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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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If this were true, then Russian losses were 5 times higher or more and medical treatment for Russian casualties is very poor and the wounded have a high mortality rate. Russian losses are around a quarter of a million and I figure Ukraine's are a fifth to a quarter of that, due to better medical care, being on the defensive for most of the war, better training, equipment, tactics and leadership. They call the Russians cannon fodder for a reason, and we have seen drones kill many of them, life is cheap, brutish and short for them. These guys should think a bit before publishing and what US officials are saying such nonsense.

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OldMedUser

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See if this works, "X" wants me to log in. maybe others will have more luck.
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I tried switching my VPN to a US IP but would still have to log in to see anything other than what you posted. Thought maybe it had something to do with the payment dispute over Canadian content but I guess not.

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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Air power makes a blitzkrieg possible people remember the charging German tanks and forget the Stuka dive bombers. I figure they have their reasons for holding back and the only one I can come up with is they want to break the Russian army and military power along with their economy, so they can't get it back. This takes a longer war to deplete the massive Soviet reserves of equipment and arms they inherited and to wean the Europeans off Russian energy. I think the smart people in Ukraine realize that the only long-term security is to break the Russian army and state, it hurts, but the government can blame it on the allies, which is just fine.

Taking out the rail bridges up to 100 miles inside Russia leading into Ukraine will end this war quickly with a Ukrainian victory. There are only a few rail lines supplying the Russians in Ukraine and they can't operate any more than 50km from their railheads in any force. They would be cut off in Ukraine and contained in their country very quickly with just a dozen cruise missiles or other means to destroy these bridges, most of which are in the middle of nowhere. This leads me to believe that the drawn-out way this war is being fought is to grind down and destroy Russian military power and bring down the regime. It would be too easy for the Ukrainains to win by attacking rail transport inside Russia, rail lines are quick and easy to repair, rail bridges are another matter altogether. The Ukrainians don't have the means to do this, and I don't really think Joe is afraid of Vlad. Once they saw the Ukrainians could not just hold their own, but could win, I think the plan became to use Ukraine to destroy Russian military power. Austin and Blinken said as much at a news conference last year, until Joe told them to STFU about it.

War is Hell.
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I agree LED,good poiunts as always,I tend to think the West is into bleeding Russia short of killing Russia,in other words they don't want Russian sovereignty threatened, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS,if I'm a Ukranian I'm feeling used.The Viper is a fine all purpose jet,still viable after all these yrs. but damn Ukraine could be using A-10's and older Cobra attack choppers(much better than beat down Soviet choppers they're managing to keep in the sky w/their famed ingenuity)in this offensive if we really wanted total success,these systems would incur losses surely but they'd do their damage also and intell. benefits of downed jets/choppers would be negligable at best. Give the Russians something to worry about other than 100$ dollar drones dropping FKN grenades.
 
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CCGNZ

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CCGNZ said:
I agree LED,good poiunts as always,I tend to think the West is into bleeding Russia short of killing Russia,in other words they don't want Russian sovereignty threatened, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS,if I'm a Ukranian I'm feeling used.The Viper is a fine all purpose jet,still viable after all these yrs. but damn Ukraine could be using A-10's and older Cobra attack choppers(much better than beat down Soviet choppers they're managing to keep in the sky w/their famed ingenuity)in this offensive if we really wanted total success,these systems would incur losses surely but they'd do their damage also and intell. benefits of downed jets/choppers would be negligable at best. Give the Russians something to worry about other than 100$ dollar drones dropping FKN grenades.
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When the f-16 debuts in Ukraine they should be accompanied by 3 squadrons of A-10 and 24 Cobra choppers one model before the Zulu version the Marines now operate,that would make a potent package to worry Ivan,F-16's for escort of tank busting A-10's and Hellfire equipped Cobra attack choppers,and none of this tech gives Russian intell a hard on if downed.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CCGNZ said:
I agree LED,good poiunts as always,I tend to think the West is into bleeding Russia short of killing Russia,in other words they don't want Russian sovereignty threatened, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS,if I'm a Ukranian I'm feeling used.The Viper is a fine all purpose jet,still viable after all these yrs. but damn Ukraine could be using A-10's and older Cobra attack choppers(much better than beat down Soviet choppers they're managing to keep in the sky w/their famed ingenuity)in this offensive if we really wanted total success,these systems would incur losses surely but they'd do their damage also and intell. benefits of downed jets/choppers would be negligable at best. Give the Russians something to worry about other than 100$ dollar drones dropping FKN grenades.
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I think the plan is to bleed the Russians out and deplete their vast hoard of inherited Soviet arms and break their economy to reduce their threat not just now, but into the future. Austin and Blinken said as much once at a news conference last year, until Joe told them to STFU! The smart Ukrainians know that this kind of war will ensure their long-term security and end the threat from Russia once and for all.

