Why are my grows so slow?

Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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DeadHeadX said:
Some variety do better than others in cooler environments as well. Autos are better suited to cooler environments, which makes sense as the ruderalis comes from cooler regions than other variety. My autos are currently thriving and growing quickly in a fairly cool, basement envi, 67-73f with lights on, led, below 60 when off. Perhaps not ideal, but it already worked nicely the first go round and the current plants are doing even better.
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I have very similar temps in my basement in the northeast USA. I am not sure temps are the cause of your slow growth here. Whenever Ive seen slower growth it was either from a lack of good drainage or from trying to use containers that were too small for the desired plant size. What kind of container do you use?
Also you mentioned you add extra perlite which is good but in my exp with same ffof soil you use is that added ewc can make it kinda mucky. Adding what seemed like way too much perlite at the time helped a lot. It breaks down pretty fast too.
 
fatboyOGOF

fatboyOGOF

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i'm kind of new to LEDs and never thought about the temp when it was between 70 or 80ish. now i'll keep the grow room door closed to heat the girls up.

i've got the power!

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I prefer my home to be cool like 66 degrees. i'm a canadian living in phoenix. i miss the chill.
 
Reap911

Reap911

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jimbonorman said:
I'm still new to this so I could be wrong, but I feel like every time I check an organic grow out on growdiaries the plants are exploding by week 3 and my plants are always lagging behind, comparatively speaking. I'm currently running two photos and two autos and it pisses me off to see how fast some of these other autos perform. My method is to use FFOF (plus perlite, Myco and EWC) and top-dress every 3 - 4 weeks...so no liquid nutes.

I know I shouldn't compare and just be patient - my competitive side is saying wtf but my objective side is legit wondering if organic medium and slow release nutrients are always going to be slower than liquid salt-based nutes (even if they are also organic) -- is this just the way it is, or am I still doing something wrong?
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So bro the amount if factors to consider is immense. To give you a straight answer woild probably take a back an forth cinversarion that cover 3 to 6 months of you noting and sharing every single thing you do so that we can determine what you are doing right and what needs to be imprived on.

If you thought that mixing some soil together and adding some dry nutes was going to automarically give you pro results then I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but thats not going to be the case.

Behind every photo taken week in and week out, every Youtube video showing weekly progress and every guy showing you his amazing results is generally years of practise, research and plant techniques such as training, defolioation and good watering practises.

Other than enviromental conditions there is light intesity that needs to be dialled in, you have to get the biology in your soil working well together, your watering game needs to be on point ans honestly bro so much more.

Take a step back from the way you sre viewing this and realize it will be a work in progress, especially if you are going with gorwing in soil. If you wanted a quick and easy, hydro should have been the way you ventured.

If you stick with soil start to do research. Learn about rhe soil food web, each component that goes into that. Go check out Korean Natural Farming and how to make your own addititves. You need to learn about what bacteria you need in your soil tonget thr breakdown process of your materials going. Top dressing, cover cropping and good plant nutrition. Check out what you target ranges are for each nutrient and identify what they do for your plant. Look at natural pest and diseas control measures and include them in your process.

All of these factors play a role in your success and there are so much more to explore.

The truth here bro if you want to get good at the soil game, you need to get read up on your biology game. It sucks that these soil guys sell you the dream in a bag but rhe truth is that the top quality bud are grown but the giys who put in the work. There are no shortcuts in the world of organic cultivation.
 
jimbonorman

jimbonorman

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Reap911 said:
So bro the amount if factors to consider is immense. To give you a straight answer woild probably take a back an forth cinversarion that cover 3 to 6 months of you noting and sharing every single thing you do so that we can determine what you are doing right and what needs to be imprived on.

If you thought that mixing some soil together and adding some dry nutes was going to automarically give you pro results then I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but thats not going to be the case.

Behind every photo taken week in and week out, every Youtube video showing weekly progress and every guy showing you his amazing results is generally years of practise, research and plant techniques such as training, defolioation and good watering practises.

Other than enviromental conditions there is light intesity that needs to be dialled in, you have to get the biology in your soil working well together, your watering game needs to be on point ans honestly bro so much more.

Take a step back from the way you sre viewing this and realize it will be a work in progress, especially if you are going with gorwing in soil. If you wanted a quick and easy, hydro should have been the way you ventured.

If you stick with soil start to do research. Learn about rhe soil food web, each component that goes into that. Go check out Korean Natural Farming and how to make your own addititves. You need to learn about what bacteria you need in your soil tonget thr breakdown process of your materials going. Top dressing, cover cropping and good plant nutrition. Check out what you target ranges are for each nutrient and identify what they do for your plant. Look at natural pest and diseas control measures and include them in your process.

All of these factors play a role in your success and there are so much more to explore.

The truth here bro if you want to get good at the soil game, you need to get read up on your biology game. It sucks that these soil guys sell you the dream in a bag but rhe truth is that the top quality bud are grown but the giys who put in the work. There are no shortcuts in the world of organic cultivation.
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Love it - thanks for sharing. I agree 100%. While I'm annoyed at comparisons to better, more experienced growers, I fully understand and acknowledge that skill comes with time and experience. These girls have finally started to bush out so I'm not complaining...and I'm always learning something new with every grow.
 
Reap911

Reap911

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jimbonorman said:
Love it - thanks for sharing. I agree 100%. While I'm annoyed at comparisons to better, more experienced growers, I fully understand and acknowledge that skill comes with time and experience. These girls have finally started to bush out so I'm not complaining...and I'm always learning something new with every grow.
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I just thought about my post bro I honestly I apologize if I seemed a bit harsh. All I am trying to bring across is that cultivation away from 3part nutrients takes quite a bit of work. Its complex and definately an eye opener to just how much synthetics take away your need for all these aspects.

My best advice, take detailed notes of what you are doing. Look at the results from that appraoch and see where you can improve on that process. Document your changes and see the results that brings you. Look at your systems and their processes. Whats going on in the soil, whats going on in the plant and how do they come together. Then you can refine your approach by improving your knowledge on each component of each system and how they translates into better growing techniques.

The guys as the top are looking at these things on a microscopic level and using that to guide their hand so yeah man if you really get into it, you can do so much more in my opinion, with a Living Organic Soil that will give you a product that blowd your mind.

The growing becomes quite an obession when you get those fuller expressions from your plants. The taste, the smell, the highs. Everything just clean and smooth.
 
420 Garden

420 Garden

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Check out vpd.com get temps up to 78 to 82. What height are you lights? What are your lights dimmed at? I run sf4000 plus a king 256 for a total of 736 wall watts. I run mine at 20% for seedling at 32 inches away from plants. 60% in veg at 24 inches a d let the plants grow closer. In flower 80% at 18 inches. With that said, I run an ac infinity 8 inch inline venting outside.
 
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