What has Trump done to this country?
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hanimmal
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How long before the 'censoring' 'cancel culture' snow flaking begins?
DIY-HP-LED
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America needs to have a discussion about this topic and set some parameters, expand FCC regulation and regulate large social media platforms like broadcasters.
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Violence at Capitol and beyond reignites debate over America's defense of extremist speech - CNN
Violence at Capitol and beyond reignites a debate over America's long-held defense of extremist speech
(CNN)With most Americans hoping this week's expected inauguration protests look nothing like the Capitol siege, questions emerge about unrestrained free expression, long championed by First Amendment theorists as a benefit to society, no matter how ugly and hateful.
The optics may be disturbing, especially so soon after the riot, with the potential of protesters -- many of like mind with those who stormed the Capitol -- screaming, or worse, at troops and police standing guard outside the razor wire-topped fences surrounding the Capitol.
Is allowing this type of expression "good" for America? An old First Amendment theory -- known as the safety valve -- says it is, that permitting groups to express themselves releases pressure, ensuring objectionable ideas aren't driven underground where they might boil over into violence.
Permitting free speech, including hate and extremist speech, is often cast as a universal boon, reinforced in idioms such as, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" and "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it."
Not all First Amendment scholars are buying the safety valve theory, especially after the deadly episode at the Capitol. They question if extremist speech demands more limitations when it's inextricably linked to the violence at the nation's legislative headquarters, after hateful online rhetoric dovetailed with politicians and activists delivering speeches to revved-up crowds that marched to the Capitol, some bent on insurrection.
Even the American Civil Liberties Union, the consummate guardian of speech, has sought to address the "competing values" its long-held defense of expression presents, and some experts say free speech theories need to take into account the way social media has been used to manipulate the marketplace of ideas.
"We have to pay attention to the way that tech platforms are shaping discourse and the way technology moves fringe ideas into the mainstream," said Joan Donovan, research director at Harvard's Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy. "The idea we would somehow get out of it by not paying attention to what's going on and opening the floodgates to more speech misunderstands the phenomenon of online platforms and misunderstands the technology."
'Protection against ... noxious doctrine'
Ahead of President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration, government and corporations are taking measures to avoid the violence that marred his Electoral College affirmation. Thousands of troops and police will be on hand, and companies including Apple, Google, Amazon, Twitter and Facebook are deplatforming and banning users, including President Donald Trump, while corporations such as PayPal and Airbnb are temporarily blocking resources, such as fundraising venues and places to stay.
Some of those targeted are crying censorship, but the First Amendment protects against government, not private organizations, stymieing expression. Big Tech and others, several scholars say, are correct to shut down extremist speech after seeing the role words on their platforms played in planning and stoking the Capitol mayhem.
The concept that would become the safety valve theory was born with US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis' 1927 concurring opinion in Whitney v. California. He posited "that without free speech and assembly discussion would be futile; that with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine."
Four decades later, renowned First Amendment scholar Thomas Emerson named the theory, writing that "suppression of belief, opinion and expression is an affront to the dignity of man, a negation of man's essential nature."
Robert Richards, founding director for the Pennsylvania Center for the First Amendment at Penn State, believes the safety valve theory has relevance in today's censorship discussions, he said, but he's not sure it's at play here, yet, given the timeframes, who's shutting down the speech and the other available avenues for expression.
Rather, he sees the corporations responding in a temporary manner to an emergency situation, "exigent circumstances that threaten to play out again," he said. Yes, shutting down speakers over time carries risks their behavior will "bubble up in some worse fashion," but there's no indication the corporate measures are permanent. They're narrowly tailored to specific speakers, apps or windows of time, he said.
"The main difference (between corporations and government shutting down speech) is the private sector can make its own rules," he said. "Going forward, those restrictions will ease up as the temperature of the country's politics goes down. ... I don't really think there's a lot of permanent ending of speech."
A far better example of the safety valve theory is the Arab Spring, Richards said. Citizens rose up across the Middle East and Africa -- to spur reform and regime change, not question a legitimate election -- but their anger reached critical mass after years of systemic oppression, he said, not a few weeks of Twitter or Airbnb bans. Americans also have alternative venues to speak out, where most Tunisians and Libyans did not
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Violence at Capitol and beyond reignites debate over America's defense of extremist speech - CNN
Violence at Capitol and beyond reignites a debate over America's long-held defense of extremist speech
(CNN)With most Americans hoping this week's expected inauguration protests look nothing like the Capitol siege, questions emerge about unrestrained free expression, long championed by First Amendment theorists as a benefit to society, no matter how ugly and hateful.
