When Does Life Begin ...

I knew a girl who her doctor told her "abort this baby or Lupis will kill you", her man talked her out of the abortion and guess what, she died. The baby died with her. Guess that really made fucking sense didn't it?

You talked about this one already... this girl you knew was stupid as fuck, and capable of making her own decisions, regardless of this man. If she was intelligent at all she would have done what she Wanted to do.

I've known men who were all about wanting a baby until the baby was born, then they felt neglected by their woman so they hit to road to find a woman that didn't spend all her time with the baby.

One of my best friends Mom left his dad because his dad spent too much time with his children, not enough time with her partying. he takes care of their children, and the daughter she had with somebody else. What you wrote is obviously sexist crap.

I know one guy that wanted to marry a woman but she had 2 kids from a former marriage, that stupid bitch actually put her kids up for adoption and married the loser. Then she turned around and had 2 kids for him. Wouldn't you think that if you are "tired" of your current children and give them up that you really shouldn't be allowed to have anymore children?

It was her right, and her stupidity to give up her children. My wife had a daughter with another person, that daughter is my daughter too, from the first time that I looked into the Ocean inside of her eyes.... from the first time she called me "Papa" in that sweet sing song voice, I have loved her and wanted nothing but to be the best person I can for her. I don't think it is right to take decision making powers like having children, away from anyone. your last sentence there is just like saying, "after putting up a child for adoption you should have to get your tubes tied", and that makes you ignorant and condescending.

Just because a person is physically able to give birth doesn't mean they have any business being a parent.

Every person has the God given right to be parent to a child. Most people these days in my own personal opinion aren't cut out to be good parents.... but I am not going to say they shouldn't have the right to have children. If it is shown that they truly are unworthy of raising a child, then there are policies and laws that establish the means for the child/children to be placed somewhere appropriate for them.

I wonder, do you think it would have been better for that little missing girl in Florida to have been aborted, or was it better for her to be 3 years old and have her mom kill her and hide her body?

I think that is really sad. I also think that is unpredictable, especially before birth. I think you would have to an idiot to use this as a reason to validate abortion (AND Let Me Insert Here Again That I Believe its the Right Of the Mother To Choose Whether or Not to Have an Abortion).

Is it better to abort the baby, or give birth to it and leave it in a hot car on a summer day to die? You read about that shit every day. I don't buy that "accident" bullshit either. I raised 2 kids and never once forgot either one of them anywhere.

I don't read about things like that every day, I wouldn't be able to unless I went and looked for stuff like that. Yeah its going on everywhere.... but there are 6,000,000,000 people in the world, shit happens. I forgot my daugter was outside the house playing yesterday.... for about ten minutes, and I am more than sure you have slipped up like that too (I live in the mountains on five acres, she can be outside by herself).

Maybe it's better to give birth and then throw the baby in a dumpster, see a lot of that shit these days as well.

That has been on of your only good points. And it happens for a lot of different terrible reasons.

Yes abortion may be evil, but let's face it, "adults" do way worse things to kids every day.

Abortion is not evil. It has been practiced for thousands of years. Everything in life is circumstantial....

that last post of yours seems to be just you trying to justify your sexism... to us? Or to yourself?

are you trying to justify your ingrown penis to us or to yourself.?

misshestermoffitt said:

are you trying to justify your ingrown penis to us or to yourself.?

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There we go. .... hehehehe.... lol..... I am pointing out the facts that make your arguments worthless, showing them to be sexist in nature, and giving you a hard time for it, because you deserve it, because you have badgered a lot of people to include me, when all I did was try to post my personal opinion when it was asked for, and then explain my reasoning when you attacked my views, as well as the rest of the male sex. I could think of a lot better insults than that..... and easily sling them at you all day. But that would be immature. So I won't do that. Your done, you have lost any stance you had, simply in not having a rebuttal but an insult. Don't you know what Forensics and rhetoric is? You lost the argument for yourself there. , I thought you would. ... have a good day..... I don't think many people would care to hear your opinion on this matter anymore, I sure don't.

