When Does Life Begin ...

theloadeddragon

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Tomorrow is my birthday. See how we celebrate birthdays here but not conception days? If I celebrated my conception day it would be closer to the end of January. So was I 41 in January or am I 41 tomorrow?

Anyone? Does that mean we should give teenagers a drivers license 9 months earlier on their conception day? Should we allow them to vote after their 18th conception day? How about drinking or military enlistment?

When push comes to shove, do you want your kid drafted after his 18th conception day, or do you want those 9 extra months making the military wait until his 18th birthday?
Birthdays are celebrated simply because that is when the child is introduced directly to the rest of the world. That is the day they become a member of society, and we celebrate them being a contribution and blessing themselves.
 

theloadeddragon

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Birthday celebrations are actually rooted in paganism.
The Encyclopedia Americana (1991 edition) states: �The ancient world of Egypt, Greece, Rome, and Persia celebrated the birthdays of gods, kings, and nobles.� Authors Ralph and Adelin Linton reveal the underlying reason for this. In their book The Lore of Birthdays, they write: �Mesopotamia and Egypt, the cradles of civilization, were also the first lands in which men remembered and honoured their birthdays. The keeping of birthday records was important in ancient times principally because a birth date was essential for the casting of a horoscope.�
So, there is a direct connection between the Pagan practice of birthday celebrations and astrology.(horoscopes and fotune telling)
Notice what the Bible says about astrology and fortune telling at Isaiah 47:13-15: "�You have grown weary with the multitude of your counselors. Let them stand up, now, and save you, the worshipers of the heavens, the lookers at the stars, those giving out knowledge at the new moons concerning the things that will come upon you. �Look! They have become like stubble. A fire itself will certainly burn them up. They will not deliver their soul from the power of the flame. There will be no glow of charcoals for people to warm themselves, no firelight in front of which to sit down. �Thus they will certainly become to you, with whom you have toiled as your charmers from your youth. They will actually wander, each one to his own region. There will be no one to save you."
Not surprisingly then, the ancient Jews did nt celebrate birthdays, regarding them as Pagan.
Also, The World Book Encyclopedia states: �The early Christians did not celebrate His [Christ�s] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone�s birth to be a pagan custom.��Volume 3, page 416.
 

Stoney McFried

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It worked for Broccoli Palin...or whatever her name is...
No, that means the safest sex is no sex. Plain and simple. If you don't want kids or diseases, don't have sex with one single person. that has nothing to do with being a whore, and people aren't saying it does either, accept for you. I have tolerated your sexist comments for too long! What about men that (to quote you yourself) "don't want pushed into raising a child they don't want"? We can't force a women to abort a child, but we can pay the child support when the women goes against our wishes and keeps it anyways? That's really fair, huh?
 

Stoney McFried

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We all know that abstinence, if applied correctly, is 100 percent effective.But what is this mentality that women are just for breeding?Why is it that you can't get sterilized unless you've had two kids?That's not a choice.So we all wait till we're 30 to experience love on an adult level because unless we shit out some children before then, we can't get our tubes tied?Seems like we're being forced by people of narrow mindsets to either accept our lot or be nuns, and that's bullshit.
 

theloadeddragon

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We all know that abstinence, if applied correctly, is 100 percent effective.But what is this mentality that women are just for breeding?Why is it that you can't get sterilized unless you've had two kids?That's not a choice.So we all wait till we're 30 to experience love on an adult level because unless we shit out some children before then, we can't get our tubes tied?Seems like we're being forced by people of narrow mindsets to either accept our lot or be nuns, and that's bullshit.
I am not one of those people... and I believe that you should be able to do what you want with your body so long as your not hurting anyone... and i would imagine getting your tubes tied would only hurt you, so I have absolutely no problem with it, or abortion, it is 100% your choice as far as I am concerned, and most people I associate with would agree. I have no mentality like you speak of.
 

