There must be a shit load of atheists in America.
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stealthman08
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Again, let's say I'm Christian. I keep to myself, do not support church (by giving money to them). Do I deserve the ridicule and hate?
But the pope deserves a huge fucking (falcon) punch in the face. I don't deserve the hate and ridicule, the pope and Christian politics deserve it. See what I'm saying?
2 things, A) America keeps religion and government separate, so weather we had a jew or a devil worshiper in office he would not and could not force his beliefs upon the country who elected him. But by all means, still run for the hills. preferably the one they made the movie about, you know, the ones with the eyes.
B) you might want to go back to high school history class if you think ancient religious texts (jew,christian,islam) were created in the "iron age". The three main monotheistic religions (that means theres only one god) were pretty much created around basically the same time give or take a hundred years or so. Before that you had polytheistic religion (god of water, god of war, goddess of grass, ect) So what texts are you talking about when you say they were copied from. the Quran was not copied down from anywhere elce besides from the prophet muhammad's hand.
So since you seem so educated and cant stand these "retards" who have different beliefs from you, you should have no problem showing me and the rest of RIU were the Quran or the bible was copied down from other texts, Since as you know there was no single god religion before these.
Maybe im wrong and can learn something new from you, i highly doubt it tho, but ya never know.
Filthy Phil
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Of course I understand that. How about.... Nazi germany...i know its an extreme example, but it helps to show my point. What would you say to a nazi soldier who said "i never threw a jew in the fire, I never worked at a concentration camp. I worked in logistics, I never even saw battle!" Would it be rational to say he aided and brought conviction to the people who DID do those bad things?
Now, I dont say, and neither really are the others saying ,"stealthy, I hate you because you are ,hristian (whether you are or are not is irrelivant, this is a mere example). And when family guy cracks a joke on religion, it isnt saying "stealthy, this joke is at you" no, we are clowning on christians in general.
So when you say, do I deserve the ridicule and hate? I say, no one is ridiculing YOU or hating YOU, its at all christians in general. Now, you may FEEL ridiculed and hated, but thats all you....
Back to ze germans, after world war 2, and 1 for that matter, strict punishments were set on axis powers, their people included. Most of the people affected by this were simple citizens, yet theu brought fuel to the "machine" of nazi germany, they are not as heavily to blame as the one pulling the trigger, but without the citizens support they would be unable to function as an army, thus the citizens are also responsible
Back to the christians...if your "team" is fucked up, even if you arent, its part of your responsibility as a member of that team to mitigate negativity associated with said team. Do you follow my.drift?
eye exaggerate
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Filthy Phil
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Hahaha, your funny bro....so you really thin there is no religious influence in politics? Only because religion in politics is "illegal"? Well with that said I guess I will point out how there is no heroine in america...because you know...its illegal right?
Secondly, the texts do NOT come from within a few hundred years of eachother. The torah is more than a thousand years older than the bible, the bible contains the old testament (mostly the torah) and wasnt actually assembled from random letters into the bible untill the dark ages, there was a council that decided which books would be in the bible. The koran is more than just muhammeds words. Their prophets are the same from the bible and torah (abraham, isaac, moses, ismael etc, even jesus is considered a prophet in islam. Muhammed died in 632, the koran was compiled after. And it also has many of the same stories as the bible and torah...strange right?
So to set you straight, more than a few hundred years seperate the texts, and they are all three certainly li.ked together.
Also, there certainly were.montheistic religions befor those three, factually, without a doubt! Most of what you are saying is only substantiated by your feelings, not factual or historical information
Filthy Phil
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Also, you learned about these religions in highschool history class? But I thought there was seperation between church and state....?
Nazi-ism, If thats even a word, wasn't a religion, it was a political party. A better example would have been the Christian Crusades.
People only pick on religious people like jews and christians because they are the main ones who feel they need to speak out about how much that offended them.
They dont get as much reaction out of bashing on atheists, so why bash em? People should take those things that people say on family guy and american dad and so on for what they are, just jokes. Now if someone got up on a national news station and was all serious and told me that if I have a certain belief that I was a F****** Idiot, then it would be different.
People only pick on religious people like jews and christians because they are the main ones who feel they need to speak out about how much that offended them.
