Triploids

chronicals77

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Lets all know something, im not an idiot I learn very quickly and have a knack for surfing through horseshit. Its basically imbreeding, pure and simple. When its supposed to be a rare natural phenomenon but one person buys 8 feminized seeds and gets 3 mutants. You dont have to be a brainiac! No one here knows what causes it exactly so no else has the right to say I'M wrong. I'd bet everything I own its a result of bad breeding habbits. Poor genes to begin with somewhere or weak genes from too many gernerations. All feminized seeds are basically imbred, so how could someone even suggest its not a possibility. Come on!
 

Kingrow1

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Lets all know something, im not an idiot I learn very quickly and have a knack for surfing through horseshit. Its basically imbreeding, pure and simple. When its supposed to be a rare natural phenomenon but one person buys 8 feminized seeds and gets 3 mutants. You dont have to be a brainiac! No one here knows what causes it exactly so no else has the right to say I'M wrong. I'd bet everything I own its a result of bad breeding habbits. Poor genes to begin with somewhere or weak genes from too many gernerations. All feminized seeds are basically imbred, so how could someone even suggest its not a possibility. Come on!

All right fuck it lets blame them crappy breeders, every single one of them, all their seed is mutated and hermie and purple stemmed. I dont know why they even bother, obviously they have never googled polyploidy or in breeding and they must be growing some real crap inbred plants to pump out this poo with fake ass biology qualifications. I mean its not rocket science and they got big ass warehouses to grow a thousond plants and select only the best one and all the top grow gear nutrients and automation. Damn why cant these guys get a handfull of seeds right so rank amatuers like you and me can grow some bud.
 

chronicals77

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Just because someone is a "Breeder" doesn't mean they are all clean cut and do everything to the letter. I know a couple shoddy "breeders". Some of them only do it to take advantage of a billion dollar cannabis market. When a single person gets 3 genetically defective seeds in one single batch of 7-8 seeds theres something wrong with that picture.
 

Kingrow1

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Just because someone is a "Breeder" doesn't mean they are all clean cut and do everything to the letter. I know a couple shoddy "breeders". Some of them only do it to take advantage of a billion dollar cannabis market. When a single person gets 3 genetically defective seeds in one single batch of 7-8 seeds theres something wrong with that picture.

If i had a penny for every supposed genetic mutation thread here i wouldnt have to grow herbs.

If genetic mutation was that easy, prevelant and common as all the new growers make out here id be growing some way more interesting strains than whats on the market today.

Youve commented on my thread 'Omg plants gone crazy', three tri leafed plants in a row is quite common....
 

chronicals77

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Ive been growing going on 23 years now and the one I have now is the first ive ever seen so they cant be all that common. Ive bought tons of Acapulco and Columbian Gold seeds and never had a tri-leaf. I just wish there was more scientific explanation for the phenomenon. If someone wants it, they are welcome to it. Im not fucking with it. I may take a clone off it if I have it that long just to see if the clone is normal or if the traits carry over.
 

Tektek

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Read some recent research, can't remember where…….. pretty sure not a dream!
Triploid and tetraploid in the study: stunted, smaller yields of everything, breeding problems. Conclusion: not worth using for anything.
Conversely: tetraploid yarrow is the medicinal standard, diploid is smaller.
Mycoplasma-like organisms cause some whirling and other effects in many species.
and Errors in metabolism, like people, not genetic.
and Rare crossover event creates recessive gene.
I had a huge pineapple bud like the pics, interesting, but IMO the centre might rot before ripe. So not much use.
karyotype: see wiki or whatever. just 100x to count chromosomes. very doable at home.
Root meristem (tip) easier to find / excise and no chlorophyl.
 

Tektek

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Just because someone is a "Breeder" doesn't mean they are all clean cut and do everything to the letter. I know a couple shoddy "breeders". Some of them only do it to take advantage of a billion dollar cannabis market. When a single person gets 3 genetically defective seeds in one single batch of 7-8 seeds theres something wrong with that picture.
Healthy plants produce healthy seeds. Conversely ….. you know.
Agri biz… the best growers/fields get contacts to grow seed.

Who is saving original cannabis genetics? Dutch Treat, Romulan, N. Lights, Kush, OG, Diesel, etc.
 

chronicals77

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Not a very clear picture but they normally do, kinda makes you think its not genetic dont it....
Could be caused by a nematode or a pest like thripes laying eggs into the soft plant tissue before the seeds are developed. If it were genetic you would think the deformity would continue into the rest of the plant and into clones also. I need to study this more and experiment before I retract my comment about some specific breeders. Under these circumstances it does not seem genetic.

I apologize for the picture. My phone camera sux ass!
 

Olive Drab Green

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Triploid? Are you saying it has a third set of chromosomes/chromatids or are you saying it grows three leaves? Triploids are the former.
 

Olive Drab Green

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Also, you're silly. Plant inbreeding doesn't cause defects as it does with humans. I believe it has something to do with having two completely different types of cells.
 

chronicals77

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Repetitive generations can cause weakness and unstable genetics. Same as clones, you can repeat the same genetics by taking clones from clones, from clones but it will peak. After that peak the quality reduces with each generation or every few. You can only clone the same genetic for so many generations before it begins to decline. Its because that genetic gets older, and older, and older, and that maturity carries on.
 

