The Battle Rages On: Class Warfare.

Windsblow

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The principle of entropy applies here - perhaps you are correct, but this does us no good as things go from more to less ordered imposing order costs more and more energy - this causes the same scarcity I have been talking about. What you are claiming is about the same as holding that perpetual motion actually works. It doesn't.
I understand what you are saying and I do agree. But what I was really trying to say was what we call resources now might not be considered a resource later and not just because we consumed it all (that another wrinkle in it's self). Technology changes and what we consider a resource will change along with it. Resources will always exist and we will always have unlimited resources to tap into. We have resources currently undiscovered and unused and this fear of loss of resources is hyperbole. We will always have resources.
 

Windsblow

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You just proved my point even better than I could have with 2 pages of material.
I just finished a finite math class..... Here is what supercomputer dude does in his head

Let the original loan balance be: LB(0) {it is the $100,000.00 you borrowed}

Then the interest due ID(1) at the end of the first payment period is:

ID(1) = LB(0) * i

where i is the effective interest rate per payment period.

Our payment period is 1 month (1 year/12), so the effective interest rate is 1/12 of the note rate. In our example, it is 0.07/12.

The principal part PP(1) of the first monthly payment (the part that goes toward the loan balance) is calculated by subtracting the interest part from the monthly payment:

PP(1) = PMT - ID(1)

The loan balance after the first payment LB(1) is calculated by subtracting the principal part (it was calculated above) from the original loan balance.

LB(1) = LB(0) - PP(1)
LB(1) = LB(0) - (PMT - ID(1))
LB(1) = LB(0) - (PMT - LB(0) * i)
LB(1) = LB(0)*(1 + i) - PMT

Similarly, the loan balance after the second payment is:

LB(2) = LB(1)*(1 + i) - PMT

Replacing the LB(1) with the expression we just derived, we get:

LB(2) = (LB(0)*(1 + i) - PMT)*(1 + i) - PMT

or

LB(2) = LB(0)*(1 + i)^2 - PMT*((1 + i) + 1)

The loan balance after the third payment is:

LB(3) = LB(0)*(1 + i)^3 - PMT*((1 + i)^2 + (1 + i) + 1)

The loan balance after n payments is:

LB(n) = LB(0)*(1 + i)^n - PMT*((1 + i)^(n-1) + ... + (1 + i) + 1)

The sum of the finite series: 1 + a + (a^2) + (a^3) + ... + (a^n) is (1-a^(n+1))/(1-a)

As it can be easily seen:
if SUM(n) is the series sum, then SUM(n) - a * SUM(n) = 1 - a^(n+1)
solving for SUM(n):
SUM(n) = (1-a^(n+1))/(1-a)

Now, with a simple re-arrangement, our equation for loan balance after n payments becomes:

LB(n) = LB(0)*(1 + i)^n - PMT*(1-(1 + i)^n)/(1-(1 + i))
LB(n) = LB(0)*(1 + i)^n - PMT*((1 + i)^n-1)/i

The loan balance after 360 payments is: $0.00 (the loan is paid off). So:

LB(0)*(1 + i)^360 = PMT*((1 + i)^360-1)/i

Here is the solution for PMT:

PMT = i * LB(0)*(1 + i)^360 / ((1 + i)^360-1)

Your monthly payment will be:

PMT = (0.07/12) * 100000*(1 + 0.07/12)^360 / ((1 + 0.07/12)^360-1) = 665.302495179183

It must be rounded to the nearest cent: 665.30.

Now, determining the interest part of each monthly payment is simple. It is computed by multiplying the current loan balance by the effective interest rate per payment period.

Your initial loan balance is $100,000.00.

When your first monthly payment is due, the interest part is: $100,000.00 * 0.07/12 = $583.33.

Let's calculate the remaining part of the payment (the principal part), that goes toward the amount borrowed:

$665.30 - $583.33 = $81.97.

When your second monthly payment is due, your loan balance is: $100,000.00 - $81.97 = $99,918.03.

The interest part is: $99,918.03 * 0.07/12 = $582.86.

The remaining part of the payment (the principal part) is: $665.30 - $582.86 = $82.45.

The total interest paid is: $583.33 + $582.86 = $1,166.19.

Now we have the first two rows of the loan amortization table:

Amortization Table
Event Payment Interest Principal Total Interest Loan Balance
Loan $100,000.00
Payment # 1 $665.30 $583.33 $81.97 $583.33 $99,918.03
Payment # 2 $665.30 $582.86 $82.45 $1,166.19 $99,835.58

The process repeats each month...

