What If ObamaCare is Found Constitutional

InCognition said:

If you don't believe me regarding the doctor issue, that's fine, but it doesn't mean you're correct. It just further proves my point that you don't know any doctors personally.

The doctor in my family continually has taken net-losses on people who just walk into his facility, of whom he cannot decline to service them. Believe it or not, this is what happens. Is it hard to believe that the same immorality is happening to the doctors as it is the patients?

I'm not seeking to justify anything.... In fact the only thing is seek is pummeling with those who justify immorality with immorality. Unfortunately those who think that justifying immorality with immorality, can't or refuse to logically view both sides of the fence in regards to most subjects.

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The doctors in my family tell me that you can send the bill to the state and write off the loss as a donation. So I guess my family members who are doctors cancel out yours. If your family members don't build loss into htier business model then they are stupid and deserve to fail.

The fact is that healthcare should simply not be a business. Law Enforcement is similar in my opinion. Take for example drug laws, do you think law enforcement agencies will approve of legalization when it costs them the opportunity to repossess cars and to seize moneys which they can use for new toys and recruits?

Turning healthcare into a business is just not ethical in my opinion and I think it is silly to debate that. Should your family member let the person die on the street in front of their medical practice? How would that look to potential customers with a corpse sitting out front? I would not go to a doctor with a corpse out front of his building which died from illness or injury. And don't say that someone should clean it up, your family member should. It is not right to have the taxpayers pay for cleaning services so your family member's business looks better than it is.

desert dude said:

So, why not a little extra cheese and a cherry on top. Why not pay for birth control pills for Sandra Fluke?

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We weren't paying for her birth control, you know that, right? She wanted the insurance she paid for to cover it as it is a reasonable cost.

Should health insurance cover cancer treatments and costs? If I have a moral objection to your chemotherapy as it is interfering with a part of God's plan for your life, should health insurance providers not have to pay for it? What about injuries? If a policeman gets shot on the job, should I have to pay for it as it is God's plan for that officer to get shot. What about medicine used to treat these injuries like pain medication or bandages? I find the use of chemicals to sterilize medical instruments offensive to my religion, which says that all life from the human to the little germ or AIDS virus is sacred, and to pay for cleaning solutions offends me. How far do we take it?

londonfog said:

what about people who refuse to be labeled ?????

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Hmm, tough call. My ruling is that you live with the labels you earn by thought, word and action, and you don't get to write your own labels.

desert dude said:

Who the fuck needs libraries when we have google, a private enterprise?

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Communists like Glenn Beck would be angry. Why didn't the Founding Fathers Thomas Jefferson and John Adams just use Google rather than establish the Library of Congress in the late 1700's and early 1800's. I am sure that the idea of everyone being equal and having access to knowledge is a great one and an idealistic one which seems to further the common good.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html

Scrotie Mcboogerballs said:

That's too bad . . . I know plenty of loose sluts who would've done it for fun lol

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I bet they are all Democrats.

Toorop said:

We weren't paying for her birth control, you know that, right? She wanted the insurance she paid for to cover it as it is a reasonable cost.

Should health insurance cover cancer treatments and costs? If I have a moral objection to your chemotherapy as it is interfering with a part of God's plan for your life, should health insurance providers not have to pay for it? What about injuries? If a policeman gets shot on the job, should I have to pay for it as it is God's plan for that officer to get shot. What about medicine used to treat these injuries like pain medication or bandages? I find the use of chemicals to sterilize medical instruments offensive to my religion, which says that all life from the human to the little germ or AIDS virus is sacred, and to pay for cleaning solutions offends me. How far do we take it?

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Unless you are a slave or supporter of slavery then the answer to your questions should be- NO
No you shouldn't Have to pay-
If you don't want it or agree with it or want it or use it or choose to then you should not HAVE TO pay

Toorop said:

We weren't paying for her birth control, you know that, right? She wanted the insurance she paid for to cover it as it is a reasonable cost.

Should health insurance cover cancer treatments and costs? If I have a moral objection to your chemotherapy as it is interfering with a part of God's plan for your life, should health insurance providers not have to pay for it? What about injuries? If a policeman gets shot on the job, should I have to pay for it as it is God's plan for that officer to get shot. What about medicine used to treat these injuries like pain medication or bandages? I find the use of chemicals to sterilize medical instruments offensive to my religion, which says that all life from the human to the little germ or AIDS virus is sacred, and to pay for cleaning solutions offends me. How far do we take it?

