WHO WROTE THE BIBLE AND IS IT TRUE

Ceepea said:
If we had reason to believe any of those things happened you might have an argument.

The fact that it's written in an old book does nothing to verify that those events actually happened any more than the books that tell the tales of Hercules and Odin are proof of their supposed powers.

They are myths.
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that's my point !...but sometimes you must fight fire with fire
 
thepenofareadywriter said:
Joh 14:12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greaterworksthan these shall he do; because I go unto my Father...don't see no works on this planet ...must be no believers
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He did not mean greater in the sense as preform miracles, if you read THE HOLY BIBLE you would know this is when Jesus Christ is about to go be crucified for mans sins, what Jesus means is people will go through more punishment, and more suffering to do less then he accomplished. Christ saved the world from eternity of hell fire. So some guy may be tortured for weeks and killed slowly for not telling some atheist, or pagan (because torturing and killing against GOD's laws) where they key is to some little girls room. He went through more pain, and his death accomplished less. But make no mistake there is nothing greater than the fact THE ALMIGHTY GOD willingly sacrificed his only beloved Holy Son so that the blasphemers, sodomites, murders, homosexuals, people who fornicate with animals, all that disgusting evil can live forever in a place one can't imagine, and just completely erase the fact one did these things, with a new perfect body unimaginable.
 
ghostdriver said:
He did not mean greater in the sense as preform miracles, if you read THE HOLY BIBLE you would know this is when Jesus Christ is about to go be crucified for mans sins, what Jesus means is people will go through more punishment, and more suffering to do less then he accomplished. Christ saved the world from eternity of hell fire. So some guy may be tortured for weeks and killed slowly for not telling some atheist, or pagan (because torturing and killing against GOD's laws) where they key is to some little girls room. He went through more pain, and his death accomplished less. But make no mistake there is nothing greater than the fact THE ALMIGHTY GOD willingly sacrificed his only beloved Holy Son so that the blasphemers, sodomites, murders, homosexuals, people who fornicate with animals, all that disgusting evil can live forever in a place one can't imagine, and just completely erase the fact one did these things, with a new perfect body unimaginable.
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just as I thought...the only thing you are inspired by is...yourself !
 
ghostdriver said:
He did not mean greater in the sense as preform miracles, if you read THE HOLY BIBLE you would know this is when Jesus Christ is about to go be crucified for mans sins, what Jesus means is people will go through more punishment, and more suffering to do less then he accomplished. Christ saved the world from eternity of hell fire.
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So some guy may be tortured for weeks and killed slowly for not telling some atheist, or pagan (OR CHRISTIAN) (because torturing and killing against GOD's laws) where they key is to some little girls room. He went through more pain, and his death accomplished less. But make no mistake there is nothing greater than the fact THE ALMIGHTY GOD willingly sacrificed his only beloved Holy Son so that the blasphemers, sodomites, murders, homosexuals, people who fornicate with animals, all that disgusting evil can live forever in a place one can't imagine, and just completely erase the fact one did these things, with a new perfect body unimaginable.
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Things punishable by death in the bible.... (CONT)
 
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  • Adultery (Leviticus 20:10-12, man and woman)
  • Lying about virginity. Applies to girls who are still in their fathers' homes, who lie about their virginity, and are presented to their husband as a virgin. The accused is guilty until proved innocent. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
  • The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (death by fire) (Leviticus 21:9)
  • Rape of a virgin who is engaged. If she is not engaged you only have to marry her and give her father 50 shekels. No mention is made of the girl’s opinion, and no punishment is specified for raping a single non-virgin female. (Deuteronomy 22:25)
  • Being the victim of rape, if one is an engaged female virgin and the rape occurs in a city. If it takes place in a field, the victim is spared because nobody would have heard her screams. (Deuteronomy 22:23-27) Presumably, virgins who scream for help inside a city will always be rescued.
  • Men practicing bestiality. (Both man and animal die). (Leviticus 20:15) [4]
  • Women practicing bestiality (Both woman and animal die). (Leviticus 20:16) [4]
  • Having sex with your father’s wife, as distinct from "your mother", as it was common practice for men at the time to have several wives. (both die) (Leviticus 20:20)
  • Having sex with your daughter-in-law. (Leviticus 20:30)
  • Incest with sister.(Leviticus 20:17) [5]
  • (for men): Sex with a man in the same manner as sex with women. Generally interpreted as male homosexuality. The text omits any mention of and punishment for female homosexuality. (Leviticus 18:22)
  • Marrying a woman and her daughter. They are all burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)
A couple of these demand that the "sinners" be burned to death rather than stoned — which was the more usual form of capital punishment. One can wonder why these crimes in particular merit this especially horrible fate.