Payment # 3 $665.30 $582.37 $82.93 $1,748.56 $99,752.66
Payment # 4 $665.30 $581.89 $83.41 $2,330.45 $99,669.24
Payment # 5 $665.30 $581.40 $83.90 $2,911.86 $99,585.34

...

Payment # 359 $665.30 $7.69 $657.61 $139,505.04 $661.44
Payment # 360 $665.30 $3.86 $661.44 $139,508.90 $0.00

How to compute the total interest paid over the life of the loan:

How much did you borrow?

$100.000.

How much did you pay?

360 monthly payments, $665.30 each time.

You paid: 360 * $665.30 = $239,508.

The total interest paid over the life of the loan = $239,508 - $100.000 = $139,508.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re23EpgGPQs

Here is a link on how to do it on a T-84. Look how many data point Mr. SuperComputer can work with just in his head.

Look Mr. Mensa I really think you are wasting your valuble intellect on a stoner forum.
 

Windsblow

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In the several hundred years we have been extracting oil from the ground, reserves have not increased but decreased. Given this, even if oil is a "renewable" resource, it is not rapid enough to give us any benefit.
This is pure speculation. Though this could be true we don't know this. What I am sure about is we will move on to better technology way before we ever run out of oil.
 

canndo

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I understand what you are saying and I do agree. But what I was really trying to say was what we call resources now might not be considered a resource later and not just because we consumed it all (that another wrinkle in it's self). Technology changes and what we consider a resource will change along with it. Resources will always exist and we will always have unlimited resources to tap into. We have resources currently undiscovered and unused and this fear of loss of resources is hyperbole. We will always have resources.
You cannot replace elements Windsblow. As was said, we are running out of silver. We happen to still have gold, copper? not so much. Human inginuity is no more endless than anything else.
 

canndo

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This is pure speculation. Though this could be true we don't know this. What I am sure about is we will move on to better technology way before we ever run out of oil.
This is not speculation but carefully studied research. We less and less oil in the United States while errecting more and more rigs. New finds are becoming smaller and smaller. We import about 8 million brls of oil a day. All things continuin to be equal, we have about 7 years of oil in the ground In the Continental U.S. if we were to put all of our reserves (save strategic reserves) to work and not import any. I am sure you and many others are waiting for that magic bullet that will make all of our energy concerns magicaly be gone. It will not happen. Peak oil is very close if not upon us already, and when a global shortfall cannot be shored up by the Saudis, it will be too late. In some places the Saudis are pumping as much salt water as crude and as the ratios change the price will go up. We need not run out of oil to trigger a catastrophy, it only has to appear scarce - there is that word again.
 

Windsblow

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This is not speculation but carefully studied research. We less and less oil in the United States while errecting more and more rigs. New finds are becoming smaller and smaller. We import about 8 million brls of oil a day. All things continuin to be equal, we have about 7 years of oil in the ground In the Continental U.S. if we were to put all of our reserves (save strategic reserves) to work and not import any. I am sure you and many others are waiting for that magic bullet that will make all of our energy concerns magicaly be gone. It will not happen. Peak oil is very close if not upon us already, and when a global shortfall cannot be shored up by the Saudis, it will be too late. In some places the Saudis are pumping as much salt water as crude and as the ratios change the price will go up. We need not run out of oil to trigger a catastrophy, it only has to appear scarce - there is that word again.
America sit on more petroleum deposits than all of the middle east including Saudi Arabia. At the current petro consumption we have around 100 years worth of oil here in America and that is just what we know about and not including shale oils or coal deposits. The peak oil nonsense is a theory devised by OPEC (which is the largest criminal cartel in the world) which the Global Warmist, U.N. thugs and ECO-EXTREMIST are more than willing to accept and promote. We will not run out before technology changes.
 