I do believe you resorted to personal insults before I did.

You did call me sexist before I pointed out your penial short-coming.

misshestermoffitt said:

I do believe you resorted to personal insults before I did.

You did call me sexist before I pointed out your penial short-coming.

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uh nope. I pointed out that you were making blatantly sexist remarks. That is not calling you a sexist, just commenting on what your remarks implied. Your remarks were insulting from the beginning, as you have done nothing but say horrible thing about men, and I am a man, and you said those things about men in general, which includes me, thus you were insulting me. See what I wrote about you is plainly true, I was simply pointing out the truth, and that I wasn't going to tolerate it anymore. What you have written as a personal remark towards me is not true in the least, nor is there any proof, as my wife will testify to the fact that you are wrong. You have already proven your inability to win this argument with me.... maybe some one else could have played it out right.... who knows.... but you blew your lid, like you have done many times before on this thread... why do you think people don't really post regularly in here anymore?

What are these horrible things? That they can just walk away and often do? That if they want a choice in the matter they should keep better track of their semen? That they really don't know how much a pregancy wrecks a female body from the inside out?

None of these things are horrible, they are truths. You apparently can't handle the truth. It would seem to me that you are embarressed to belong to the gender that tries to oppress the female gender.

Abortion is about men trying to control women. Sorry but it is what it is.

misshestermoffitt said:

What are these horrible things? That they can just walk away and often do? That if they want a choice in the matter they should keep better track of their semen? That they really don't know how much a pregancy wrecks a female body from the inside out?

None of these things are horrible, they are truths. You apparently can't handle the truth. It would seem to me that you are embarressed to belong to the gender that tries to oppress the female gender.

Abortion is about men trying to control women. Sorry but it is what it is.

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That was just fucking stupid... you will no longer get responses from me.

theloadeddragon said:

That was just fucking stupid... you will no longer get responses from me.

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Welcome to the club.

misshestermoffitt said:

I do believe you resorted to personal insults before I did.

You did call me sexist before I pointed out your penial short-coming.

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thats not an insult thats the truth. you ARE a sexist and calling white white is not an insult. Its just a fact. I can already tell from your pathetic responses that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, and that you are just backtracking trying to make yourself look a little less worse.

I didnt mean for this to turn out like this but you need to learn to not say shit like "it would be hard for anyone with a penis to understand". And there is only one way to do that.

you ARE a sexist.

misshestermoffitt said:

That they really don't know how much a pregancy wrecks a female body from the inside out?

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pregnancy does no such thing. maybe when you were preganant you ate like a whore sucks cock and now you are a fat bitch who is all pissed off at a man for dropping his seed in her.

I could see that, you clearly have issues.

misshestermoffitt said:

It would seem to me that you are embarressed to belong to the gender that tries to oppress the female gender.

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keep this attitude up and men will want to continue to opress women. You cant blame all your problems on men you know, you are just as fucked up as the rest of us. we are all human, black, white, male, female. get used to it.

misshestermoffitt said:

Abortion is about men trying to control women. Sorry but it is what it is.

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how? if you are going to make a ridiculous claim such as this then back it up. Because if we really wanted to control women we would still live like it was the 50's. When women had next to no power. How would you like that?
You claim to be this "older" woman but to me you just seem like a lost little girl.

I guess you are not old enough to remember when women didnt have rights. We have done all we can to give women their rights, and you are saying we are trying to control you. You are so out of this world it blows my mind.
We could make you all slaves (i am not saying it would be the right thing to do) to men with the flick of a switch, but we don't, so get off your high horse and come down here with the rest of us. Because you are no better than anyone, male or female.

chuckbane said:

pregnancy does no such thing. maybe when you were preganant you ate like a whore sucks cock and now you are a fat bitch who is all pissed off at a man for dropping his seed in her.

