The Art of The Auto

ChynaRyder said:

Cheers Bro...I may just smoke about 10 of em for ya...I tried to PM, but cannot, something a jigger with my account I suppose. At some point we will chat about the Mrs....you help her back pain m8, and you realize the hummer you will get in return

Beautiful day with nary a cloud in the sky, I am off to fly with the birds.

Click to expand...

Sounds good to me, had more than one my self today.

I added you as a friend it may have been that too, who knows i dont know about these settings. Looking forward to the chat, Im off to germing.

She has been more generous since ALF has been around

Hope all is well

John Mondello said:

ehy just to get locked in on ur convo... AFL = ?

I've been loking at Mango just cuz they sounded nice... now that i know it has a good medicinal (vascular) effect, 'll definetly be getting some phenos... wanna try crossing with lr2 or something.

J

Click to expand...

IF You mean ALF? If so here she is

FullDuplex said:

IF You mean ALF? If so here she is

Click to expand...

god shes a beaut!

i was actually asking what ALF stood for... i was a lil stony for that post! lol.... usually am... lol

btw all.. so far all but 1 of my AF's germed... cotyledon wedges baby! the one that didnt germ was lowryder... but its only been a couple days so we'll hang in there on her.
as a mem refresher: 7 autoberry, 7 autowidow, 7 lowryder #2 from marijuanaseeds.nl
400 in MH Mode currently on 24/7 for the next 2 weeks then to switch to 20/4 (also running in TURBO mode for Max light)
Just finished the remote-control lock machanism so that theres no way to open access to closet without the right remote with the right code. well bottom cabinet or (FC) as it were. top cab or mother to do tommorrow... easier than i thought it would go tho and works like a charm. pics to follow soon.. for now, just the first auto up:

@ mossy, the Mi5 was ok, but in my seed runs I lost the AK47 pheno in s1's, but I locked down the MASSIVE SIZE, I still have a couple of bin bags full!!!

I think of all the strains I grew in the greenhouse over summer the nirvana sky won all prizes in all the catagorys. I did cross a bad betty with the nicest nirvana sky so im excited to see what grows from those beans.

I keep forgeting to say, the ALF#3's had the best looking, most healthy, full pots worth of roots. I noticed with pretty much all autos they grow a tap root down, then spread out accross the bottom of the pot where most of the auto root stays with very little growing down the sides. the ALF#3's had big thick brilliant white looking roots all around and down the sides. I cant explain to good, I did take some photos for you but I have about 3 months of undsorted photos to go through before I can find it.




@ FD - pm

FullD..You have my HEAD buzzing m8...
NOW you know why I am SO excited about the homework in the book.

back soon...chores..

ALF...Afghan Little F*ck..

love the work you guys are doing on terps and medicinal... especially BLOOD FLOW and anti-fungal and anti-cancer! please keep up the great work / research! how expensive are the previously mentioned chromatagraphs?

Click to expand...

M8..the Research on the Terps and the medical classification has all been done by Ed Rosenthal...
and is available in his new grow book.

We, as a group, have been doing LOTS of homework on the medical use of cannabis..
in particular AF's
and Ed R's theories are right where we were heading...
but with a Lot more detail.

IF we can help prove some of his theories..or gather related info..it will all help the Cause..

Some great info for sure.. This is the stuff we need to submit to the anti's.. Get some hardcore proof of what EXACTLY in the pot is doing medicinal things..

Click to expand...

Fact..Every animal on this earth has the ability to self-medicate.

It is not (normally) a Learned behaviour..it is instinctual.
We are no different..
and it is my Belief that the seeking out of cannabis too self-medicate is an inherant part of our genetic make-up..
It is instinctual...

IF we can prove That..

how then can we be prosecuted for using it..
we have no control of our genetic make-up.
It was decided for us.

Can we now procecute ALL the people who eat Mangos..
because after all...
they are using Myrcene to get high the same as me..
they are just using a different Delivery system..

THINK about it..

the terps volatilizing better as apposed to combusting...thinking that as you draw the hot smoke through the cold bud of the doob, you may be 'vaping' terps that may otherwise combust or denature...Hmmm.

Click to expand...

