HotNSexyMILF
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Didn't you say your mom was kinda a shyty mom Stoney or didn't care much or something? That coulda been someone else tho.. my memory is foggy..
When Does Life Begin ...
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Stoney McFried
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No, I just said it was obvious that motherhood was not her calling, lol.She wasn't the worst mom ever.She used to be very beautiful, and she must have had a hard time losing that attention.
theloadeddragon
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Women hide their feelings about things like this well, because its mostly no bodies business... at least most that I know do.
HotNSexyMILF
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Ah, that was it.. lol, I seriously wasn't trying to be insulting or anything-
I seriously wonder if there is a maternity gene or something- it seems women who never desired motherhood are the ones unaffected by the thought of abortion. Just making some observations..
Stoney McFried
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You're probably onto something.But there is also more to being a woman than motherhood.
HotNSexyMILF
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Of course, but for many woman it seems this whole 'women equality' thing has lowered the pride and respect women get for being a mother as well as how it's viewed. I have a whole philosophy on the suppression of the feminine in society today, maybe I'll post it sometime..You're probably onto something.But there is also more to ebeing a woman than motherhood.
Stoney McFried
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It would be interesting to read.I'm not a real femme girl to begin with..or at least what society today thinks of as feminine.I like to open my own doors,I hate lifetime television and Danielle Steele,I don't wear dresses,I cuss like a sailor,and I can outsmoke a lot of guys.I can't do hair,I'm not too fond of shopping, and I have the world's hairiest ass.
chuckbane
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Wow, very sexist of you.
Its funny how the tables have really turned on that.
That will be the second instance of male prejudice I have read this week.
So I guess you are saying no male can understand what pregnancy means. In fact I know a lot of females who have deliberately gotten pregnant for all the wrong reasons.
How can you say a male can't understand what it means to have a living, growing human inside of them? We may never feel the physical sensation but I think any man with a decent head on his shoulders (there are many with "no" head [Vi....]) can understand how life altering a new birth will be.
There are a lot of people on this very thread who are breaking the fundamentals of a free and peaceful life for all, and you have just now become one.
Don't try to be righteous with prejudice. It doesn't work like that.
Sorry you got the flack but i was scanning back to my last post, which i cannot find, and saw your post... And like i said, this is now the second instance of male prejudice i have seen in print and "available to the public" this week...
SO i cant find my last post to argue off those anti-abort pricks because they post the same shit over and over again and fill the forums with gibberish, its pathetic. there is one meager argument for the side of the anti-abortionists that has been used over and over and is starting to grow old.
They think that if 200 people say the same thing it sounds more intelligent than 5 people saying multiple points. This is their mind set. you cant win this because they were programmed this way.
We do have the big one though.
Freedom.
The freedom to make our own choices.
Because we can.
Because we are intelligent humans.
Stand up and remind yourself everday.
"I am an intelligent human being. I am an intelligent human doing. I can make my own choices because I can distinguish right from wrong"
Why must you anti-abortionists ignore this? you think your way is right and it must be made the law because any woman that wants to have an abortion is mentally unstable.
You have no idea what is going on in her head, and I guarantee, if she clearly(while being in a clear state of mind, not being in labour, and to be assessed by a doctor) decides she no longer wants to have the child that child should not be born (unless mother agrees to proper foster care or adoption family).
If that child is forced to be born the mother will never put the love, and care to the full extent that is needed for a child to grow up right and not end up mentally unstable.
Forcing a woman to have a child will fuck some screws loose in her head, not to mention...
Freedom. Some of you need a better definition for that word.
for those of you who spread truth, peace and love
for anyone who gets in the way of usHotNSexyMILF
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"Why must you anti-abortionists ignore this? you think your way is right and it must be made the law because any woman that wants to have an abortion is mentally unstable."
You preach to miss about prejudice, yet you yourself prove your own in your post..
I don't think you've read any of the posts from 'anti-abortionists' then.. like 95% of the people in here against abortion don't even think it should be illegal, we just don't agree with it.
I stated it before, I'll state it again, I don't want to FORCE women to keep their children, I want society to get back to a point where women WANT to keep their children, and if they don't want children- they take up the responsibility to avert the pregnancy in the first place.
Pro-choice people always harp about freedom of choice.. yes, we believe in freedom of choice too, but that freedom isn't protected when it threatens another's freedom- that is where the debate is, when does life begin. If I were to kill someone point blank- that isn't freedom of choice.