They dont get as much reaction out of bashing on atheists, so why bash em? People should take those things that people say on family guy and american dad and so on for what they are, just jokes. Now if someone got up on a national news station and was all serious and told me that if I have a certain belief that I was a F****** Idiot, then it would be different.
sso
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though to be fair
All religion sucks.
if you partake in one, you are a bit of a retard yes, shaved ape
harsh of me to say?
not really, whats wrong with apes? (aside from shitflinging among other stupid stuff (bitch to live with sometimes, but funny guys sometimes and allright in small doses)
All religion sucks.
if you partake in one, you are a bit of a retard yes, shaved ape
harsh of me to say?
not really, whats wrong with apes? (aside from shitflinging among other stupid stuff (bitch to live with sometimes, but funny guys sometimes and allright in small doses)
The torah was created around the Assyrian Empire? One of the first civilizations? i dont think so. try around 600 B.C.E good try tho.
Yes religion has INFLUENCED politics but its not imbedded in them. And since its ILLEGAL as you said the people who elected him would have an issue and then most likely impeach him/take him out of office. We live in a democracy not a dictatorship. Theres no issue that I see with our government body having different religious views as long as it stays as there personal views.
There all connected, as ive told you individually before, because there "people of the book". The islams were the last to receive there "prophet". so yes the quran had material from its "sister" religions.
Will you please tell me some of the monotheism religions that came before these three? While you say what I have to say is substantiated by my own feelings, i feel that your is substantiated by the pine cone your sitting on.
eye exaggerate
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Filthy Phil
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So if the torah was written around 6oo bce, then how does that not make it more than a thousand years older than the bible? I said bible, not pauls letters to pissant islands, I mean the bible itself (which was not written by jesus or his followers but accounts passed through witnesses, and word of mouth.)
Really, religion isnt embedded in politics? Take a look at your money bro, it doesnt say in phil we trust(which it should) whats the last words of the post 195(s pledge of allegiance? One nation under phil?(that would be helpful for my street cred...) Religion has embedded itself into politics in america at least
Democracy huh? What kind? Like the kind that voted in another man in 2000 than the one who became president? Yes, we are a democracy, but dont be ignorant to how undemocratic our buerocracy really is. More than half of americans want weed legal, more than 70 percent legal as medicine, but neither are legal...effective democracy!
If politics is so unembedded with religion, then what about every single president being a self professed christian (even if we know its bs) why was one of kennedies hardest things to overcome publicly was that he was catholic, not protestant? Why did we stop having prayer in congress introduction preceedings less than 20 years ago? Coooooomeon man...seriously. Theres no way you cant say religion isnt bedded in politics.
I have no need to list you the other monotheistic religions (generally discredited as cults) because obviously you have internet and thus google...it will take less time for you to simply open your eyes and look
And im not aitting on a pinecone...at least I am able to hold a conversation without making insults or rude remarks to others....i let my argument bring the fury, not rudeness
I think you have mixed up your english a little, the bibles period for being written WAS over 1000 years. That means it was worked on, revised, re witten, added shit, ect for 1000 years.
Genesis Moses ? - 1445 B.C.
Exodus Moses 1445 - 1405 B.C.
Leviticus Moses 1405 B.C.
Numbers Moses 1444 - 1405 B.C.
Deuteronomy Moses 1405 B.C.
Joshua Joshua 1404-1390 B.C.
Judges Samuel 1374-1129 B.C.
Ruth Samuel 1150? B.C.
First Samuel Samuel 1043-1011 B.C.
Second Samuel Ezra? 1011-1004 B.C.
First Kings Jeremiah? 971-852 B.C.
Second Kings Jeremiah? 852-587 B.C.
First Chronicles Ezra? 450 - 425 B.C.
Second Chronicles Ezra? 450 - 425 B.C.
Ezra Ezra 538-520 B.C.
Nehemiah Nehemiah 445 - 425 B.C.
Esther Mordecai? 465 B.C.
So to say that the torah is 1000 years older then the bible is kind of like saying car tires are older then car engines. There apart of the same thing, and the car engine was re done more times then the tire. may not make sense to you but in my stoned mind it does.
Christianity started out as a cult.
When i say that religion isnt embedded in our american politics, i compare that to the Shi'a Sunni type of politice that will stop a court hearing to pray and stone a person in the same building.