Wondering m8...
I hit it by accident..visitors came to the door..bud tub on settee..shoved in the fridge for a couple of hours until they left.
Made myself a smoke and it Drew cooler and the flavour seemed more intense..
(could be just Me.....)
but it is a simple one for a few of you to test.
if it works for you too...
we will all be smoking..chilled..chilled bud..

thats a greast concept, btw... simultaneous starts across growers and starins for note comparison... we should set up a synch schedule... would be a great way to gether more data...

Click to expand...

Always good...good grow diaries help..

Right..my reply to your post may be epic...so I'll do it in bits..
coz I have So much to tell ya..
spark up a mind expander.....we may be a While..

First i had no idea that there were ties in mangoes and terps in canna, second of all had no idea it would have been Myrcene that tied it all together.

Click to expand...

Nor did I..
but..
I have picked up something Similar..that Seemed to produce a synergistic effect..
and I had almost dismissed it from my mind until I read about the mango
then it just went Boom.

Now back to the mango.
I have seen the mango described as the King of fruits..the Best fruit in the world..
(are people popularising it because of the myrcene effect?)
And an aphrodisic.
Is it the King of fruits because people are receiving the Same med benefits from the Myrcene in there..as they would from bud with a high myrcene content...

Myrcene is a potent analgesic..anti-inflamatory..anti-biotic...

Myrcene is a pain-killer...if you feel Good/well..you thoughts will automatically turn to a bit of the other
(that is what Chyna was trying to tell you about relieving Lady D's back problem...)

At some point we will chat about the Mrs....you help her back pain m8, and you realize the hummer you will get in return

Click to expand...

so is the "aphrodisiac effect" down to simple pain-killing effect.

Next..still on the mango..Chyna..I was kinda gutted when you said you liked the Limonenes..
because knowing that you need the Effects from the myrcene..I thought that you were going to have a "myrcene atuned nose/brain action." ...
the same as I do for the slightest hint of incense...
BUT..
(Limonenes/afghan are My pain-killer of choice too..
my Incense belongs in that Family..I wonder if we are USING the systolic pressure increase asscociate with the linonenes..)

I Think that we are instinctly picking our meds out By nose...
the Brain recognises from the smell of the Terps..
Which pain-killer is Best for your illness.

That is why I have FullD using LadyD as a guinea pig......

Mossy you asked me to find out if there were differences based upon sex, not only by picking the pheno by nose but also by effect. Looking for different terps in this case that pull you more towards a smell for meds

Click to expand...

FullD is gonna make her..her Own medical cross..using only her Nose to select the Parents.

I say..she will instinctively create her own designer medicine...without any knowledge of Breeding..as such.

NOW AIN'T THAT AN EXPERIMENT.

Big Thanks to LadyD for being our guinea pig.

Now...
HOW they think the mango Helps the myrcene in the bud having a Stronger/fater high..
is by entering the blood steam and opening up the myrcene receptors..
so the Bud myrcene streams through the Open doors.

So.."using the mango..bud follow up" delivery Might just Strengthen the overall Med effect too..
getting to the places bud alone fails to reach...

After i read your home work to her she told me what fruits she had been eating, and asked me if that was the reason she was getting a 'brain message' after she ate them.. I had to laugh at her, but she told me there was a change in the high after eating the mangoes

Click to expand...

It gets More Interesting..doesn't it...

We have been smoking ALF here lately, lovely smoke, great med effects for both me and Lady D. She gets back relief and my oral relief is fantastic. you can tell it opens the blood flow, for us at least

Click to expand...

(I Think that the increased blood flow..dilatory effect...feeds/reaches the nerves..and stops them screaming.
They are being starved by a compromised circulatory system..the pain is them yelling about it.)

I currently have 2 different phenos from ALF, i have a colored as well as a white. The colored pheno is smooth but the white contains the incense pheno that i love.

Click to expand...

I've said it all along..the Best pain-meds are in the whites

And..
tell me what we were talking about starting to come out of the JEM white/green pheno..
Mango Skunk scented phenos were starting to roll out..High myrcene..Gotta be.

But..I wouldn't have been able to identify That..without ER's terp work.
Hyped.

So to see if this is truth with her i am running it again in the AM with her. This is the time she will have a minimal amount of both in her system

Click to expand...