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Religious laws
Parents and Children.
Violent and legal crimes
Deuteronomy 19:20 explicitly identifies that the purpose of this is deterrence. "The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing (malicious and false testimony by one man against another) be done among you." Presumably all the other death penalties are assumed to be for deterrence as well.
  • Ignoring the verdict of a judge – (or a priest!) (Deuteronomy 17:8-13).
  • Not penning up a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman. Both the animal and the reckless owner of the dangerous bull are to be put to death. (Exodus 21:29)
Things that don’t go anywhere else.
  • Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and children slaves.) (Deuteronomy 20:12-14)
Possible grounds for execution.
The following carry the punishment of being "cut off from his people". Some people seem to feel that this is the same as the death penalty, although the ancient Israelites may simply have interpreted it as exile.

 
God has (estimated) killed over 22,000,000 people. Over 2,000,000 confirmed.

Satan has killed.... wait for it..... 10.

The over 2,000,000 doesn't include victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc.,
 
Ceepea said:
God has (estimated) killed over 22,000,000 people. Over 2,000,000 confirmed.

Satan has killed.... wait for it..... 10.

The over 2,000,000 doesn't include victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc.,
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maybe satan wrote the bible. god does come off as a dick. just sayin'. numbers be numbers
 
Ceepea said:
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Religious laws
Parents and Children.
Violent and legal crimes
Deuteronomy 19:20 explicitly identifies that the purpose of this is deterrence. "The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing (malicious and false testimony by one man against another) be done among you." Presumably all the other death penalties are assumed to be for deterrence as well.
  • Ignoring the verdict of a judge – (or a priest!) (Deuteronomy 17:8-13).
  • Not penning up a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman. Both the animal and the reckless owner of the dangerous bull are to be put to death. (Exodus 21:29)
Things that don’t go anywhere else.
  • Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and children slaves.) (Deuteronomy 20:12-14)
Possible grounds for execution.
The following carry the punishment of being "cut off from his people". Some people seem to feel that this is the same as the death penalty, although the ancient Israelites may simply have interpreted it as exile.

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If you don't read the HOLY BIBLE in context you will never know what's inside, Those penalty's which include death is because at the time in the Old Testament Israel the tribe actually dwell with GOD, Hardly ever would anyone do any of these things, to have that punishment. Jesus Christ came to save us from that penalty and hell, the laws still apply but not the punishment by mankind, Jesus Christ stated this many times that we must forgive to be forgive, let him who is without sin throw the first stone sound familiar? Love your neighbor as yourself? . That was when Mosses was leading a group who dwell with GOD and fought Evil in war with the sword, GOD told them you must be HOLY for I am Holy. People destroy themselves with sin, GOD just delivers Righteous Judgement. If you think GOD is wrong and your smarter then GOD is.. Think who made you, Yeah GOD He has Power, He has Wisdom. No one has more wisdom, or power.
 
ghostdriver said:
If you don't read the HOLY BIBLE in context you will never know what's inside, Those penalty's which include death is because at the time in the Old Testament Israel the tribe actually dwell with GOD, Hardly ever would anyone do any of these things, to have that punishment. Jesus Christ came to save us from that penalty and hell, the laws still apply but not the punishment by mankind, Jesus Christ stated this many times that we must forgive to be forgive, let him who is without sin throw the first stone sound familiar? Love your neighbor as yourself? . That was when Mosses was leading a group who dwell with GOD and fought Evil in war with the sword, GOD told them you must be HOLY for I am Holy. People destroy themselves with sin, GOD just delivers Righteous Judgement. If you think GOD is wrong and your smarter then GOD is.. Think who made you, Yeah GOD He has Power, He has Wisdom. No one has more wisdom, or power.
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So you believe that at one time it was good and Godly to kill someone for what ceepea posted above?
 