This argument is pointless on so many levels because so many people feed into these stereotypes of what the other side believes, instead of just talking about things rationally and conversing to understand each other a little better..
I personally believe life starts in the womb- others may disagree, and that's fine. But stop lumping all people pro-life into some mold...
You preach to miss about prejudice, yet you yourself prove your own in your post..
I don't think you've read any of the posts from 'anti-abortionists' then.. like 95% of the people in here against abortion don't even think it should be illegal, we just don't agree with it.
I stated it before, I'll state it again, I don't want to FORCE women to keep their children, I want society to get back to a point where women WANT to keep their children, and if they don't want children- they take up the responsibility to avert the pregnancy in the first place.
Pro-choice people always harp about freedom of choice.. yes, we believe in freedom of choice too, but that freedom isn't protected when it threatens another's freedom- that is where the debate is, when does life begin. If I were to kill someone point blank- that isn't freedom of choice.
This argument is pointless on so many levels because so many people feed into these stereotypes of what the other side believes, instead of just talking about things rationally and conversing to understand each other a little better..
I personally believe life starts in the womb- others may disagree, and that's fine. But stop lumping all people pro-life into some mold...
tipsgnob
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do you a think when a man and woman do the same job a man should make more money....?
HotNSexyMILF
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Well of course not- that's not what I referring to with my comment though..
misshestermoffitt
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I don't see what is sexist about saying it's hard for someone with a penis to understand the trials of pregnancy. Unless you've done it, you can't really understand what it's like. Can someone, anyone, with a penis tell me exactly what it feels like to vomit with a full term baby inside you? How about how it feels to puke so hard with that full term baby inside you that you blow the blood vessels in your eyes wide open?
When I was young and my kids were young I was against abortion too. Now my youngest child is nearing the age of 21, my views have changed on the subject. I can't imagine the horror of a doctor telling me this late in life that I'm pregnant.
I'm married and have been for over 21 years. I'm not out whoring around (usually that is the mentality, if your pregnant and you don't want to be you MUST be some kind of whore or you are just too feeble minded to have used birth control). I know it's a shocker but sometimes birtrh control, is used because a baby isn't wanted but there are times when it fails.
Our kids are adults. I'm past the age where it is safe to bear children. I don't want anymore children. I don't see the point of someone my age giving birth to a Down's baby that is going to end up orphaned and alone in an institution. Like it or not when you give birth in your 40's it means you are in you 60's when they kid finally grows up. I don't know that many people that are pushing 70 that have the energy or the patience to care full time for someone with special needs.
When I was young and my kids were young I was against abortion too. Now my youngest child is nearing the age of 21, my views have changed on the subject. I can't imagine the horror of a doctor telling me this late in life that I'm pregnant.
I'm married and have been for over 21 years. I'm not out whoring around (usually that is the mentality, if your pregnant and you don't want to be you MUST be some kind of whore or you are just too feeble minded to have used birth control). I know it's a shocker but sometimes birtrh control, is used because a baby isn't wanted but there are times when it fails.
Our kids are adults. I'm past the age where it is safe to bear children. I don't want anymore children. I don't see the point of someone my age giving birth to a Down's baby that is going to end up orphaned and alone in an institution. Like it or not when you give birth in your 40's it means you are in you 60's when they kid finally grows up. I don't know that many people that are pushing 70 that have the energy or the patience to care full time for someone with special needs.
chuckbane
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like i said, we will never be able to feel the physical senssation of child birth but it should not be the physical sensation that should make you not want to have a child after you have one in you.
That has nothing to do with abortion at all.
You are talking about puking while being pregnant and i am talking about not wanting a child for reasons like not feeling you are ready, not feeling like you have the proper love to give a child, feeling like you do not have the proper stability (mentally, emotionally, financially..) to raise a child....
Either you are on the wrong forum or you have lost touch of what the thread is really about. I know Vi was fairly vague in the title, but what do you expect? he is a republican isnt he?
