White House Response to The New York Times Editorial Board's Call for Federal Marijuana Legalization

TheMan13

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Exactly! What is worse would be the inevitable headlines "Marijuana Legalization Leads To Law Enforcement Cutbacks"....

That would not be a popular headline to be responsible for as a politician. Sure individuals like ourselves would have the understanding that those resources were never needed in the first place, but social conservatives would have a very hard time swallowing that truth.
True, but if our society understood the lawfare game of "regulatory capture" coupled with the criminalization and seizures exploited by this prohibition scheme, things would be different. Losing their job seems a lot more obtainable and tolerable than holding them accountable for what they have done ...

 
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SmokeyDan

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nobody gives a shit "what you call addiction"

addiction is well defined, and you dont get to change that definition because you dont like the choices others make.

maybe Ricky Williams was a rasta and refused to give up his religious beliefs for a football contract.

maybe he was already feeling the effects of football's crippling punishment, and ddecided to quit while he was ahead.

maybe he was afraid he would be drafted by the Cleveland Browns or the Detroit Lions, and would rather work at Wendy's, cleaning up bucky's shit than live in either of those hellholes.

you just dont know.
I understand your point, but if you bothered to look for one second at the established meaning of addiction you would see I described it.

It is a mental issue, not a chemical dependence issue. If addiction had any thing to do with physical dependency to a chemical, 30 day rehab programs wouldn't have failure rates approaching 95% after one year.
 

TheMan13

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I believe Alcohol and Tobacco meet and top every definition of "addictive" the world over. ATFMJ :confused:
There is no need for the lawfare of parsing words here. Beyond any reasonable doubt there is/was absolutely no reason for marijuana to be criminalized as a Schedule I Controlled Substance ever period. Not on the grounds of addiction, not on the grounds of danger (never a death) and especially not on grounds of NO accepted medical use within the US today. This racket should be criminal, as it is far from nonviolent or victimless :!:
 
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Doer

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I've stopped several times for years at a time.

These are facts. I have never felt a craving for pot, I can take it or leave it. I took LSD long before pot. Cannabis, is just a good medicine for society. And I have been addicted to cocaine, alcohol, and opiates, serially.

So, I, in fact, do know what addictive is and ganja is not.

Any of you fools who think so, the DEA is hiring.
 
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Doer

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I understand your point, but if you bothered to look for one second at the established meaning of addiction you would see I described it.

It is a mental issue, not a chemical dependence issue. If addiction had any thing to do with physical dependency to a chemical, 30 day rehab programs wouldn't have failure rates approaching 95% after one year.
You are an idiot with no experience or cred.

Anybody here can put it down for a day, or a month to get a job or a year, just to see, like me.

Protip: Don't plop shit from your fingers. That is what the toilet is for.

Even the other assholes don't agree with your plop.

http://rehab-international.org/marijuana-rehab-guide/marijuana-rehab-statistics/
Marijuana rehab stats indicate that as many as 40% of people who enter some type of rehab facility will be successful in stopping their addiction to marijuana.
 
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SmokeyDan

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You are an idiot with no experience or cred.

Anybody here can put it down for a day, or a month to get a job or a year, just to see, like me.

Protip: Don't plop shit from your fingers. That is what the toilet is for.

Even the other assholes don't agree with your plop.

http://rehab-international.org/marijuana-rehab-guide/marijuana-rehab-statistics/
Marijuana rehab stats indicate that as many as 40% of people who enter some type of rehab facility will be successful in stopping their addiction to marijuana.
My percentages weren't limited to marijuana.

Still, your own source proves my point.

There IS addiction to marijuana.

And specific to marijuana, 60% return to active addiction.

Your stats don't give a time frame either.

Is it over life, a year, a month?

For such a hateful and condescending argument you made, it sure backed up a lot of what I said, without making any points to negate what I said.

And you're speaking to me about shit from fingers?
 

Dr Kynes

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I understand your point, but if you bothered to look for one second at the established meaning of addiction you would see I described it.

It is a mental issue, not a chemical dependence issue. If addiction had any thing to do with physical dependency to a chemical, 30 day rehab programs wouldn't have failure rates approaching 95% after one year.
addiction
Use Addiction in a sentence
ad·dic·tion
[uh-dik-shuh
n] Show IPA
noun
the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.
Origin:
1595–1605; < Latin addictiōn- (stem of addictiō ) a giving over, surrender. See addict, -ion

cannabis is NOT addictive. quitting weed causes NO TRAUMA.

some people develop a psychological dependence on weed, but you can develop a psychological dependence on jerking off, wearing hats, or shitting on the floor of a Wendy's bathroom.

qutting a psychological dependence does NOT cause trauma, by any stretch of the imagination.

if you feel you are "addicted" to weed, and cannot stop, then you are a weak minded fool, and are making excuses.