The optics may be disturbing, especially so soon after the riot, with the potential of protesters -- many of like mind with those who stormed the Capitol -- screaming, or worse, at troops and police standing guard outside the razor wire-topped fences surrounding the Capitol.
Is allowing this type of expression "good" for America? An old First Amendment theory -- known as the safety valve -- says it is, that permitting groups to express themselves releases pressure, ensuring objectionable ideas aren't driven underground where they might boil over into violence.
Permitting free speech, including hate and extremist speech, is often cast as a universal boon, reinforced in idioms such as, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" and "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it."
Not all First Amendment scholars are buying the safety valve theory, especially after the deadly episode at the Capitol. They question if extremist speech demands more limitations when it's inextricably linked to the violence at the nation's legislative headquarters, after hateful online rhetoric dovetailed with politicians and activists delivering speeches to revved-up crowds that marched to the Capitol, some bent on insurrection.
Even the American Civil Liberties Union, the consummate guardian of speech, has sought to address the "competing values" its long-held defense of expression presents, and some experts say free speech theories need to take into account the way social media has been used to manipulate the marketplace of ideas.
"We have to pay attention to the way that tech platforms are shaping discourse and the way technology moves fringe ideas into the mainstream," said Joan Donovan, research director at Harvard's Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy. "The idea we would somehow get out of it by not paying attention to what's going on and opening the floodgates to more speech misunderstands the phenomenon of online platforms and misunderstands the technology."
'Protection against ... noxious doctrine'
Ahead of President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration, government and corporations are taking measures to avoid the violence that marred his Electoral College affirmation. Thousands of troops and police will be on hand, and companies including Apple, Google, Amazon, Twitter and Facebook are deplatforming and banning users, including President Donald Trump, while corporations such as PayPal and Airbnb are temporarily blocking resources, such as fundraising venues and places to stay.
Some of those targeted are crying censorship, but the First Amendment protects against government, not private organizations, stymieing expression. Big Tech and others, several scholars say, are correct to shut down extremist speech after seeing the role words on their platforms played in planning and stoking the Capitol mayhem.
The concept that would become the safety valve theory was born with US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis' 1927 concurring opinion in Whitney v. California. He posited "that without free speech and assembly discussion would be futile; that with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine."
Four decades later, renowned First Amendment scholar Thomas Emerson named the theory, writing that "suppression of belief, opinion and expression is an affront to the dignity of man, a negation of man's essential nature."
Robert Richards, founding director for the Pennsylvania Center for the First Amendment at Penn State, believes the safety valve theory has relevance in today's censorship discussions, he said, but he's not sure it's at play here, yet, given the timeframes, who's shutting down the speech and the other available avenues for expression.
Rather, he sees the corporations responding in a temporary manner to an emergency situation, "exigent circumstances that threaten to play out again," he said. Yes, shutting down speakers over time carries risks their behavior will "bubble up in some worse fashion," but there's no indication the corporate measures are permanent. They're narrowly tailored to specific speakers, apps or windows of time, he said.
"The main difference (between corporations and government shutting down speech) is the private sector can make its own rules," he said. "Going forward, those restrictions will ease up as the temperature of the country's politics goes down. ... I don't really think there's a lot of permanent ending of speech."
A far better example of the safety valve theory is the Arab Spring, Richards said. Citizens rose up across the Middle East and Africa -- to spur reform and regime change, not question a legitimate election -- but their anger reached critical mass after years of systemic oppression, he said, not a few weeks of Twitter or Airbnb bans. Americans also have alternative venues to speak out, where most Tunisians and Libyans did not
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MickFoster
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Rurumo
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Here is an excerpt from an article I was reading about the My Pillow boycott:
"In his email to NBC News, Lindell said: "All the evidence against Dominion is before the Supreme Court. ... China and others used the machines to corrupt our election! Here is one page of the proof."
The email did not include an attachment. When asked if he had mistakenly omitted it, Lindell sent another email with an empty attachment and a third with screenshots of illegible text."
This guy cost Dominion millions of dollars with his attacks on their business, it's only fair that the same thing happens to him. He actually deserves it. Freedom of Speech does not equal freedom from consequences.