Ha ha..I Test new bud down the beach in the morning..when there is no cross-over effect..
It works.
We Need to talk cross-over effects too..
But..I'm in trouble in the house for not getting jobs done..
so I may be sparce the next few days...
I'll give us the chance to digest the homework..

One more thing...Basil...and or tomatoes..
If you have basil...crush it and sniff...something at the back of the smell has a hint of canna..
chomp it 10 mins before a smoke..
see if you pick up a synergy...

synergy is my New word...
it is what I was picking up on..
but couldn't put a name to.

gonna pick up some mangos today and have a try-round with this... though all i have right now is super silver haze and kona mist (i believe a cross of cali mist and kona)
i like the medicinal for the back and the increased circulation... plus a buzz boost is ALWAS welcome! lol

thanks mossys for the ALF ref Afghan Little fuck... love it.... afghan X lowryder #2 or some variation thereof?

This may be off the wall, but while reading all of this about mango's and myrcene I had a thought. Remember back in the day when smoking out of an apple was all the rage? I wonder if you smoked out of a mango if you would get more of an intense myrcene effect...

well it sounds like worth a try but i'm guessing theres not quite enough heat there to raise the myrcene to vapor temp... but i'm not sure what the vap temp or boiling point is. maybe its low enough to work... let ya know when my mangos ripen enough here to try it... lol

Mossy this stuff is golden.. An old friend runs a medi colective in town here, i can't wait to tell him to keep some mangos on hand!!
Here is your meds and here are your mangos .

Really great stuff, i am going to see if he wants to join in the discussion. Since he has been doing the med thing for a good while now. If i could give more rep i would be dolling it out, not just your average info here fellas.


Bh.

dargo said:

I keep forgeting to say, the ALF#3's had the best looking, most healthy, full pots worth of roots. I noticed with pretty much all autos they grow a tap root down, then spread out accross the bottom of the pot where most of the auto root stays with very little growing down the sides. the ALF#3's had big thick brilliant white looking roots all around and down the sides. I cant explain to good, I did take some photos for you but I have about 3 months of undsorted photos to go through before I can find it.

Click to expand...

I have to agree the ALF#3 root systems has by far been the best. The tap roots were thick and white and the feelers were in abundance. To actually get a lok at the roots i had to soak for 2 days to get all the dirt off. It was the thickest set of roots i have seen so far on an auto.

My experiences with the rest of the autos have been different than you dargo. I have seen the same pattern with all the ones i grow. Thick web like root structures and one or two solid tap roots. This was my goal of the o2 in the water and the perlite. Typical root development is as you described, several tap roots running to the bottom and then sending out feelers to do the feeding and uptake for the plant. My goal was to do this through out the soil, and i believe that this is what gives me the large yields in the small planters. If the plant has the ability to have feelers from the top to the bottom its up take ability has been maximized. I think that adding the extra o2 to the water before feeding as well as the light soil causes these little guys to allow the roots to run wild. After this JEM is done ill dredge the roots to get a good shot of them.

Mossy

Be back to talk in a bit, Lady D is on a cleaning rampage and wants help........

mossys said:

Right..my reply to your post may be epic

Click to expand...

And boy was it like BH said tons of information here, more than your typical grow journal and Q&A.

I have picked up something Similar..that Seemed to produce a synergistic effect..
and I had almost dismissed it from my mind until I read about the mango
then it just went Boom.

Click to expand...

Thats what it was like for her. I read the information to her and it was like a light turned on in her head. She got excited, she thought that she was off her rocker till she got the confirmation.

(are people popularising it because of the myrcene effect?)
And an aphrodisic.

Click to expand...

This could be but are they doing this with out knowing why? I mean has there been that big of a study of Myrcene content in mangoes? or is it because of the concentration levels they rave about it and just dont know it.

Myrcene is a pain-killer...if you feel Good/well..you thoughts will automatically turn to a bit of the other
(that is what Chyna was trying to tell you about relieving Lady D's back problem...)

Click to expand...

This is exactly what i was trying to explain to her. I told her that the main goal is to relieve the stress that she feels trying to fight off the pain. Once she is able to do that her body begins to "work" in deferent ways. Once the pain from the stress is relieved she can focus on other things, in turn returning her energy levels to normal and a relief of lower back pain.