Stoney McFried

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No, i wasn't saying you had that mentality, but there are folks who seem to in this world.It's not your fault we can't get our tubes tied before we have kids,lol.I was just ranting.:peace:
I am not one of those people... and I believe that you should be able to do what you want with your body so long as your not hurting anyone... and i would imagine getting your tubes tied would only hurt you, so I have absolutely no problem with it, or abortion, it is 100% your choice as far as I am concerned, and most people I associate with would agree. I have no mentality like you speak of.
 

theloadeddragon

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No, i wasn't saying you had that mentality, but there are folks who seem to in this world.It's not your fault we can't get our tubes tied before we have kids,lol.I was just ranting.:peace:
Oh.... O.K. ... sorry.... I have seen a lot of sex bashing on this thread... seen people getting pretty heated over this huge long debate.... Im not sure this thread is really going anywhere.... or rather, that it is really increasing good vibes....
 

Stoney McFried

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It's hard to guage the emotioon of a post.Type doesn't have inflection like a voice does.This thread is a debate.It does something cathartic.
Oh.... O.K. ... sorry.... I have seen a lot of sex bashing on this thread... seen people getting pretty heated over this huge long debate.... Im not sure this thread is really going anywhere.... or rather, that it is really increasing good vibes....
 

theloadeddragon

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It's cleansing.Screaming and fighting can be cleansing, because you get emotionally exhausted, and then are left in silence,to contemplate the truth as you see it.
ahh... come on... I was just trying to be funny.... I think purging may have been a more accurate description... as my first thought was of it actually making you want to take a shit... lol
 

Stoney McFried

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Yes, I considered saying purging, but thought you'd come back with another shit joke, lol.
ahh... come on... I was just trying to be funny.... I think purging may have been a more accurate description... as my first thought was of it actually making you want to take a shit... lol
 

misshestermoffitt

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Having the view that women should be the one to choose since they are the owners of the bodies that get wrecked due to pregnancy means I have "pent up sexual agression towards men"? Wow a bigger crock of shit I've never heard. It sounds to me like you are anti abortion because your penis is the size of my pinkie and it isn't evey day that you can even use that tiny little thing to have sex.

I've seen to many women who are in "that special relationship" that as soon as they become pregnant, the man walks away. No it didn't happen to me, but it doesn't make it right.

Men are free to walk away and they do, quite often. I've known women who were damn near suicidal because they couldn't afford the things their children needed because the man walked away and took his financial, emotional and mental support with him. No that didn't happen to me, but it doesn't make it right.

I knew a girl who her doctor told her "abort this baby or Lupis will kill you", her man talked her out of the abortion and guess what, she died. The baby died with her. Guess that really made fucking sense didn't it?

I've known men who were all about wanting a baby until the baby was born, then they felt neglected by their woman so they hit to road to find a woman that didn't spend all her time with the baby.

I know one guy that wanted to marry a woman but she had 2 kids from a former marriage, that stupid bitch actually put her kids up for adoption and married the loser. Then she turned around and had 2 kids for him. Wouldn't you think that if you are "tired" of your current children and give them up that you really shouldn't be allowed to have anymore children?

Just because a person is physically able to give birth doesn't mean they have any business being a parent.

I wonder, do you think it would have been better for that little missing girl in Florida to have been aborted, or was it better for her to be 3 years old and have her mom kill her and hide her body?

Is it better to abort the baby, or give birth to it and leave it in a hot car on a summer day to die? You read about that shit every day. I don't buy that "accident" bullshit either. I raised 2 kids and never once forgot either one of them anywhere.

Maybe it's better to give birth and then throw the baby in a dumpster, see a lot of that shit these days as well.

Yes abortion may be evil, but let's face it, "adults" do way worse things to kids every day.

Hell my father used to take my glasses away and then beat me bloody with a belt. Why did he do this? He was drunk, he had a bad day, he never wanted kids in the first place, maybe he was bored. I remember being in the 5th grade and having to change clothes in the locker room for the first time. The other girls pointed at my bruises and welts and made fun of me. That's when I started trying to kill myself.

Every fucking day for 8 damn years I had to listen to other people laugh and make jokes about bruises shaped like hand prints on my body. Large finger bruises on my arms, bloody lips. You name it, see this was back in the late 70s and early 80's when child abuse was against the law, but the law didn't enforce it. My brother and I used to go to the police station begging for help, the cops would say "it's a family problem, we can't get involved, you just have to go home a deal with it".