"rehab" is not an example of anything, nor does the success of "rehab" prove or disprove any claim.

most people go to rehab because OTHER people want them to go, such as the courts, family, employer, etc, usually under threat of reprisal.
anyone who actually WANTS to quit any drug, even powerfully addictive ones like heroin, tobacco or booze, CAN do so, and their success is determined by their strength or weakness, not their "rehab".

people who go to rehab because it was either that or jail, rarely quit using their drug of choice, just as teenagers will continue to drive like idiots, no matter how many tickets they get, until they either grow up or wrap their shit around a telephone pole.

driving like an idiot isnt an addiction either.
 

Red1966

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Most marijuana enthusiasts often confuse addiction with physical dependency.

The physical dependency properties of marijuana are small and negligible.

But marijuana can certainly be addictive.

I would call addiction inability to stop despite severe consequences for failing to do so.

Exhibit A: Ricky Williams, running back for University of Texas then the Miami Dolphins.

He threw away a multi million per year career to smoke weed.

That is the decision of an addict.
Or just really stupid. Same for that swimmer whose name I don't recall.
 

Dr Kynes

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WASHINGTON, DC—In a surprise announcement with wide-ranging implications for U.S. narcotics policy, Drug Enforcement Administration director Thomas Constantine acknowledged Monday that some winners "may occasionally" use drugs.


DEA head Thomas Constantine, testifying before Congress.

"Apparently," said Constantine, addressing reporters at Justice Department headquarters, "contrary to the DEA's long-standing conviction, drug use may not be limited solely to the domain of losers. It appears that some successful Americans have experimented with illegal narcotics, as well."

The announcement was the result of a comprehensive three-year DEA study of more than 40,000 U.S. winners, including thousands of successful business executives, doctors, lawyers, scientists and civic leaders. The study, originally designed by the DEA to help shed light on the qualities shared by winners that make them resistant to drugs, instead revealed that over 71 percent of winners had at one time or another experimented with controlled substances.

Constantine said that it remains unclear why winners, who enjoy successful, productive careers and feelings of love and acceptance from their families, would choose to engage in drug use.

"Time and time again, DEA tests have shown that no feeling you could get from drugs could be better than the great feeling you get from being a winner," Constantine said. "Why a heart surgeon, an architect or a straight-A student would use drugs when his senses are already enormously heightened by the 'high' that comes from being a winner is beyond me."

Making drug use by winners all the more puzzling, Constantine said, is the fact that winners are more than strong enough to resist the peer pressure associated with drug use, do not need to get high to escape from a terrible life, and do not associate with the sort of people most likely to use drugs—namely, losers.

DEA scientists said it also remains unclear how drug-using winners have managed to avoid addiction and the many well-known destructive side-effects of controlled substances.

"Winners seem to have an unknown quality that enables them to use drugs and keep on winning," DEA head researcher and narcotics expert Howard Tobin said. "It goes against everything we know about drugs, but many of the drug-taking winners we studied did not, in fact, become losers. They did not lose control of their lives, nor did they lose their loved ones, their jobs, their homes, or their physical or mental well-being. There is clearly something at work here that we still do not understand."

Tobin cited the five-time Super Bowl champion Dallas Cowboys as a good example of winners who achieved greatness while engaging in frequent recreational drug use.

"In 1993 and 1994, the Cowboys clearly were winners, trouncing the Buffalo Bills—a team with no drug-users on its roster, mind you—in two straight Super Bowls by a combined score of 82 to 30," Tobin said. "It's puzzling, to say the least."

One winner, Cupertino, CA, neurosurgeon Richard Frankel, a devoted family man and casual marijuana smoker, said that the DEA should not necessarily be surprised. "I find that a little pot every now and then really helps me relax," he said. "When you consider that marijuana is less addictive and less harmful than both nicotine and alcohol, it shouldn't be all that surprising that I, like so many of my esteemed and accomplished colleagues, choose to smoke up occasionally."

As a result of the study, the DEA has been forced to change many of its anti-drug awareness campaigns. On Tuesday, the agency ordered the recall of more than 150,000 U.S. video arcade games displaying anti-drug messages, including 27,000 Mortal Kombat II and N.A.R.C. units, which will be reprogrammed with an altered on-screen message from former FBI director William Sessions, "Very Few Winners Use Drugs."