When you look at it like that then no american politics isnt polluted by religion like it is elce were in the world.
I mean i guess if your that type of annoying ignorant person who wants to complain about the creed on our money or maybe the type of useless soccer mom that wants to keep the pledge of allegiance out of schools, then I could understand why you would even bring that point up, but i figured since our government even lets us run websites like this you may see that there are bigger and more important things that our wrong with out country, more so then a set of words that you dont agree with on the back of the money that you pay your bills with. I get annoyed with people who live in america and act like it soooo bad and how they wish they could move our of the country and have so many "hippie" points of view on how the man is holding you down. I could careless if our country was all christians or all atheists, it does directly effect me and my beliefs.
From left field: If I hear another black guy say that black people cant be rasist and that white people invented slavery im going to loose it! LEARN HISTORY-GO TO COLLEGE.
ROLLY187 FOR PREZ.
Filthy Phil
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Yes, and like I have repeatedly said, the BIBLE, NOT ITS BOOKS. Like you said, learn history, the bible wasnt the bible untill it was assembled in europe by letters that go back a ways. And btw, those first books you mention, they are from the torah...it belongs to them, not the bible...
And I went to college...i got flying marks, I am educated, and I do know some history. Do I sound like a garbage.man or something? Do I sound dumb for more than kust the reason that you disagree with me?
And good, so america isnt the WORST RELIGIOUS COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, that must mean we have nothing to improve upon...greeeeeat point. Since.we.arent iran, then we must be perfect right, no problems. And I have spent app 17% of my life living in third world.countries, dont think I am some unexperienced spoiled americanite
haha the college thing had nothing to do with you, thats why i put "From left field" infront of it so dont sweat that too much man. thats a great thing that you can calculate the exact percent of your life you lived over seas. Considering you dont know when your going to die. so thats not really a fair estimation.
Since you couldnt understand my analogy, probably from too much education haha jk, like u said the first books are OF the torah, but that is not ALL of what the torah is. And it dosnt make it the bible just because it was written in english, it was the bible before it was translated. lets not be ignorant. The bible is its books. just becuase someone called it a name that I (an english speaking/european decent person) can read and understand, it still had the same information in it before it was put into english.
So is a car not a car until its been painted??
honestly it seems that we can argue all damn day about it cause it seems to be a issue of people interpreting things differently.
i want the win tho! SHOTGUN!
Filthy Phil
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So youve forced.me to look it up and found a fault in my info, it wasnt until the 3oos that the bible became the bible, previously it was a collection of books. In tracing the origin of the Bible, one is led to AD 325, when Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of 300 religious leaders. Three centuries after Jesus lived, this council was given the task of separating divinely inspired writings from those of questionable origin. The actual compilation of the Bible was an incredibly complicated project that involved churchmen of many varying beliefs, in an atmosphere of dissension, jealousy, intolerance, persecution and bigotry. At this time, the question of the divinity of Jesus had split the church into two factions. Constantine offered to make the little-known Christian sect the official state religion if the Christians would settle their differences. Apparently, he didn't particularly care what they believed in as long as they agreed upon a belief. By compiling a book of sacred writings, Constantine thought that the book would give authority to the new church.
Many books were left out of the bible(the gospel of judas for one), books were altered to assimilate to a more common theme(taking out references to reincarnation and adding variablea from the cult of mythra sp?)
As for the car which wasnt invented untill the 17oos, engines, wheels, suspension, seats, and oil were all utilized technologies long befor the.car was made. Could you say the.car was built when the last piece to the puzzle the.engine.was made? No. not untill it is all assembled is it a car. Similarly I see the bible.
However, it seems my years were off so I will admit delivering inaccurate information. I was shy a few hundred years....
Sandbagger
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The bible is constantly being rewritten. They water it down every other year so it is easier to be a christian. Gotta keep tho$e dollar$ coming in somehow.
olylifter420
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So whats up with being left handed?
stealthman08
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Are you only ridiculing religion because of the money they make?
Like you said, "gotta keep those dollars coming in somehow". So why only ridicule them and not our government for promising so many things and then bullshiting us out of them just to make some profit?
Everyone fucks people over, so why is it so bad for these so called "Christians" to do it?