There is no 'right' v 'left': it is Trump and the oligarchs against the rest

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' (George Santayana-1905).

Gquebed said:

Well that is a whole lot of weird and wrong assumption...

Just saying the top 1% can only squeeze until there is nothing left and then eventually enough people get desperate and civil unrest begins... and it spreads... which is exactly whats happening. Im not pushing for revolution, but it appears inevitable the way things are going.

Click to expand...

You are the one talking about throwing firebombs. I'm saying eff that. I'd prefer we take this fight to the ballot box, not in the streets.

Your whole premise about is false. There is no way the rural poor and urban poor will ever unite to throw off "the man". The rural poor support Trump. They aren't about to throw fire bombs at him, you idiot. If you put fire bombs into their hands, they will bomb the people protesting Trump.

Nah, its better if we not have your violent revolution. You can have it.

Gquebed said:

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' (George Santayana-1905).

Click to expand...

History: Russia had a revolution and ended up with a totalitarian government that starved to death tens of millions of people in Ukraine just to make the point to everybody else in the country that they could.

You are a useful idiot.

Fogdog said:

You are the one talking about throwing firebombs. I'm saying eff that. I'd prefer we take this fight to the ballot box, not in the streets.

Your whole premise about is false. There is no way the rural poor and urban poor will ever unite to throw off "the man". The rural poor support Trump. They aren't about to throw fire bombs at him, you idiot. If you put fire bombs into their hands, they will bomb the people protesting Trump.

Nah, its better if we not have your violent revolution. You can have it.

Click to expand...

Wow. People cant read.

Fogdog said:

History: Russia had a revolution and ended up with a totalitarian government that starved to death tens of millions of people in Ukraine just to make the point to everybody else in the country that they could.

You are a useful idiot.

Click to expand...

Ya... the Soviets starved people on purpose. It had nothing to do with the war having destroyed nearly all the equipment, infrastructure in Ukraine, or the 11 million men that died to win the war who couldnt help rebuild or work the fields and so on and so on and so on. No, they purposely starved the otherwise able bodied people who remained because they didnt need them to help rebuild the nation.

What the fuck do you know? Both sides of my family lived through all that shit, except the ones who died of starvation or fighting.

You know nothing jon snow. You are an idiot.

Gquebed said:

Ya... the Soviets starved people on purpose. It had nothing to do with the war having destroyed nearly all the equipment, infrastructure in Ukraine, or the millions men that died to win the war who couldnt help rebuild or work the fields and so on and so on and so on. No, they purposely starved the otherwise able bodied people who remained because they didnt beed them to help rebuild the nation.

What the fuck do you know? Both sides of my family lived through all that shit, except the ones who died of starvation or fighting.

You know nothing jon snow. You are an idiot.

Click to expand...

Actually, you are totally full of shit. How much infrastructure had the Nazis destroyed in the 1930s?

Your family should have practiced abstinence.

Unclebaldrick said:

Actually, you are totally full of shit. How much infrastructure had the Nazis destroyed in the 1930s?

Your family should have practiced abstinence.

Click to expand...

Oh ya... forgot about that famine... the one where most of Russia fell into a civil war right after the bolshevik revolution that lasted almost 15 years. Ya... that was on purpose. It had nothing to do with about 6 regions of the country trying to retake control from the bolsheviks, instead of farming. Ya... that was a bad one, but nothing compared to what happened 20 years later.

It appears youre no less ignorant.

Gquebed said:

Oh ya... forgot about that famine... the one where most of Russia fell into a civil war right after the bolshevik revolution that lasted almost 15 years. Ya... that was on purpose. It had nothing to do with about 6 regions of the country trying to retake control from the bolsheviks, instead of farming. Ya... that was a bad one, but nothing compared to what happened 20 years later.

It appears youre no less ignorant.

Click to expand...

Is that what they taught you in the komsomolets? That's funny.

Unclebaldrick said:

Is that what they taught you in the komsomolets? That's funny.

Click to expand...

Funny thing... about the same amount of americabs died from starvation and disease at about the same time as the Russian famine. 7 million. Wonder why that happened? The Pres mustve done that on purpose because they didnt want people complaining about having been robbed by wall street and the banks a few years prior.

But the funniest thing is that after losing about 12 mil in ww1 and the civil war that followed, about 7 mil during then 30s famine and the 11 mil more during ww2, plus another 20 mil during the 50s famine... Russia still came back from all that powerful enough to choose and control an American president.
That is pretty fuckin awesome.

