Why are so many growers against gun ownership?

No Drama...... True or False..... Schedule 1 drugs are determined at the Federal level. True or false: Violations for the manufacture of or trafficking of marijuana have minimum sentence guidelines as determined by Congress. True or False: Everyone of the articles cited, the grower was charged with a felony, manufacturing of a schedule 1 drug, or marijuana AND possession of a firearm while in the commission of a felony. Here are sentencing guidelines and lawyers sites suggesting defenses. I have found most states sentence 10 years. SC for instance has a minimum of 24 ADDITIONAL months to be served concurrently, which means separately from other time sentenced. It is because of these laws that I choose not to have any firearms in my home while growing, regardless of what you say....

Why do you think the separate charge exists? It is a Class B felony in many states. Manufacturing marijuana is a serious charge in and of itself without adding felonious firearm charges to it.

http://www.criminal-trial-lawyer.org/lawyer-attorney-1486445.html
http://www.jkrlaw.com/california-felony-sentencing-schedule

You don't need to dumb anything down smart ass. This conversation is over. May you never get caught trafficking or growing marijuana while in possession of firearms...

Good day smart ass....

Serapis said:

No Drama...... True or False..... Schedule 1 drugs are determined at the Federal level. True or false: Violations for the manufacture of or trafficking of marijuana have minimum sentence guidelines as determined by Congress. True or False: Everyone of the articles cited, the grower was charged with a felony, manufacturing of a schedule 1 drug, or marijuana AND possession of a firearm while in the commission of a felony. Here are sentencing guidelines and lawyers sites suggesting defenses. I have found most states sentence 10 years. SC for instance has a minimum of 24 ADDITIONAL months to be served concurrently, which means separately from other time sentenced. It is because of these laws that I choose not to have any firearms in my home while growing, regardless of what you say....

Why do you think the separate charge exists? It is a Class B felony in many states. Manufacturing marijuana is a serious charge in and of itself without adding felonious firearm charges to it.

http://www.criminal-trial-lawyer.org/lawyer-attorney-1486445.html
http://www.jkrlaw.com/california-felony-sentencing-schedule

You don't need to dumb anything down smart ass. This conversation is over. May you never get caught trafficking or growing marijuana while in possession of firearms...

Good day smart ass....

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Look dude, this is what im telling you. your statement

Having a firearm while growing marijuana only compounds the charges and makes it likely you'll do 7-10 in a Federal prison. It isn't worth the aggravated charges.

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is FACTUALLY WRONG. Don't go scaring people into thinking you go to the Big time Federal prison for having a firearm. You don't. Do you get it now? I am not saying you aren't going to get extra charges, I am not saying it doesn't count against you to Possess the firearms in the same place as your grow. I am saying you DO NOT go to FEDERAL Prison over it unless the charges are somehow federal jurisdiction, and federal jurisdiction means it has to go over state lines.

Im not saying your stupid, i just want you to know what ACTUALLY would happen and not the trumped up charges and penalties you think will happen. You aren't going to go to federal prison, your going to go to the state pen, maybe just county jail if you got a good lawyer. The States with high crime rates would rather just make you pay a big fine, take all your posessions and auction them off for cash to supprt their own jobs than have to use state resources to hold you in prison. On the FEDERAL level its a whole different ballgame, you never want to be in a federal prison, those places have the true criminals and psychopaths.

Ok so were all up to speed right? We all agree than more than likely you aren't going to go to a Federal prison unless you are engaged in some kind of Federal crime, which if your just growing your own medicine and just happen to hunt, or target shoot or just want to protect yourself against zombies ( Thats me) and have a (OMG Shock and Awe!) Ar-15 assault rifle, isn't going to happen. Sure, the state is going to fuck you over more than normal, but if you take precautions there is no reason why everyone who grows shouldn't own a gun or two, or three, or.......

or 10.........

Mindmelted said:

or 10.........

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Hell yea!!!!