Let's face it, defeating the Russians in Ukraine has been possible for a long time, but the Ukrainians don't have the means to do it, yet. The Russians are completely dependent on the rails and cannot operate any more than 50km from their rail heads in any strength because of logistical issues and a chronic shortage of trucks, even before the war began. If they cut the rail bridges up to 100 miles inside Russia on the few routes leading into Ukraine they would cut the Russians off in Ukraine and trap the rest inside Russia. Instead, they wanted Vlad to believe he could win and since his ego and power were on the line, he threw in the kitchen sink. The Ukrainians who agree with this idea and the government can blame the allies for the longer war and that's ok, war is Hell.

Rail lines can be repaired overnight, rail bridges take months to replace, even with nobody firing random missiles at the repair work. They would only need to take out about two dozen rail and road bridges well inside Russia to strangle the Russians in Ukraine and keep the mobiks home. Winning this war quickly is easy, if they really want to, but now that they have Vlad wiggling on the hook like a worm, why should they?
 
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CCGNZ

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OldMedUser said:
I tried switching my VPN to a US IP but would still have to log in to see anything other than what you posted. Thought maybe it had something to do with the payment dispute over Canadian content but I guess not.

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w/all the damge he's done
Like the new avatar,Old Med.,even if the CKsucker sees a cell he's paved the way for a more cunning MF to flush my country down the shitter w/ the damage he's done,the fact that he STILL has support has crushed my faith in a large % of my fellow Americans and points to the evisceration of moral standing in the Social Media age,30 yrs ago this CKsucker couldn't have existed in politics,what a stunning degradation.
 
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I think the plan is to bleed the Russians out and deplete their vast hoard of inherited Soviet arms and break their economy to reduce their threat not just now, but into the future. Austin and Blinken said as much once at a news conference last year, until Joe told them to STFU! The smart Ukrainians know that this kind of war will ensure their long-term security and end the threat from Russia once and for all.

Let's face it, defeating the Russians in Ukraine has been possible for a long time, but the Ukrainians don't have the means to do it, yet. The Russians are completely dependent on the rails and cannot operate any more than 50km from their rail heads in any strength because of logistical issues and a chronic shortage of trucks, even before the war began. If they cut the rail bridges up to 100 miles inside Russia on the few routes leading into Ukraine they would cut the Russians off in Ukraine and trap the rest inside Russia. Instead, they wanted Vlad to believe he could win and since his ego and power were on the line, he threw in the kitchen sink. The Ukrainians who agree with this idea and the government can blame the allies for the longer war and that's ok, war is Hell.

Rail lines can be repaired overnight, rail bridges take months to replace, even with nobody firing random missiles at the repair work. They would only need to take out about two dozen rail and road bridges well inside Russia to strangle the Russians in Ukraine and keep the mobiks home. Winning this war quickly is easy, if they really want to, but now that they have Vlad wiggling on the hook like a worm, why should they?
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Don't the Russians have heavy airlift/supply capability,L can't pictue them "dying on the vine" so close to home,Putin is playing 2 cards,1 the West will tire based on time or political change,2 the blood game,Russian troops outnumber Ukraine 3/1 and don't underestimate his willingness to call for gen mobilization if ness.,estimates are that he is OK w/sustaining up to 400,000 casualties. Ukraine CAN be bled dry in a numbers game even winning the casualty battle 2/1.He is too committed to lose or even negotiate IMO and as I've said the Weat still shudders at the prospect of survival of the Russian state coming into play here,a classic kick over the chessboard scenario,let the ICBM's fly Vasily, make sure everybody gets one.I'm certainly not convinced that this would'nt be the Russian reaction if facing complete humiliation and defeat. Which seems to be the main reason we aren't equipping Ukraine w/the tools for a resounding win here.Unfortunately earlier hopes for a nw Russian gov. in the face of this disaster have faded considerably and a replacement friendlier to the West is now a pipe dream,ANY resolution to this war satisfactory to all parties is difficult to picture at best and the questions that abound as to how this ends are daunting and depressing to conjure.

















































































,I just think this war has become static w/neither side capable of total victory,don't underestimate Putin calling for gen. mobilization,estimates are he is more than willing to sustain 3-400 thousand casualties,only 1/3 of the way there
 
DIY-HP-LED

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If not for China and Iran Russia would have been done long ago. America is taking an increasingly hard line with China. Joe has been quietly making their trade difficult and is creating a wall of allies around them, they have been helping with this by their support of Russia and their aggressive moves in the south China sea making their neighbors nervous, just like Russia is doing and with the same results. We are reducing trade and global supply chain dependency on China by building chips, batteries and other strategic things at home or close to it.