OregonMeds

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The earthquakes to come in the US are of the magnitude they can wipe out the whole west coast, myself included of course, and we'll be talking a lot of reactors. On top of that, if people want you to die bad enough, they can hit that containment vessel with a sneaky little missile or many. Don't laugh, there's much evidence for this, the pentagon was no plane. If the glove does not fit, you must aquit. Except in this case history is already written down for us to look at in the new denver airport. If you can open your mind and read art you will see they show so too much of the plan ahead of time as if nobody can read it. Take the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse for example, and the horse death at the gates of the concentration camp facility with barbed wire facing in not out.. The 9/11 like mural shows the guy with the sword chopping buildings but it also shows a HAARP insinuating rainbow, the terrorist is masked so you can see if he's actually american or not, his swath also disperses a grey cloud of death like a virus/plague/nerve agent. It was not put there by a terrorist, and the horse statue at the front of the airport didn't just accidentally kill the person who made it either. Notice in the murals how animals are saved in glass containers protected from a danger ahead of time, while people lay dead, and others smile on. You could talk for days on this stuff and it all says one thing, the only people who will be suprised by more death at this point are those of us who don't wake up and wake others up to the danger to come. The writing is on the wall, as they say.

There is a lot of disinformation out there, but our government made that facility with it's miles of underground bunkers to save themselves and chosen elite while we all die and the writing is on the wall right in front of everyone and nobody is seeing it, or not saying anything.

There's a lot of crap about aliens, those pictures prove without a shadow of a doubt it's our governement behind this, many in the world conspiring actually and all giving up sovereignty, turning over their weapons to the UN it looks like after a new larger weapon was formed by the german boy (nazi's anyone?) and put in the hands of what looks like Banke Moon.

Anyone that has an eye for reading art can see it all. It's not going to be a suprise to anyone but those who refuse to listen, and it's sure no suprise to the government.

If they want to say it's the aliens that would be ok, but then they would have prepared more farming over here, and not outsourced it all so we starve. We'd have been stocking up food for more of us, not had the barbed wire facing in, and not had all countries giving up their arms and sovereignty after the massacres.

Google Denver Airport Murals and just look for yourselves, the truth is in plain sight. BTW the 9/11 like photo was painted over.. Big suprise but the pics are on google.

Our government can't do a god damn thing right, and so so arrogant they even suck at information war by thinking nobody will see it...
 

Windsblow

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This is not speculation but carefully studied research. We less and less oil in the United States while errecting more and more rigs. New finds are becoming smaller and smaller. We import about 8 million brls of oil a day. All things continuin to be equal, we have about 7 years of oil in the ground In the Continental U.S. if we were to put all of our reserves (save strategic reserves) to work and not import any. I am sure you and many others are waiting for that magic bullet that will make all of our energy concerns magicaly be gone. It will not happen. Peak oil is very close if not upon us already, and when a global shortfall cannot be shored up by the Saudis, it will be too late. In some places the Saudis are pumping as much salt water as crude and as the ratios change the price will go up. We need not run out of oil to trigger a catastrophy, it only has to appear scarce - there is that word again.
Actually we only produce about 7-12 million barrels a day and import around 20 million a day.

It [oil] already appears scarce and a catastrophy is what Governments and Cartels are trying to create.
 

OregonMeds

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They need another false flag attack first so the president can legally declare martial law, then they can send out the sick Hliburton contract mercenaries to the concentration camp facilities you can see on youtube to do the really dirty work of extermination and just have the rest of the soldiers oblivious thinking they are just moving earthquake victims to shelters.

They need a reason to put troops on the street, like an airplane spreading nerve agent or virus and claiming it was al queda, and the timing isn't right for them yet with all our military overseas. Time to act is now. Ground all planes. US needs a no fly zone of it's own 24/7, a block on martial law by the president. Bypass chain of command, mobilize the National Guard/Air guard specifically with several states worth of backup in route to hunt down and arrest those behind this plan while the roads are still open and stop this shit. There is no way in hell they have enough mercenaries and secret police or sick minded individuals to stop the guardsmen still here in the states. Orderly arrest, where possible. Lets try not to bomb and kill thousands more ok folks...
 

Windsblow

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They need another false flag attack first so the president can legally declare martial law, then they can send out the sick Hliburton contract mercenaries to the concentration camp facilities you can see on youtube to do the really dirty work of extermination and just have the rest of the soldiers oblivious thinking they are just moving earthquake victims to shelters.