I could see that, you clearly have issues.



keep this attitude up and men will want to continue to opress women. You cant blame all your problems on men you know, you are just as fucked up as the rest of us. we are all human, black, white, male, female. get used to it.



how? if you are going to make a ridiculous claim such as this then back it up. Because if we really wanted to control women we would still live like it was the 50's. When women had next to no power. How would you like that?
You claim to be this "older" woman but to me you just seem like a lost little girl.

I guess you are not old enough to remember when women didnt have rights. We have done all we can to give women their rights, and you are saying we are trying to control you. You are so out of this world it blows my mind.
We could make you all slaves (i am not saying it would be the right thing to do) to men with the flick of a switch, but we don't, so get off your high horse and come down here with the rest of us. Because you are no better than anyone, male or female.

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I think womens rights are going too far in some area's as it is. I have been turned down for like 50 jobs for the "next young thang" that comes in the door, when I am a lot more qualified, and experienced, for the positions.

the tables have really turned on that.

I swear there is more public prejudice and hatred towards white people and men than ever. People think it's "okay" because it USED the be the other way around.

How many times do you think there has been a court case of a white man suing for discrimination due to race? slim to none... same with sexual harassment, abuse, and sexism towards males. Its a laugh because it never USED to happen that way and it was the exact opposite.

this "woman" misshestermoffitt, is hiding behind a wall throwing out insults. its pathetic. This thread is about abortion.

I know us guys are real hard done by, but c'mon gentlemen, you kinda seem to be enjoying this. Packs not cool.

theloadeddragon said:

I think womens rights are going too far in some area's as it is. I have been turned down for like 50 jobs for the "next young thang" that comes in the door, when I am a lot more qualified, and experienced, for the positions.

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Just an observation of the world today.

shimmer said:

I know us guys are real hard done by, but c'mon gentlemen, you kinda seem to be enjoying this. Packs not cool.

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I won't even talk about that person about these things any more... moved on, there are more productive discussions to take part in,

medicineman said:

Bullshit............... White men still get 20-50% higher salaries than a woman in most modern white collar jobs.

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Show your proof.

If you can't show proof of that allegation, then we can just chalk it up to another Left-Wing myth.


Vi

medicineman said:

Bullshit............... White men still get 20-50% higher salaries than a woman in most modern white collar jobs. The fairest place for a woman is blue collar or union, where women are paid dollar for dollar. I worked with about 200 men and about 15 women, all union. Everyone got the same per hr., and the women were treated with dignity. Now that's saying a lot for a bunch of surley truck drivers. Union Jobs protect the workers rights, man or woman.

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That is true for the most part. Women are getting into executive positions, and making good salaries etc. It just depends on where you work. Unfortunately, your right about women still getting shitty deals in work situations, especially for jobs that require particular skills. I believe women should be treated fairly across the board at the workplace, at home, everywhere. What I was commenting on was a lot of sales jobs, reception jobs, customer service jobs, public relations jobs etc. are being taken up by young attractive women that aren't even qualified for their positions, simply because they are young and attractive. Its not these young ladies that are the problem, its the piggy bastard horny managers HR etc. etc. that are to blame, Men, yep. Just not men like me.

ViRedd said:

Show your proof.

If you can't show proof of that allegation, then we can just chalk it up to another Left-Wing myth.


Vi

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The women in executive, administrative, management jobs that are not part of a union, that have piggy bosses, do get paid less than if a man was in the position. That is a fact. It doesn't happen every where, but it is fairly common.

theloadeddragon said:

The women in executive, administrative, management jobs that are not part of a union, that have piggy bosses, do get paid less than if a man was in the position. That is a fact. It doesn't happen every where, but it is fairly common.

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I remember this being a fact but i dont know if it still is.
I will however say that OVERALL men get paid higher to do the same work.

Things are changing quick over here though. I know MANY women who make more than their husbands.