ghostdriver said:
If you don't read the HOLY BIBLE in context you will never know what's inside, Those penalty's which include death is because at the time in the Old Testament Israel the tribe actually dwell with GOD, Hardly ever would anyone do any of these things, to have that punishment. Jesus Christ came to save us from that penalty and hell, the laws still apply but not the punishment by mankind, Jesus Christ stated this many times that we must forgive to be forgive, let him who is without sin throw the first stone sound familiar? Love your neighbor as yourself? . That was when Mosses was leading a group who dwell with GOD and fought Evil in war with the sword, GOD told them you must be HOLY for I am Holy. People destroy themselves with sin, GOD just delivers Righteous Judgement. If you think GOD is wrong and your smarter then GOD is.. Think who made you, Yeah GOD He has Power, He has Wisdom. No one has more wisdom, or power.
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Matthew 5:17
King James Bible
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 
MidwesternGro said:
So you believe that at one time it was good and Godly to kill someone for what ceepea posted above?
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IF your in Israel and GOD comes down after freeing you from slavery and killing the first born of your enemies, and sends a prophet to show the Pharaoh signs of the power of the LORD and GOD divides the red sea so you can cross and drops it on those who wish to kill you and your family. Are you saying it wouldn't be? GOD said NO what don't you understand? Now Jesus Christ taught us to go forth and forgive that we may be forgiven for this is the will of GOD now, someone strike you turn the other check. He without Sin throw the first stone. Love your neighbor as yourself
 
ghostdriver said:
IF your in Israel and GOD comes down after freeing you from slavery and killing the first born of your enemies, and sends a prophet to show the Pharaoh signs of the power of the LORD and GOD divides the red sea so you can cross and drops it on those who wish to kill you and your family. Are you saying it wouldn't be? GOD said NO what don't you understand? Now Jesus Christ taught us to go forth and forgive that we may be forgiven for this is the will of GOD now, someone strike you turn the other check. He without Sin throw the first stone. Love your neighbor as yourself
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Romans 1:26-32 states that God wants gay people murdered. Do you think we should murder gay people?

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 
If you don't read the HOLY BIBLE in context you will never know what's inside, Those penalty's which include death is because at the time in the Old Testament Israel the tribe actually dwell with GOD, Hardly ever would anyone do any of these things, to have that punishment. Jesus Christ came to save us from that penalty and hell, the laws still apply but not the punishment by mankind, Jesus Christ stated this many times that we must forgive to be forgive, let him who is without sin throw the first stone sound familiar? Love your neighbor as yourself? . That was when Mosses was leading a group who Had GOD save them from slavery, sent a prophet to show the powers of the LORD to Pharaoh so he would let them go, MANY TIMES and when he didn't he killed there firstborn children but not Israel's who worship him. Divides the Red Sea kills Pharaoh and a army. THE LIST GOES ON AND ON and he brings them to a land of good food and land. DO you think anyone was even close to thinking about doing those things and betraying GOD!!! knowing the punishment too!! Now God does not dwell in physical form on earth with a select few people and the Capital punishment of these law don't apply but the Laws of not to do these things do. So Jesus wasn't contradicting anything he was letting people know that these sexual abominations, murder, rape, blaspheme laws of the Sabbath unclean food laws apply. NOTE: (while the unclean food laws apply eating unclean food does not defile ones self) Also the Propheised about Jesus Christ. For this generation Jesus gave commands to LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, forgive so GOD will forgive you, if a man strikes you turn the other cheek. Don't even think about lusting at a women because that means your committing lust, some cases adultry. But we must also honor and follow the laws of the old testament but not the punishment laws for Israel but the laws regarding how to live, WE DO NOT LIVE IN ISRAEL.
 
MidwesternGro said:
Romans 1:26-32 states that God wants gay people murdered. Do you think we should murder gay people?

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Sir that sates that people who do homosexual things have a demon in them, and know what they are doing is worthy of death but still has pleasure in doing them. read it again.
 
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