The Australian Bush Fire TRUTH

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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King.Capello said:
Hi community, its no secret that the bushfires devostated our communities all over the country, not to mention the poor wildlife caught in the midst of it, but we will recuperate im sure of it.
THE TRUTH
What a lot of people forget is that the country always has a cycle of devastation followed by a period of relief, it isn't a fact of global warming, but its a problem created by the Greenies, they have stopped the allowance of people to clear and clean out the forest floors of dead fauna such as logs and leaves, fuel in other words.
The fire department used to be allowed to back burn throughout the country and get rid of the fuel that powers the fires, but they passed a law that stopped that, they think it disrupts the wildlife... clearly the fires do 1000x more damage then back burning could ever do, and now this is the result -
A natural disaster that has been exacerbated by the Greens Party laws. This law also prevents citizens from having the right to clean the forest floors and cut up dead tree logs ect, if any person is caught removing or disturbing the natural habitats of wildlife there are major fines and the person will be persecuted.
If the country could back burn the fuel off the forest floors, which is inches thick, the fires would simply burn out and stop spreading, or at the very least be alot easier to contain.
I hope this informs people a little more about the problems and causes that are contributing to these disasters, and how it is not a problem of climate change, I'm not saying climate change doesn't exist, personally i think it dosent exist and is purely a con created by Al Gore and his little friend but i don't know enough factual information to back this up.
If anyone else has any information about the fires, climate change or related topics - please share them with me. I would like to see your countries views on the situation over here.
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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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HashBucket said:
I notice that some of the haters have posted in defense of their environmentalist brothers, and the defense is 'it was arson'.

I sat on a jury once. A man owned a business, a pizza parlor. His employees complained of smelling gas at times, and having headaches. He just told them to get back to work.
One employee quit because she was getting sick.

One day, the manager walked in and flipped on the lights, and the place blew up. He was badly burned. He sued his boss.

His boss claimed that it wasn't the gas leak that caused the explosion. It was the spark when the manager turned on the lights. So, the manager did it to himself.

Do you think we went for that shit? LoL

So, if the gov't allows fuel to build up, does nothing abut it, and an arsonist starts a fire ... it's the arsonists fault? Yea ... some. Not much. There has always been arsonists. I bet there was arson happening in Australia a hundred years ago? What's different is the amount of fuel that the gov't insists on making available to those arsonists.

And if your rabid environmentalists are anything like ours, you'll never convince them of anything different.
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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Abiqua said:
The entire Willamette Valley in Oregon was reduced from a mixed White Pine canopy to Black [California] Walnut, by fire. One example of indigenous burning, so please fuck off.
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At each and every turn you defend Republicans. Yet here you are so sensitive about an apparently ignorant statement about a little known fact: that the First People in the PNW practiced what we now call perma-culture and used natural means including controlled burns to increase food supplies in a sustainable manner.

You really care. It clearly shows in your normal discourse on this forum, which involves using false equivalences to make the naive claim that Democrats are same as Republikkkans.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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"The boss of the New South Wales Rural Fire Service says hazard reduction is important but not a panacea for bushfire risk and has “very little effect at all” on the spread of fire in severe or extreme weather. "
-https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/08/hazard-reduction-is-not-a-panacea-for-bushfire-risk-rfs-boss-says
 
ChiefRunningPhist

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@King.Capello
www.news.com.au

Firey slams “outright lies” and misinformation about bushfires

A frustrated firefighter has hit out at misinformation circulating on social media surrounding the current bushfires crisis.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au

“No, a video on Facebook of a guy in the bush screaming at the greens is not facts about what caused these fires."

...

“The motivation underlying this often tends to not be changing people’s opinions about the bushfire itself and how it’s happening, but to sow discord and magnify already existing tensions in polarised political issues,” Dr Graham told the ABC.
 
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schuylaar

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DustyDuke said:
I never pay for fire wood! I always collect it for free, I don’t pay for heating bills. Well except that light that warms the bathroom up in the morning (you have to draw the line somewhere). Well maybe $30 bucks in juice there and back and some for the chainsaw.
Problem is most Aussie are lazy and don’t do fuck all but winge.
Not sure about law stopping citizens collecting “fuel”, sure there time’s of the year that are no go zones and not in national parks. But there national parks for a reason and it stops idiots that think they know what they’re doing, from damaging the ecosystems.
Not back burning is dumb as fuck agreed.
Anyways check this link out so you and your boys can go get hard wood in the bush.

Firewood collection in your region

Find out where and when you can collect firewood in your region.
www.ffm.vic.gov.au www.ffm.vic.gov.au
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Aren't Aussies heavy drinkers?
 