I hope this is a misprint because I am not against abortion at all. Or did you assume that because i am male?
then why are you fighting me?
i said something because you said something sexist. and that isnt right.
feeble minded? oh, sorry miss perfect. humans make mistakes, welcome to reality. wake the fuck up and smell the beans. you are blatantly calling people whores, people that could be really great people.
what the fuck does this have to do with anything??????
misshestermoffitt
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I didn't call people whores or feeble minded, I said that the general mentailty is these things. I've read more than once on this thread that "if you don't want kids, keep your legs closed" that means OTHER people are having the "whore" mentality. Learn to read and comprehend. I am on the side of those women who for whatever reason don't want pushed into raising a child they don't want.
theloadeddragon
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No, that means the safest sex is no sex. Plain and simple. If you don't want kids or diseases, don't have sex with one single person. that has nothing to do with being a whore, and people aren't saying it does either, accept for you. I have tolerated your sexist comments for too long! What about men that (to quote you yourself) "don't want pushed into raising a child they don't want"? We can't force a women to abort a child, but we can pay the child support when the women goes against our wishes and keeps it anyways? That's really fair, huh?
theloadeddragon
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Originally Posted by misshestermoffitt 
Our kids are adults. I'm past the age where it is safe to bear children. I don't want anymore children. I don't see the point of someone my age giving birth to a Down's baby that is going to end up orphaned and alone in an institution. Like it or not when you give birth in your 40's it means you are in you 60's when they kid finally grows up. I don't know that many people that are pushing 70 that have the energy or the patience to care full time for someone with special needs.
I know a lot of people that have down syndrom that lead healthy happy lives, and are grateful to be alive.... but then again, their parents didn't look down on these people as a disgrace or mistake either, they were properly loved.
Our kids are adults. I'm past the age where it is safe to bear children. I don't want anymore children. I don't see the point of someone my age giving birth to a Down's baby that is going to end up orphaned and alone in an institution. Like it or not when you give birth in your 40's it means you are in you 60's when they kid finally grows up. I don't know that many people that are pushing 70 that have the energy or the patience to care full time for someone with special needs.
I know a lot of people that have down syndrom that lead healthy happy lives, and are grateful to be alive.... but then again, their parents didn't look down on these people as a disgrace or mistake either, they were properly loved.
theloadeddragon
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Originally Posted by misshestermoffitt
I don't see what is sexist about saying it's hard for someone with a penis to understand the trials of pregnancy. Unless you've done it, you can't really understand what it's like. Can someone, anyone, with a penis tell me exactly what it feels like to vomit with a full term baby inside you? How about how it feels to puke so hard with that full term baby inside you that you blow the blood vessels in your eyes wide open?
It is sexist because your presentation implies very heavily that women are better than men for this, or at least that men are lesser for it. Also the fact that you would categorize things from the perspective of a man against that of a women during pregnancy.
It's like me saying: Its not sexist that I say someone without a penis wouldn't understand what it is like to go through a pregnancy with their partner. To watch the person they love with all their heart vomiting up nasty crap and bile while crying her eyes out and having an asthma attack, while my unborn child is inside of her. And it is possible for a person to know what vomiting with a child in your stomach feels like without ever getting pregnant. All you have to do is overdose on alcohol, and puke until the blood vessels pop after you drink a bunch of the charcoal they give you. That was posted on a sign in a maternity ward, warning men of what it feels like, and they quoted a patient in the sign too. The fact that your intoxicated plays into it too, because the nausea etc. is the same.
I don't see what is sexist about saying it's hard for someone with a penis to understand the trials of pregnancy. Unless you've done it, you can't really understand what it's like. Can someone, anyone, with a penis tell me exactly what it feels like to vomit with a full term baby inside you? How about how it feels to puke so hard with that full term baby inside you that you blow the blood vessels in your eyes wide open?
It is sexist because your presentation implies very heavily that women are better than men for this, or at least that men are lesser for it. Also the fact that you would categorize things from the perspective of a man against that of a women during pregnancy.
It's like me saying: Its not sexist that I say someone without a penis wouldn't understand what it is like to go through a pregnancy with their partner. To watch the person they love with all their heart vomiting up nasty crap and bile while crying her eyes out and having an asthma attack, while my unborn child is inside of her. And it is possible for a person to know what vomiting with a child in your stomach feels like without ever getting pregnant. All you have to do is overdose on alcohol, and puke until the blood vessels pop after you drink a bunch of the charcoal they give you. That was posted on a sign in a maternity ward, warning men of what it feels like, and they quoted a patient in the sign too. The fact that your intoxicated plays into it too, because the nausea etc. is the same.
theloadeddragon
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After reading your posts for several days, I am under the impression that this whole ordeal on this thread is really about something else that is very personal for you. You are venting a lot of pent up sexual aggression towards men here.