Dr.Pecker

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Triploids are RNA related. Yield should be fine,more buds. Unless of course it has another defect such as hermaphrodite tendency.
I have four White Widow x Critical about 10 days old and one of them has 3 leaves instead of the usual two. Will this effect yeild? I take it that if there is a extra bud side you will get extra buds? COrrect me if im wrong please ha. I might keep her as a mother plant.

Cheers for any insight lads.

Rich.
 

Kingrow1

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Could be caused by a nematode or a pest like thripes laying eggs into the soft plant tissue before the seeds are developed. If it were genetic you would think the deformity would continue into the rest of the plant and into clones also. I need to study this more and experiment before I retract my comment about some specific breeders. Under these circumstances it does not seem genetic.

I apologize for the picture. My phone camera sux ass!

I think were going to find many things to blame before the breeders, rna damage, hormone imbalances, ethylene gas, abscisic acid, pathogens, fungi, bacteria, bugs, environment etc etc.

Trying to relate a load of scientific mumbo jumbo to our specific grows is not easy, we just need the easy answers and what to do about it. Personally just tweaking your setup, soil and strains will get you there in the long run, theres not a lot more to it and keeps us on a base level. Lets leave all the science crap till were better growers basically.

Those leafy buds smoke like crap, its not ploidy, your plant reverted to normal growth, probably just grew enough to combat whatever was stressing it out, possibly some just mess up like that who knows.

I guess the easy route to blaming breeders or genetic mutations is why you dont see much alternative advice, weed sites can break your crop just as easy as make it. I dont have the answers whatsoever, just as many wrong threads as right too. Ive grown a lot of hermie seeds, repeatedly selfed strains, crossed plants and tried my hardest to make bad genetics, everything came out fine and the ultimate reason for a vast amount of bad stuff was just down to how good of a grower i was at that particular time. Like i use to see a lot of this stuff and tried to document what i can but over time most of these problems have just dissapeared, cant even remeber the last time i had a trifolate or whorlled bud. Seeds are like sweets in a candy shop, they all grow the same just a matter of what flavour you want.

Theres a cool strain called Dr Grinspoon (not for novices, i wouldnt even attempt it yet). Perfect conditions will give you cherry size calyxs but anything less than perfect conditions and you will never achieve her max size flowers. For me this is what genetics is more like, not some cauldron we can all get around and breed mutants and extra branches.


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chronicals77

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I think were going to find many things to blame before the breeders, rna damage, hormone imbalances, ethylene gas, abscisic acid, pathogens, fungi, bacteria, bugs, environment etc etc.

Trying to relate a load of scientific mumbo jumbo to our specific grows is not easy, we just need the easy answers and what to do about it. Personally just tweaking your setup, soil and strains will get you there in the long run, theres not a lot more to it and keeps us on a base level. Lets leave all the science crap till were better growers basically.

Those leafy buds smoke like crap, its not ploidy, your plant reverted to normal growth, probably just grew enough to combat whatever was stressing it out, possibly some just mess up like that who knows.

I guess the easy route to blaming breeders or genetic mutations is why you dont see much alternative advice, weed sites can break your crop just as easy as make it. I dont have the answers whatsoever, just as many wrong threads as right too. Ive grown a lot of hermie seeds, repeatedly selfed strains, crossed plants and tried my hardest to make bad genetics, everything came out fine and the ultimate reason for a vast amount of bad stuff was just down to how good of a grower i was at that particular time. Like i use to see a lot of this stuff and tried to document what i can but over time most of these problems have just dissapeared, cant even remeber the last time i had a trifolate or whorlled bud. Seeds are like sweets in a candy shop, they all grow the same just a matter of what flavour you want.

Theres a cool strain called Dr Grinspoon (not for novices, i wouldnt even attempt it yet). Perfect conditions will give you cherry size calyxs but anything less than perfect conditions and you will never achieve her max size flowers. For me this is what genetics is more like, not some cauldron we can all get around and breed mutants and extra branches.


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Thats where natural foxtailing came from in hydrids. Me personally, I wouldn't have any use for that plant. I just dont like the way they grow, there would be nothing significant there apart from potentcy and maybe quality. Me, I have to have quantity along with both of those.
 

Kingrow1

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Thats where natural foxtailing came from in hydrids. Me personally, I wouldn't have any use for that plant. I just dont like the way they grow, there would be nothing significant there apart from potentcy and maybe quality. Me, I have to have quantity along with both of those.

I guess they are more show plants and a test of skill but a good example of what genetics are. Early girl, tundra, maple leaf all different again. Weed has strong adaptable genetics, they deal with being cloned, selfed, crossed remarkablly well, actually getting bad genetics is quite hard, mutants unrealistic. Just the addition of some random photoperiod mj plants to the ruderalis has given nothing but joy.

Im against all this anti breeder mutant genetics stuff, so unfitting with what the plant really does. The only people who have weird plants or problems are those that havent got it dialled in totally yet.
 

Olive Drab Green

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Can Dr. Grinspoon be grown inside? I hear Jack Herer's not meant for indoors, so I gave a family member my Seedsman Jack Herer seed.
 

chronicals77

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That's what I heard. King, this is off topic but have you grown Money Bush by Heavyweight Seeds? Afgan x Critical Mass. Anyone else?
 
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