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schuylaar

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King.Capello said:
Hi community, its no secret that the bushfires devostated our communities all over the country, not to mention the poor wildlife caught in the midst of it, but we will recuperate im sure of it.
THE TRUTH
What a lot of people forget is that the country always has a cycle of devastation followed by a period of relief, it isn't a fact of global warming, but its a problem created by the Greenies, they have stopped the allowance of people to clear and clean out the forest floors of dead fauna such as logs and leaves, fuel in other words.
The fire department used to be allowed to back burn throughout the country and get rid of the fuel that powers the fires, but they passed a law that stopped that, they think it disrupts the wildlife... clearly the fires do 1000x more damage then back burning could ever do, and now this is the result -
A natural disaster that has been exacerbated by the Greens Party laws. This law also prevents citizens from having the right to clean the forest floors and cut up dead tree logs ect, if any person is caught removing or disturbing the natural habitats of wildlife there are major fines and the person will be persecuted.
If the country could back burn the fuel off the forest floors, which is inches thick, the fires would simply burn out and stop spreading, or at the very least be alot easier to contain.
I hope this informs people a little more about the problems and causes that are contributing to these disasters, and how it is not a problem of climate change, I'm not saying climate change doesn't exist, personally i think it dosent exist and is purely a con created by Al Gore and his little friend but i don't know enough factual information to back this up.
If anyone else has any information about the fires, climate change or related topics - please share them with me. I would like to see your countries views on the situation over here.
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So you want to clean the forest floor?

We have a president you can have- he believes the same thing.
 
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schuylaar

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HashBucket said:
I notice that some of the haters have posted in defense of their environmentalist brothers, and the defense is 'it was arson'.

I sat on a jury once. A man owned a business, a pizza parlor. His employees complained of smelling gas at times, and having headaches. He just told them to get back to work.
One employee quit because she was getting sick.

One day, the manager walked in and flipped on the lights, and the place blew up. He was badly burned. He sued his boss.

His boss claimed that it wasn't the gas leak that caused the explosion. It was the spark when the manager turned on the lights. So, the manager did it to himself.

Do you think we went for that shit? LoL

So, if the gov't allows fuel to build up, does nothing abut it, and an arsonist starts a fire ... it's the arsonists fault? Yea ... some. Not much. There has always been arsonists. I bet there was arson happening in Australia a hundred years ago? What's different is the amount of fuel that the gov't insists on making available to those arsonists.

And if your rabid environmentalists are anything like ours, you'll never convince them of anything different.
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The owner was liable.. Its his responsibility to provide safe work place. See OSHA compliance.

I can't believe it went to court.
 
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HashBucket

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schuylaar said:
The last two big ones in Cali..Campfire and the other were both arson it was found..no sparking electric poles like they first thought.
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NOT true.
The one that got me, the Carr fire, was started by a mechanical failure of a trailer. A bearing overheated and caught the tire on fire, or the tire went flat and running it flat caught it on fire. It wasn't the drivers fault, she couldn't tell there was a problem till it was too late.

The Camp fire was started by PG&E high power line going down when the Santa Ana winds came up and knocked down a tree that took out the line. PG&E is, of course, denying that and is coming up with excuses as to how the fire started. It's too bad that they don't just tell the truth, and let people know that it's the environmentalists that created the situation that made the fire so deadly. At trial, they probably will.

But IT DOESN'T MATTER. Even if it was arson - the fire fighters would have been able to control it IF there wasn't so much fuel on the ground. And, there's only one reason for that.

I dunno about Austrailia. But I've lived in California for 60 years. I have been through many 'fire seasons' - and this last one was different. Way different.
Oh well, the fuel has burned off now, (at least here) prolly good for another 40 years or so.


schuylaar said:
The owner was liable.. Its his responsibility to provide safe work place. See OSHA compliance.

I can't believe it went to court.
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Yea, we were kind of that way too ... but I found out that the insurance company wasn't offering enough for a settlement. They offered $200k for past AND FUTURE medical costs, and $300k for pain and suffering. The employee complained that her injuries were so severe that she would need medical care the rest of her life for things that she may not even know at this time. The insurance company wouldn't step up - so it went to trial.

It took us longer to elect a foreperson than to find the business owner liable.

It took another hour to arrive at: $200k for PAST medical costs. $1 mil per year limit on future medical costs for her lifetime. And $600k for pain and suffering. And $200k punitive damages.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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HashBucket said:
NOT true.
The one that got me, the Carr fire, was started by a mechanical failure of a trailer. A bearing overheated and caught the tire on fire, or the tire went flat and running it flat caught it on fire. It wasn't the drivers fault, she couldn't tell there was a problem till it was too late.

The Camp fire was started by PG&E high power line going down when the Santa Ana winds came up and knocked down a tree that took out the line. PG&E is, of course, denying that and is coming up with excuses as to how the fire started. It's too bad that they don't just tell the truth, and let people know that it's the environmentalists that created the situation that made the fire so deadly. At trial, they probably will.

But IT DOESN'T MATTER. Even if it was arson - the fire fighters would have been able to control it IF there wasn't so much fuel on the ground. And, there's only one reason for that.

I dunno about Austrailia. But I've lived in California for 60 years. I have been through many 'fire seasons' - and this last one was different. Way different.
Oh well, the fuel has burned off now, (at least here) prolly good for another 40 years or so.




Yea, we were kind of that way too ... but I found out that the insurance company wasn't offering enough for a settlement. They offered $200k for past AND FUTURE medical costs, and $300k for pain and suffering. The employee complained that her injuries were so severe that she would need medical care the rest of her life for things that she may not even know at this time. The insurance company wouldn't step up - so it went to trial.

It took us longer to elect a foreperson than to find the business owner liable.

It took another hour to arrive at: $200k for PAST medical costs. $1 mil per year limit on future medical costs for her lifetime. And $600k for pain and suffering. And $200k punitive damages.
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