They need a reason to put troops on the street, like an airplane spreading nerve agent or virus and claiming it was al queda, and the timing isn't right for them yet with all our military overseas. Time to act is now. Ground all planes. US needs a no fly zone of it's own 24/7, a block on martial law by the president. Bypass chain of command, mobilize the National Guard/Air guard specifically with several states worth of backup in route to hunt down and arrest those behind this plan while the roads are still open and stop this shit. There is no way in hell they have enough mercenaries and secret police or sick minded individuals to stop the guardsmen still here in the states. Orderly arrest, where possible. Lets try not to bomb and kill thousands more ok folks...
Yeah........ so I think you might want to stop eating those WW brownies dude!
 

doc111

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Yeah........ so I think you might want to stop eating those WW brownies dude!
lol! Individuals like that are a lost cause. I don't even waste my breath any more. You'll never convince them that their deslusions are imagined. I have little doubt that there is a lot of nefarious shit going on in the world but all this Illuminatti, death camp, conspiracy bullshit? I just find it funny as hell! lmfao!!!!!!:mrgreen:
 

MuyLocoNC

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When did OregonMeds officially lose his freaking mind? I knew medicineman and a few others on here are WAY out there, but Jees Meds, what gives?
 

NoDrama

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estimated 4-100 billion barells and that's just the Bakken formations

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3868
The USA uses 20 Million barrels per day, at the highest estimate of oil in the Bakken formation is almost enough oil for American consumption to last maybe 13 years. So what you are saying is that there are other formations that have in excess of 800 billion barrels? The largest producing oil field in the world is the Ghwhar, total past, future and current reserves come to a total of 83 billion barrels. I think your 100 year estimate of oil reserves left on American soil may be a bit too optimistic. Your link provides information that tells us that approx 500 million barrels of oil are economically recoverable with todays technology in the Bakken, or about 23 days worth of oil for US consumption. Gonna need 13 more oil fields like the Bakken to provide just 1 years worth of oil.
 

Windsblow

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The USA uses 20 Million barrels per day, at the highest estimate of oil in the Bakken formation is almost enough oil for American consumption to last maybe 13 years. So what you are saying is that there are other formations that have in excess of 800 billion barrels? The largest producing oil field in the world is the Ghwhar, total past, future and current reserves come to a total of 83 billion barrels. I think your 100 year estimate of oil reserves left on American soil may be a bit too optimistic. Your link provides information that tells us that approx 500 million barrels of oil are economically recoverable with todays technology in the Bakken, or about 25 days worth of oil for US consumption. Gonna need 13 more oil fields like the Bakken to provide just 1 years worth of oil.
That's just one region.... We have many more. Utah has huge reserves in the fishmountain and East and western slope that have not been tapped, Canada, Artic, Anwar the Gulf, The west coast and all the other site that have not even been looked at or discovered. Not to mention the vast Shale sand oils that we are allowed to even develope technology to exploit. My point is that oil production "peaked" in the 70's only because global extraction slowed (due to the OPEC cartel) not because we are running out yet.
 

NoDrama

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That's just one region.... We have many more. Utah has huge reserves in the fishmountain and East and western slope that have not been tapped, Canada, Artic, Anwar the Gulf, The west coast and all the other site that have not even been looked at or discovered. Not to mention the vast Shale sand oils that we are allowed to even develope technology to exploit. My point is that oil production "peaked" in the 70's only because global extraction slowed (due to the OPEC cartel) not because we are running out yet.
Did you read what I said? you need 13 Bakken formations just to provide enough oil for a SINGLE YEAR!!! So unless Anwar has recoverable oil of 130 TRILLION barrels, you are going to fall far short of 100 years worth.
 

Windsblow

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Did you read what I said? you need 13 Bakken formations just to provide enough oil for a SINGLE YEAR!!! So unless Anwar has recoverable oil of 130 TRILLION barrels, you are going to fall far short of 100 years worth.
I can site a hundred optimistic sources and you can counter with another 100 doom and gloom sources, but this whole discusion isn't even about oil reserves. I made a point about the free market system and resources. Whether or not we are running out of oil is pointless.
 

Windsblow

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I have never understood why people lay so much trust in Government. It has always failed, oppressed, enslaved and murdered. I look to the individual and I trust men will, if left to their own free will, treat each other fairly and prosper as long as we believe in good principles of individualism and reject collectivist materialism. We have done it before, if for only a short period.

As for the heavely regulated commercial marijuana market and legal homegrown.... I don't think it would work. You can't have a regulated and taxed market but allow people to freely produce their own tax free. One or the other will go. Government will not set up a revenue producing system without a guarentee there will be revenue to collect. Venture Capital will not flow into commercial marijuana markets without this guarentee also. The State will inevitable outlaw personal marijuana production with a simple tax stamp law Just like they did initially and how they did with moonshine. Felony.... Felony.... Felony. It will only put the more money in pockets the black markets and the Corportion. People will still be dying over marijuana and the Goverment will rake in the revenue.

Unregulated Legalization is the only way.
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