I am sick!! What can i say...

gun ownership should be required. someone wanting to rob someone would think twice if he knew the other person was armed. but outlawing pistols wont stop armed robbery. outlaw pistols, then they start carrying sawed off shotguns. it would be a never ending cycle so outlawing is not the answer.

pfft ... cocked locked and ready to rock always.

NoDrama said:

owning a firearm does not increase the penalties of growing.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/ut/psn/documents/guncard.pdf

I know people who have been raided, 5 guns confiscated. having the guns did nothing it was still misdemeanor possesion and the guns were all returned to the owner.

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not true. typically these are STATE laws. what you are reading only applies FEDERALLY so only if like the DEA, etc raids. if the city police, sheriffs, etc arrest you, in most places simultaneous possession is a charge. i have a friend in prison right now for this. class Y felony. very serious.

NoDrama said:

Look dude, this is what im telling you. your statement is FACTUALLY WRONG. Don't go scaring people into thinking you go to the Big time Federal prison for having a firearm. You don't. Do you get it now? I am not saying you aren't going to get extra charges, I am not saying it doesn't count against you to Possess the firearms in the same place as your grow. I am saying you DO NOT go to FEDERAL Prison over it unless the charges are somehow federal jurisdiction, and federal jurisdiction means it has to go over state lines.

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this is not how it works man. you go to a Federal Prison if you commit a federal crime, yes. but nothing has to cross state lines to become federal. that is absurd. if a federal law enforcement agency raids you and arrests you for federal crimes, YOU GO TO FEDERAL PRISON. which is not necessarily worse than state prison in fact in many cases its safer if you are not a violent offender. either way, like my other comment says, its not the feds that get you for the guns. its the state, and in most states, it is a serious offense to be in simultaneous possession of a controlled substance and firearm. these are bullshit laws, but they still exist.

Soium said:

Gun ownership turns growing into a violent crime, which would increase your sentence if you get busted.

If the cops bust a guy with 5 plants (first offense) he'll probably be able to plea down to just probation. Add a couple weapons into that, and they'll make you out to be a terrorist.

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Serapis said:

Having a firearm while growing marijuana only compounds the charges and makes it likely you'll do 7-10 in a Federal prison. It isn't worth the aggravated charges.

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friendlyfarmer said:

not true. typically these are STATE laws. what you are reading only applies FEDERALLY so only if like the DEA, etc raids. if the city police, sheriffs, etc arrest you, in most places simultaneous possession is a charge. i have a friend in prison right now for this. class Y felony. very serious.

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I don't know why anyone would call these statements false. It IS a state by state issue and YES in some states ( at least in mine) it's federal AND it's felony.
I'M NOT AGAINST GUNS. I KNOW PLENTY OF LEGAL SAFE OWNERS.
like the poster above said. get caught with 5 plants .... you can possibly get a misdemeanor. 5 plants and a gun. Felony and time for sure. Bitch is .. having that felony will prevent you from ever owning a firearm again. Bit of a catch 22. My gf wants a gun for our protection, but i won't have it. I figure if i get robbed. Good luck to em!! Let's see how far you make it with a 6 ft plant unnoticed in my neighborhood. I don't need the stress of extra jail time for having guns along with my plants.

friendlyfarmer said:

not true. typically these are STATE laws. what you are reading only applies FEDERALLY so only if like the DEA, etc raids. if the city police, sheriffs, etc arrest you, in most places simultaneous possession is a charge. i have a friend in prison right now for this. class Y felony. very serious.

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You should read the whole post, your lost in the woods and the bread crumb trail was eaten by mice.

ataxia said:

Bitch is .. having that felony will prevent you from ever owning a firearm again.

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This is not true, in some states you can gain your gun ownership rights back even if you have a violent felony.

i have 8 guns and plan on owning more, i love em, i guess you can say i collect them. i dont hunt at all, i just like target shooting and i have my shotgun for home protection. i see the anti-gun people in the same light as i see the anti-marijuana people. just my opinion.

