Thoughts on the "Fair Tax"

Harrekin said:

So do as you say, not as you do?

Typical words of the authoritarian.

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UncleBuck said:

so basically your problem is that the government doesn't stop and ask every coming of age teen if the constitution they passed centuries ago is OK with you and draft a new one if it doesn't meet with your approval.

if you have a problem with taxation, the answer is simple: don't fucking consent to it. don't sign the W2, abscond to the woods, and forsake all benefit of those things that taxation makes possible, including the public infrastructure and public education that has made the internet possible.

i think we'd all like that, especially since we'd never have to hear the hollow thump of that dead horse you keep beating.

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UncleBuck said:

as the only person on this board who has proven he pays taxes, you're not making any point.

any point you are trying to make is as hollow as the horse rob boy is beating, and demonstrably baseless to boot.

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Rob Roy said:

Nope. What my argument boils down to is there are some people that believe it is acceptable to initiate aggression and some that don't. Your core philosophy is a moving and flexible thing...which of course is oxymoronic. People that move their core philosophy around are prone to rationalize....over and over again.

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Rob Roy said:

Education ? Do you mean the Prussian form that the USA has modeled theirs after. Benefits of taxation? hmmm... war would not be possible without taxation would it?

Anyhow make some popcorn and sit down ---- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWESql2dXoc

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UncleBuck said:

lol, there you go again with your "initiating aggression" fallback.

there is a difference between "initiating aggression" and enforcing the law. you can't be "initiating aggression" against people who tell you to "initiate aggression" on their behalf.

as tokeprep has pointed out, the people elected the representatives who put into place the 16th amendment, and we still retain the ability to send in a new set of representatives who can repeal it.

just because they didn't ask every teenage rob roy out there if they were OK with it doesn't mean shit.

my core philosophy in the constitution and self governance, and they are not a flexible thing.

keep rationalizing your angst as "aggression initiated by those scary jackbooted thugs" just because they didn't make sure their centuries old laws were OK with you first, i'll keep laughing at you about it.

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Rob Roy said:

So why DO you support war?

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Rob Roy said:

Also if you're for self government, why would you believe that somebody other than yourself can give your consent to something that a few self appointed representatives dreamed up hundreds of years ago?

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Rob Roy said:

There is a difference between initiating aggression and enforcing the law? Sometimes. When enforcing a law that is bad from the onset, the enforcement of the law itself becomes an act of aggression. Runaway slave much?

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UncleBuck said:

you'll have to ask that to some of the other people i share this concept of self-governance with.



you're confusing our system of self-governance with the utopian one world online government that the new jesus is preaching.

i happen to consent to the constitutional republic dreamt up centuries ago for a simpe reason: it works a lot better than any alternative.



so you're a fugitive slave because you don't like paying into the very system that has led to, among other things, the very medium through which you are transmitting your message right now?

damn, i bet the child slaves in bangladesh would kill for some slavery so comfortable.

oh, woops. you were being needlessly hyperbolic again. my bad.

sorry bangladeshi children, back to making my socks!

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Rob Roy said:

So why DO you support war and the racist drug war?

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UncleBuck said:

i have to reject your question as i have already specified that it contains a false supposition.

self-governance in a constitutional republic does not mean that you are entitled to your every whim, it does not mean you get to freeload on society by deciding that you only get the benefits you want and never foot the cost, it doesn't mean that you can simply not consent to a red light that someone else tyrannically decided to erect, thereby making you a slave to their aggression against you with this dictatorial demand of stopping until it's green.

i think what you're looking for is utopia, and new jesus and his underwater cities and million dollar babies and online government can help you out with that. plus, he's on youtube, so he's probably as legit as this nation of ours.

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UncleBuck said:

i have to reject your question as i have already specified that it contains a false supposition.

self-governance in a constitutional republic does not mean that you are entitled to your every whim, it does not mean you get to freeload on society by deciding that you only get the benefits you want and never foot the cost, it doesn't mean that you can simply not consent to a red light that someone else tyrannically decided to erect, thereby making you a slave to their aggression against you with this dictatorial demand of stopping until it's green.

i think what you're looking for is utopia, and new jesus and his underwater cities and million dollar babies and online government can help you out with that. plus, he's on youtube, so he's probably as legit as this nation of ours.

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Rob Roy said:

What I'm looking for is the answer to the question. Why do YOU support war?

You must be getting tired...you're doing alot of dancing.

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UncleBuck said:

i have to reject your question as i have already specified that it contains a false supposition.

self-governance in a constitutional republic does not mean that you are entitled to your every whim, it does not mean you get to freeload on society by deciding that you only get the benefits you want and never foot the cost, it doesn't mean that you can simply not consent to a red light that someone else tyrannically decided to erect, thereby making you a slave to their aggression against you with this dictatorial demand of stopping until it's green.

i think what you're looking for is utopia, and new jesus and his underwater cities and million dollar babies and online government can help you out with that. plus, he's on youtube, so he's probably as legit as this nation of ours.

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echelon1k1 said:

Hehe... Freeloader talking about freeloading... Priceless...

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But the term “welfare state” does not begin to encompass the totality of America’s commitment of resources to aid the poor. It is more like a vast empire bigger than the entire budgets of almost every other country in the world. America’s welfare empire encompasses close to 200 or more federal/state programs, including 23 low income health programs, 27 low income housing programs, 30 employment and training programs, 34 social services programs, at least 13 food and nutrition programs, and 24 low income child care programs, among others.

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