~http://www.theonion.com/articles/dea-chief-winners-occasionally-use-drugs,971/
 

UncleBuck

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dont you feel good that The Brahmin In Cheif is using your tax dollars to fund this bullshit and to pay his lying, sack of shit mouthpieces to repeat his absurd beliefs?

Choomboy has decided that "Drugs are bad, MMM'kay!" and is using our own money to push his propaganda down our throats.

apparently when Barry Seotoro smokes weed, thats OK, cuz he is so strong willed and wise, he can handle it, but the rest of us are too weak to restrain ourselves.

he really does think he is better than the rest of us.
that's obvious satire you fucking retard.

at least you got a like from the forum's foremost white supremacist though.
 

SnapsProvolone

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... Two recent studies by the nonpartisan RAND Institute suggest that policies making drugs more available would likely not eliminate illicit sales or increase tax revenues to the extent that marijuana legalization advocates predict. The first study examined various methods of measuring marijuana use and found that people under 21 account for a substantial share of marijuana consumption. Under most legalization schemes those under 21 would not be able to purchase marijuana legally; therefore, they would continue to turn to the grey market of illicit or diverted legal marijuana to obtain the drug. The second study examined the likely impact of California’s 2012 initiative to legalize marijuana use and concluded that dramatically lowered prices for marijuana as a result of legalization could mean substantially lower potential tax revenue for the state.
So the second study seems to indicate an inherent willingness to overlook the implications of the first, provided they get paid phat.
 

desert dude

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"We can't end the war on drugs, there is too much money in it." Hillary Clinton.

"What, at this point, does it matter?" Hillary Clinton.

"I love the salty taste of Kenyan gonads in the morning." Unclebuck.:bigjoint:
 

SmokeyDan

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addiction
Use Addiction in a sentence
ad·dic·tion
[uh-dik-shuh
n] Show IPA
noun
the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.
Origin:
1595–1605; < Latin addictiōn- (stem of addictiō ) a giving over, surrender. See addict, -ion

cannabis is NOT addictive. quitting weed causes NO TRAUMA.

some people develop a psychological dependence on weed, but you can develop a psychological dependence on jerking off, wearing hats, or shitting on the floor of a Wendy's bathroom.

qutting a psychological dependence does NOT cause trauma, by any stretch of the imagination.

if you feel you are "addicted" to weed, and cannot stop, then you are a weak minded fool, and are making excuses.

"rehab" is not an example of anything, nor does the success of "rehab" prove or disprove any claim.

most people go to rehab because OTHER people want them to go, such as the courts, family, employer, etc, usually under threat of reprisal.
anyone who actually WANTS to quit any drug, even powerfully addictive ones like heroin, tobacco or booze, CAN do so, and their success is determined by their strength or weakness, not their "rehab".

people who go to rehab because it was either that or jail, rarely quit using their drug of choice, just as teenagers will continue to drive like idiots, no matter how many tickets they get, until they either grow up or wrap their shit around a telephone pole.

driving like an idiot isnt an addiction either.
Cigarette are widely regarded to be addictive yet meet none of your criteria and are probably the best analog to weed addiction.

Not all substances cause a severe addiction. Not everything is crack or meth.

But the folks who get paid big money after studying this tell us weed is indeed addictive.

You appear to be not so well read on this subject and only form an an opinion on weed addiction that suits your personal views on the subject.
 

Dr Kynes

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Cigarette are widely regarded to be addictive yet meet none of your criteria and are probably the best analog to weed addiction.

Not all substances cause a severe addiction. Not everything is crack or meth.

But the folks who get paid big money after studying this tell us weed is indeed addictive.

You appear to be not so well read on this subject and only form an an opinion on weed addiction that suits your personal views on the subject.
ORLY?

somebody never tried to quit smoking cigarettes.

nicotine addiction is quite powerful, and it DOES cause physical trauma when you quit.

NO study (except those sponsored by the DEA and the ONDCP) have found that cannabis causes any physical dependence.

"marijuana addiction" is a myth perpetuated by idiots like you and nancy grace to explain why anyone who disagrees must be poisoned by the Assassin Of Youth, or in the pocket of "Big Marijuana" or some other such claptrap.

cannabis has NO addictive properties beyond "good feels" which can be HABIT FORMING, which is completely different from addiction.

similar "good feels" can be gained by natural endorphin highs from exercise, fucking, eating chocolate, etc etc etc, and none of those are considered addictive.
 
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