Possession and ownership are not the same thing. What don't some of you get about that? If you are tending your plants with a pistol in your waist band, thats possession. If you have a gun hanging in a rack in the other room, thats ownership. There are no extra charges about owning a gun while committing a felony, they are all for possession of a firearm in commission of a felony. Not the same thing. Possession = On hand, on body, in backpack ect. Ownership = Not on you, but still owned by you.

Are there any lawyers here? Maybe we should email Norml, maybe they have an opinion on it.

Also, once again, this was more about why a lot of growers don't support other peoples rights to have guns because they don't think gun ownership should be allowed and how that is hypocritical since marijuana is looked at the same way by other people and yet we think that should be legal/less restricted, and not about legality of growing and having a gun. Serapios or whatever could of as easily said "But felons shouldn't have guns!" or "Shooting people with guns is illegal!" and it would of made about as much sense as an answer to my post.

You Americans and your obsession with guns. The rest of the world thinks you are just plain demented.
I have visited the US on various occassions, always had a good time, the women just LOOOOVE the way I talk (bonked a fair few) love Taco Bell, the only thing that scares me are the GUNS - reinforced by the bumper stickers worn by apparently total homicidal headcases.

Spanishfly said:

You Americans and your obsession with guns. The rest of the world thinks you are just plain demented.
I have visited the US on various occassions, always had a good time, the women just LOOOOVE the way I talk (bonked a fair few) love Taco Bell, the only thing that scares me are the GUNS - reinforced by the bumper stickers worn by apparently total homicidal headcases.

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so you would think twice about invading us then right? right...dont you have some bulls to chase or tomatoes to throw or something?

You Americans can keep your guns in my opinion... How do you guys deal with.. Well dealers? Surely they are all packing heat?! That would scare the shit out of me. Sure guns are "cool" and I guess I wouldn't mind owning one myself... But I don't trust other people, there are a lot of mental/retarded people out there who will blow your brains out haha.

On the other hand, marijuana doesn't really do much harm... It can't really kill or do others harm, While ownership of guns will make the death rate rise So not really the same thing at all.

I don't understand how America is all like wooo legal guns! But then marijuana is illegal... Surely weed is safer for all of us than guns. I mean in the wrong hands, guns mean MURDER. Sure we have "knife gangs" here but at least I can run away from them if i ever encounter one.

Also if a country ever wanted to "invade" America... I'm sure we would have plenty of guns issued haha. Invasion is for chumps anyway, these days we should be seeing the whole world as one entity, that would solve all our problems.

Then do not visit anymore.
We will not miss ya at all.
And we americans can not understand your willingness to be unarmed by your government and your peoples mentality towards guns.
Guns do not jump out of the holster and just shoot people..

ataxia said:

I don't know why anyone would call these statements false. It IS a state by state issue and YES in some states ( at least in mine) it's federal AND it's felony.
I'M NOT AGAINST GUNS. I KNOW PLENTY OF LEGAL SAFE OWNERS.
like the poster above said. get caught with 5 plants .... you can possibly get a misdemeanor. 5 plants and a gun. Felony and time for sure. Bitch is .. having that felony will prevent you from ever owning a firearm again. Bit of a catch 22. My gf wants a gun for our protection, but i won't have it. I figure if i get robbed. Good luck to em!! Let's see how far you make it with a 6 ft plant unnoticed in my neighborhood. I don't need the stress of extra jail time for having guns along with my plants.

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And that is the EXACT reason I stated at the begining of this thread that I will not own weapons.... To the guy that keeps saying possession and ownership are not the same, tell that to the police that will confiscate every firearm in the home if you are found to be trafficking or manufacturing marijuana. You always hear about assault rifles, sawed off shotguns, etc being firearms that are found at grow sights. Well guess what, those guns weren't being brandied about when the police arrived. They were found on the scene. Just as it a lb of prime bud were in your trunk of car, you don;t have a hold of it, but you are still in possession.

No Drama, we are finally on the same page, I think... Still not sure about your last sentence... If I'm ever charged, God forbid, they won;t find firearms to trump up charges against me. I'll be just a simple farmer, not some gun toting gangster that was a danger to my neighbors (because that is how it would be portrayed)