russia you need to watch.

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Fogdog said:

Stating the fact that Bernie said "people are tired of pc rhetoric" then going on to completely botch the explanation for what pc rhetoric is, then posting a vid where he says that and shows the quote is not taken out of context is misrepresentation?

Just goes to show how far down the delusional road Bernie's supporters have gone. It's not about you, by the way, it's about the health of the movement that started out with such promise.

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ttystikk said:

What language is that?

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Fogdog said:

Stating the fact that Bernie said "people are tired of pc rhetoric" then going on to completely botch the explanation for what pc rhetoric is and following up by posting a vid where he says that and shows the quote is not taken out of context is misrepresentation?

Just goes to show how far down the delusional road Bernie's supporters have gone. It's not about you, by the way, it's about the health of the movement that started out with such promise.

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Fogdog said:

lol, fair enough. Keep those ears tightly stopped.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

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trippnface said:

I am confused who you are supporting to combat Trump?

Are you saying if Sanders runs 2020, you would vote against him?

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ttystikk said:

What language is that?

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Fogdog said:

lol, fair enough. Keep those ears tightly stopped.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

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Fogdog said:

Being that you aren't from around here, you wouldn't know that we have a long history of poor leadership when it comes to issues of social equality. I don't think Bernie is racist like Trump. He's just has the symptoms of racial glaucoma that most white people in the US suffer from. He's not malicious in this regard, just inept.

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