Gquebed said:

Funny thing... about the same amount of americabs died from starvation and disease at about the same time as the Russian famine. 7 million. Wonder why that happened? The Pres mustve done that on purpose because they didnt want people complaining about having been robbed by wall street and the banks a few years prior.

Click to expand...

Sorry, you are just plain wrong.

According to a multitude of credible sources, in the 1930s Soviet Union between the trials, executions and man-made famines caused for political reasons, from 15-20 million deaths occurred.

This does not include unintentional famines.

Please tell me all about the American purges and intentional famines, Tibor.

Gquebed said:

But the funniest thing is that after losing about 12 mil in ww1 and the civil war that followed, about 7 mil during then 30s famine and the 11 mil more during ww2, plus another 20 mil during the 50s famine... Russia still came back from all that powerful enough to choose and control an American president.
That is pretty fuckin awesome.

Click to expand...

Don't forget the Great Patriotic War. I guess you guys never should have been allies with Hitler, eh?

And yet you still don't have a convertible currency and millions are drinking bath oil.

Sad.

I like your women though - once they get cleaned up a bit. Send me some pictures of your sister.

Unclebaldrick said:

Sorry, you are just plain wrong.

According to a multitude of credible sources, in the 1930s Soviet Union between the trials, executions and man-made famines caused for political reasons, from 15-20 million deaths occurred.

This does not include unintentional famines.

Please tell me all about the American purges and intentional famines, Tibor.

Click to expand...

Yes. Correct. No shortage of credible sources to google up to show you have over simplified the body count. Plenty of these sources will break it down to fairly accurate categories and causes. Anybody who is interested can go look.

Gquebed said:

Yes. Correct. No shortage of credible sources to google up to show you have over simplified the body count. Plenty of these sources will break it down to fairly accurate categories and causes. Anybody who is interested can go look.

Click to expand...

The Soviet archives recorded 681,692 executions in 1937-8. Is that exact enough for you? It was much harder to count those whose starving they caused.

Now about the pictures of your sister...

Unclebaldrick said:

Don't forget the Great Patriotic War. I guess you guys never should have been allies with Hitler, eh?

And yet you still don't have a convertible currency and millions are drinking bath oil.

Sad.

I like your women though - once they get cleaned up a bit. Send me some pictures of your sister.

Click to expand...

I didnt forget it. I listed ww2. The one that the Russians won, thereby saving uncle Sam from a nazi invasion and saved freedom for the west?
No didnt forget that at all. It is evident now that you truly cant read.

Gquebed said:

I didnt forget it. I listed ww2. The one that the Russians won, thereby saving uncle Sam from a nazi invasion and saved freedom for the west?
No didnt forget that at all. It is evident now that you truly cant read.

Click to expand...

Nah, I just wanted to bring up your alliance with Hitler.

Unclebaldrick said:

Nah, I just wanted to bring up your alliance with Hitler.

Click to expand...

Ah yes, the molotov ribbentrop non agression treaty where my country was ceded to the soviets and poland was ceded to the germans... to buy time for each to tool up to fight the most epic war the planet has seen to date. You mean that "alliance?"

I know it very well.

Unclebaldrick said:

Actually, you are totally full of shit. How much infrastructure had the Nazis destroyed in the 1930s?

Your family should have practiced abstinence.

Click to expand...

And celibacy

Gquebed said:

Ah yes, the molotov ribbentrop non agression treaty where my country was ceded to the soviets and poland was ceded to the germans... to buy time for each to tool up to fight the most epic war the planet has seen to date. You mean that "alliance?"

I know it very well.

Click to expand...

stalin was shocked when hitler broke that alliance (not "alliance" since there was nothing dubious about it), went into hiding for a week while hitler torched your country, and nearly offed himself from the shock and depression.

Gquebed said:

Ah yes, the molotov ribbentrop non agression treaty where my country was ceded to the soviets and poland was ceded to the germans... to buy time for each to tool up to fight the most epic war the planet has seen to date. You mean that "alliance?"

I know it very well.

Click to expand...

Yes, that alliance. Remember when old Joe Stalin went into a virtual coma right after Hitler invaded his county? He sure was surprised. He couldn't even talk for several days.

But I was rooting for you all along. Though I felt you probably could have done better if you had not executed most of the upper ranks of your army. That probably cost you 5 million troops and 10 million civilians. Plus, you guys had a great time murdering Poles too. Remember Katyn?

Don't worry about the pictures of your sister. If she isn't already over here she is either too stupid or too ugly to bother with.