The looks on their faces are still emblazed on my brain and will be forever. They literally looked like they had been kicked in the balls by a ghost. Back then I didn't understand, today I do. The cops were more afraid of my father than I was. 2 of those cops are still cops here today. Neither one of them can look me in the eye even though it's been about 30 years since this all happened.

It just goes to show that not every childhood is happy. Sometimes children really shouldn't be born.





After reading your posts for several days, I am under the impression that this whole ordeal on this thread is really about something else that is very personal for you. You are venting a lot of pent up sexual aggression towards men here.
 

theloadeddragon

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"Having the view that women should be the one to choose since they are the owners of the bodies that get wrecked due to pregnancy means I have "pent up sexual agression towards men"? Wow a bigger crock of shit I've never heard. It sounds to me like you are anti abortion because your penis is the size of my pinkie and it isn't evey day that you can even use that tiny little thing to have sex."

This is exactly what I was talking about. I didn't say a womens body gets wrecked by pregnancy, ever, you did, and it sure isn't true either. I know too many completely healthy ladies that have had multiple children, like my wife for example (maybe thats your issue, you regret those periods of time that you were pregnant, and are ashamed to admit it?). My wife is more than satisfied with my penis, which I am sure is quite a bit bigger than your pinky, and I can use it just about every night and every morning... she asks me for it :-P.

I've seen to many women who are in "that special relationship" that as soon as they become pregnant, the man walks away. No it didn't happen to me, but it doesn't make it right.

Men are free to walk away and they do, quite often. I've known women who were damn near suicidal because they couldn't afford the things their children needed because the man walked away and took his financial, emotional and mental support with him. No that didn't happen to me, but it doesn't make it right.


A couple of my best friends that are guys are raising one to three kids by themselves because they were left by their wives, who took their financial, emotional, and mental support with them. Women are free to walk away and they do, quite often. I have my loving wife right here next to me, and sometimes I get damn near close to suicidal because we both sometimes are unable to afford the things we would like to give our children. No one is so broke they can't give their children what the NEED, that would be provided by the state. Its not right for any parent to abandon their child, women or men.

Hell my father used to take my glasses away and then beat me bloody with a belt. Why did he do this? He was drunk, he had a bad day, he never wanted kids in the first place, maybe he was bored. I remember being in the 5th grade and having to change clothes in the locker room for the first time. The other girls pointed at my bruises and welts and made fun of me. That's when I started trying to kill myself.

Every fucking day for 8 damn years I had to listen to other people laugh and make jokes about bruises shaped like hand prints on my body. Large finger bruises on my arms, bloody lips. You name it, see this was back in the late 70s and early 80's when child abuse was against the law, but the law didn't enforce it. My brother and I used to go to the police station begging for help, the cops would say "it's a family problem, we can't get involved, you just have to go home a deal with it".


I know of plenty of women that mistreat and beat their children. Many indeed, many drunk, tweaker mothers that are neglecting their children as well. So its not just men, but this does highlight another issue that would be good cause for your sexism. AND, any child in a situation like that, all they need do is meet a person such as myself. I don't stand for child abuse, if there is one thing that I get upset extremely quickly and easily about it is this, I Hate child abusers, and wouldn't mind breaking in the knee caps of them! Even back in the 70's and 80's the cops were able to do something about it, regardless of a family issue, assault and battery is assault and battery, period. You had some corrupt horrible cops. And if they did turn you away, you should have told your teachers etc. Some one would have beat your dads ass bad, like me. I would have the cops asses beat too. period.

It just goes to show that not every childhood is happy. Sometimes children really shouldn't be born.

many children born into situations like that get taken away from those parents, and are given something better (not better than wholesome families, but better than abuse and neglect). Many of those children lead happy productive lives, and because of what they went through when they were so young, they strive to fight against it. Many children lead unhappy childhoods, even in loving wholesome families, and then figure themselves out later and turn into happy people.


How about you try coming at me with some more bullshit, eh? Logic will trump your sexist anger.... and you are close to angering me as well.
 
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