"In his email to NBC News, Lindell said: "All the evidence against Dominion is before the Supreme Court. ... China and others used the machines to corrupt our election! Here is one page of the proof."
The email did not include an attachment. When asked if he had mistakenly omitted it, Lindell sent another email with an empty attachment and a third with screenshots of illegible text."
This guy cost Dominion millions of dollars with his attacks on their business, it's only fair that the same thing happens to him. He actually deserves it. Freedom of Speech does not equal freedom from consequences.
hanimmal
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lmao I agree. But she has eyebrows that scream "I am a little crazy".
rkymtnman
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oh yeah! i noticed that too.
DIY-HP-LED
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Looks like Mitch is giving signals, the big money is running away from the Trumpers like they are on fire and the republicans are divided in a power struggle between Mitch and Donald. Donald lost, so did those who supported him and I expect a few in the house might be expelled, if they were part of the Capital sacking. The republican base will not be happy in the coming weeks and hundreds of it's most extreme members will be under federal indictment.
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McConnell: Capitol Rioters Were 'Provoked By The President' And 'Fed Lies'
Sen. Mitch McConnell opened the Senate floor by denouncing the mob that stormed the Capitol on January 6, saying that they were "provoked by the president" and "fed lies."
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McConnell: Capitol Rioters Were 'Provoked By The President' And 'Fed Lies'
Sen. Mitch McConnell opened the Senate floor by denouncing the mob that stormed the Capitol on January 6, saying that they were "provoked by the president" and "fed lies."
Budzbuddha
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*turtles hate mirrors especially this blue and purple one.
captainmorgan
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Thoughts and prayers lol.
DIY-HP-LED
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The Septuagenarian mutant ninja turtle is gonna take the sword to Donald and Pepe, Donald is muzzled on social media and Pepe the frog is on the run from the FBI. When they sacked the capital the "succeeded" too well and not only committed the most documented crime in history, but managed to bust themselves in the process. They also helped a lot with domestic terrorist legislation and a domestic terrorist watch list with teeth that they have a reserved place on. They are every bit as stupid as Donald and perhaps thousands of the bastards will end up in prison with him. Shit they might bust a thousand of his cronies, cabinet and minions in the administration alone! It's time for Uncle Sammy to dance on some cockroaches, POTUS, house and Senate, with the republicans divided and at internal civil war.
Donald destroyed them right down to the base and put them on the wrong side of the federal law enforcement and national security communities in one fell swoop. A blunder of epic proportions has lead them to disaster, sacking the capital was an act of historic mass stupidity incited by a moron.
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captainmorgan
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I really don't care, do u?
xtsho
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Good. That guy is a scumbag just like trump. These swamp dwellers come together like a pack of rats. Shady business practices and crappy products. It's too bad that people just trying to make a living will probably lose their jobs because of a crappy whacked out boss.
They were already given an F rating by the BBB 4 years ago before the owner mike scumdell got caught trying to get trump to declare martial law.
BURNSVILLE, Minn. - The Better Business Bureau (BBB) has revoked the accreditation of Minnesota-based MyPillow, lowering its rating to an F based on a pattern of complaints by consumers.
MyPillow accreditation revoked by the Better Business Bureau
The BBB made the decision after reviewing MyPillow's ongoing "buy one get one free" offer, which violates the organization's code of advertising.
www.usatoday.com
MickFoster
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Have you ever seen those pillows?Good. That guy is a scumbag just like trump. These swamp dwellers come together like a pack of rats. Shady business practices and crappy products. It's too bad that people just trying to make a living will probably lose their jobs because of a crappy whacked out boss.
They were already given an F rating by the BBB 4 years ago before the owner mike scumdell got caught trying to get trump to declare martial law.
BURNSVILLE, Minn. - The Better Business Bureau (BBB) has revoked the accreditation of Minnesota-based MyPillow, lowering its rating to an F based on a pattern of complaints by consumers.
MyPillow accreditation revoked by the Better Business Bureau
The BBB made the decision after reviewing MyPillow's ongoing "buy one get one free" offer, which violates the organization's code of advertising.www.usatoday.com
My racist brother has a couple and he bought one for my racist father as well..........total pieces of shit..........a $5 pillow from Walmart beats it hands down.
topcat
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Everything Trump touches, dies. Businesses took their risks.Google News
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