I Think that we are instinctly picking our meds out By nose...
the Brain recognises from the smell of the Terps..
Which pain-killer is Best for your illness.

Click to expand...

I have to agree, when i was doing the cup challenge i had a few females going from each strain, Budwider had a few different smells in there, but one stuck out to me more than the rest. They all had a great smell but the skunk/TCP pheno was THE best. I was drawn more towards this plant than the rest. She was the one that was taken last. She had outstanding med benefits, nice strong high enough to make you sit and forget your name. She eased my headaches and oral pain the best. It was instant too, if i felt the pain brewing i could smoke and once the on set hit the pain was gone, only prob is she has a touch of paranoia at this stage.

That is why I have FullD using LadyD as a guinea pig......

Click to expand...

Shes loving all the smoking

FullD is gonna make her..her Own medical cross..using only her Nose to select the Parents.

I say..she will instinctively create her own designer medicine...without any knowledge of Breeding..as such.

Click to expand...

Indeed i am, I have started 6 new seeds last night to start the journey. Once they start to show sex i will dose the females with some sugar water. This will pick the smell up and then ill have her find the one she likes best by smell only. I will take this female and hit it with the best looking male, and if there isnt one it will be the colored pollen i have saved as this male had color and when watered had the spiced cherry smell.

So.."using the mango..bud follow up" delivery Might just Strengthen the overall Med effect too..
getting to the places bud alone fails to reach...

Click to expand...

I see it as hand in glove, one making the other better. Once one opens the flood gates the water is able to flow. If the mango is ingested and then a nice doobie smoked it should work together IF the bud has high enough myrcene levels. The effect should be a total different high all together.

I've said it all along..the Best pain-meds are in the whites

Click to expand...

I too am seeing this and maybe thats why i got the whites to begin with. To learn more about the med effects rather than just looks.
But if i remember correctly you only used to get incense phenos in white
until here recently you got one in color, maybe its that terp that is carring the effect were looking for.

Ha ha..I Test new bud down the beach in the morning..when there is no cross-over effect.

Click to expand...

The only way that i know how to get the best results. And we are going to have to talk about this more. I have been blending the ALF's and I havent noticed a difference other than the high is shorter in length but more intense on on-set.

One more thing...Basil...and or tomatoes..

Click to expand...

Making spaghetti tonight so i may have to give it a go.

synergy is my New word...

Click to expand...

Remember that for a name.....when you find the one that has the best med effect were looking for.. It be a good name.



Now ill leave you with this.

With all this talk about related scents, terps, and med benefits its has occurred to me about something. The plants that are most lusted over are your berries, skunks, and fruit smells or at least i have noticed this.

Some breeders have worked for years to produce a pure blueberry, or something that smells of mangoes or lemons. I think there is a reason for this other than looking for perfection. I think that there is something driving them, a natural selection if you will. Im wondering if there is a tie between the terps we smell on the canna and the ones that the fruit produce. To the level of med benefits.

IE if blueberries have a certain med benefit like mangoes do. IS there something in the blueberries that the body may need such as like an antioxidant, or some other benefit. IS this what drives us to make this strain matching scent to scent subliminally?

I think that this is why we lust over fruity smelling strains, its our brain letting us know that there is something there we may have a deficiency for.

just an update on my auto ak47 and auto NYLD seed run

they are growing a little slow but they are starting to move along just not as fast as i would have hoped should of waited till december to plant em as that is when us aussies get some real nice weather

first pic is auto ak47 then NYLDs and then group shot.

u might wanna put those in there own home bro there gonna kill each other.

chuck taylor said:

u might wanna put those in there own home bro there gonna kill each other.

Click to expand...

its a seed run, done it this way for 5 years and never had a problem to date due them killing each other cause they were all in the one pot.

thanx for your input all the same.

chuck taylor said:

u might wanna put those in there own home bro there gonna kill each other.

Click to expand...

thats what i was thinkin... better do it wuick before they take damage from root disturbance

shroomyshroom said:

its a seed run, done it this way for 5 years and never had a problem to date due them killing each other cause they were all in the one pot.

thanx for your input all the same.

Click to expand...

ahhh a seed run... now i c