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She is a student at Georgetown University, a catholic Jesuit institution. Does the catholic church have a right to determine its own religious beliefs?

desert dude said:

I have decided to honor our president's historic victory today, so I am not going to respond with retaliation to insults from my liberal betters today. So all of you left-wing guys, and gals if there are any, get a free shot at me with no threat of reprisal. This is a one day only pledge and does not extend to conservatives or libertarians.

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Way to veil insults while you eat crow. As I argued pro-ppaca on the grounds of it's constitutionality and it's merits, I spoke not of my opinion of it's ills. Despite that your humility is feigned, I'll observe and credit it. There is no merit in forcing someone into that which they would refuse, even if the refusal is misguided. This is too great a price, even if it makes the country a better place. I am aware this is what you have argued all along, aside from your opinions of the merits of ppaca, which I have largely disagreed with. I hope that ppaca can evolve such that it satisfies us both.

It isn't like cops have to pay for insurance anyway though...

desert dude said:

She is a student at Georgetown University, a catholic Jesuit institution. Does the catholic church have a right to determine its own religious beliefs?

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health care is between a patient and a doctor, not a patient, a doctor, and a priest or employer.

Toorop said:

Communists like Glenn Beck would be angry. Why didn't the Founding Fathers Thomas Jefferson and John Adams just use Google rather than establish the Library of Congress in the late 1700's and early 1800's. I am sure that the idea of everyone being equal and having access to knowledge is a great one and an idealistic one which seems to further the common good.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html

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Pretty sure Google was not around during the founding father's days.

JustAnotherHead said:

I bet they are all Democrats.

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No. Most of them are super stuck up bitches who follow their daddy on every lil' thing he says on politics. So in a way they are the truest form of puppets. Don't think for themselves and love to be fisted. lol fucking republicans . . .

UncleBuck said:

health care is between a patient and a doctor.

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Not any more

OOH! that reminds me, who loves being fisted? sock puppets! it's a great way to break the ice . . . just saying.

NoDrama said:

LOL Guys with HUGE dicks don't get laid nearly as much as those of us with just plain big ones. I know this for a fact as I used to hang out with a fella who had a baby arm and most women wouldn't touch it for fear of the pain.

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That may be, pffft whatever... I still wouldn't have it any other way though!


"I learned a long time ago there's no sense getting all riled up every time a bunch of idiots give you a hard time. In the end, the universe tends to unfold as it should. Plus I have a really large penis.That keeps me happy." -Tarik

abandonconflict said:

Way to veil insults while you eat crow. As I argued pro-ppaca on the grounds of it's constitutionality and it's merits, I spoke not of my opinion of it's ills. Despite that your humility is feigned, I'll observe and credit it. There is no merit in forcing someone into that which they would refuse, even if the refusal is misguided. This is too great a price, even if it makes the country a better place. I am aware this is what you have argued all along, aside from your opinions of the merits of ppaca, which I have largely disagreed with. I hope that ppaca can evolve such that it satisfies us both.

It isn't like cops have to pay for insurance anyway though...

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I made a pledge and I will stick to it. Thank you, AbandonConflict, for my deserved admonishment.

UncleBuck said:

he's 14 years old, he said so yesterday. he gets to stay on mom and dad's healthcare plan for 12 more years.

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Oh the irony of it all.

The fact is that we could easily take the $160 Billion figure given above, which I am not so sure is accurate, out of the Defense Department budget and we would be A-OK.

desert dude said:

She is a student at Georgetown University, a catholic Jesuit institution. Does the catholic church have a right to determine its own religious beliefs?

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Religious beliefs are distinct from healthcare policy, unless you're a Christian Scientist or some such. cn

justanotherhead is up to 4 threads now, which is a fail safe indicator of increased obama derangement syndrome.

UncleBuck said:

health care is between a patient and a doctor, not a patient, a doctor, and a priest or employer.

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As promised, I can't disagree with you today, but I will point out that Georgetown did not forbid her from buying and using contraceptives, Georgetown simply refused to be part of the transaction.

desert dude said:

Pretty sure Google was not around during the founding father's days.

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Well then they were stupid for not seeing such a lucrative business opportunity. I would be willing to bet that the people who created google and other major software icons used to go to the library. When I was growing up in the 80s-90s (I was born in 1981) we had computers at the library and at our public schools. Only later when I got older did computers become so common. I would be willing to bet that for the google founders Larry Page (born in 1973 in Michigan in the USA) and Sergey Brin (also born in 1973 in the USSR) and who attended public universities before going on to Stanford, did not have computers like they did today. Would you be willing to bet that the public universities and the public schools, especially in a socialist nation like the USSR, were a benefit to them?