Totalitarianism and fascism are the enemy, the same ones as before the second world war and during the cold war, this time democracies are our allies and not so many strongmen, some are not exactly liberal democracies, but the people can change the government with elections.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1693116766908461510
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CCGNZ said:
Don't the Russians have heavy airlift/supply capability,L can't pictue them "dying on the vine" so close to home,Putin is playing 2 cards,1 the West will tire based on time or political change,2 the blood game,Russian troops outnumber Ukraine 3/1 and don't underestimate his willingness to call for gen mobilization if ness.,estimates are that he is OK w/sustaining up to 400,000 casualties. Ukraine CAN be bled dry in a numbers game even winning the casualty battle 2/1.He is too committed to lose or even negotiate IMO and as I've said the Weat still shudders at the prospect of survival of the Russian state coming into play here,a classic kick over the chessboard scenario,let the ICBM's fly Vasily, make sure everybody gets one.I'm certainly not convinced that this would'nt be the Russian reaction if facing complete humiliation and defeat. Which seems to be the main reason we aren't equipping Ukraine w/the tools for a resounding win here.Unfortunately earlier hopes for a nw Russian gov. in the face of this disaster have faded considerably and a replacement friendlier to the West is now a pipe dream,ANY resolution to this war satisfactory to all parties is difficult to picture at best and the questions that abound as to how this ends are daunting and depressing to conjure.

,I just think this war has become static w/neither side capable of total victory,don't underestimate Putin calling for gen. mobilization,estimates are he is more than willing to sustain 3-400 thousand casualties,only 1/3 of the way there
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Russia will suffer a catastrophic defeat in Ukraine, and they will have to deal with the fallout back home. Our main concern is that they have no conventional military left or an economy to support one for a decade. Nukes are always on the table if the Russians want to commit suicide from multiple systems fired at them by multiple countries, Moscow will look like strobe lights going off over it and would glow in the dark for a century.
 
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Russia will suffer a catastrophic defeat in Ukraine, and they will have to deal with the fallout back home. Our main concern is that they have no conventional military left or an economy to support one for a decade. Nukes are always on the table if the Russians want to commit suicide from multiple systems fired at them by multiple countries, Moscow will look like strobe lights going off over it and would glow in the dark for a century.
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The Documentaries "How the World Ends", done in 2017,were right on concerning the Pandemic we just sustained,prescient actually,and in the nuclear armegeddon episode many experts predicted the mid 2020's to be downright turbulent and extremely dangerous. With Russia w/about 2k deployed nukes backed into a corner where they question the sovereign existence of they're state,with the animosity in the Pacific reaching new heights,and where the Iranians have enough weapons grade material to become a nuke capable Middle eastern threat,not to mention our chubby Northh Korean "friend",I hope to hell they are not as spot on as they're pandemic predictions,BAD VIBES everywhere one looks.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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CCGNZ said:
The Documentaries "How the World Ends", done in 2017,were right on concerning the Pandemic we just sustained,prescient actually,and in the nuclear armegeddon episode many experts predicted the mid 2020's to be downright turbulent and extremely dangerous. With Russia w/about 2k deployed nukes backed into a corner where they question the sovereign existence of they're state,with the animosity in the Pacific reaching new heights,and where the Iranians have enough weapons grade material to become a nuke capable Middle eastern threat,not to mention our chubby Northh Korean "friend",I hope to hell they are not as spot on as they're pandemic predictions,BAD VIBES everywhere one looks.
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Now more than ever, America needs wise responsible government, it needs Biden, who has more experience at playing the cold war game than anybody in the western governments. We can see his fingerprints all over Vlad's downfall, once the military experts told him Ukraine could not just survive but could win, a strategic plan was hatched I figure. China is watching and with Russia off the table, the Europeans can take care of their own backyard with a strong Ukraine at Russia's throat along with Germany rearming and new NATO members. Joe's main focus has been on China, and he is ringing them in with US allies while reducing our trade dependence on them. The battery factories, microchip plants, new mines and other things are a result of that shift in policy, allied Asian tiger economies will see a big increase in trade as they displace China. The state department is on the job so that the US military doesn't have to do it and they are like another branch of the armed forces.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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CCGNZ said:
Don't the Russians have heavy airlift/supply capability,L can't pictue them "dying on the vine" so close to home,Putin is playing 2 cards,1 the West will tire based on time or political change,2 the blood game,Russian troops outnumber Ukraine 3/1 and don't underestimate his willingness to call for gen mobilization if ness.,estimates are that he is OK w/sustaining up to 400,000 casualties. Ukraine CAN be bled dry in a numbers game even winning the casualty battle 2/1.He is too committed to lose or even negotiate IMO and as I've said the Weat still shudders at the prospect of survival of the Russian state coming into play here,a classic kick over the chessboard scenario,let the ICBM's fly Vasily, make sure everybody gets one.I'm certainly not convinced that this would'nt be the Russian reaction if facing complete humiliation and defeat. Which seems to be the main reason we aren't equipping Ukraine w/the tools for a resounding win here.Unfortunately earlier hopes for a nw Russian gov. in the face of this disaster have faded considerably and a replacement friendlier to the West is now a pipe dream,ANY resolution to this war satisfactory to all parties is difficult to picture at best and the questions that abound as to how this ends are daunting and depressing to conjure.

















































































,I just think this war has become static w/neither side capable of total victory,don't underestimate Putin calling for gen. mobilization,estimates are he is more than willing to sustain 3-400 thousand casualties,only 1/3 of the way there
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Airlift craft require uncontested airspace. They are vulnerable to SAMs. Russians don’t have the necessary air supremacy over occupied territory.
 
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