MistaRasta
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Keep on keepin' on bud. More goodies for me
Steer Manure
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MistaRasta
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This guy calls kelp, neem, rock dust crap and then says he dumps BEASTIE BLOOMS on his plants for a 'boost.'
LMAO
420God
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I pick up deer for the state and one of the ways of disposal was to compost. Since I have a farm and manure available I figured that'd be the best way instead of them getting tossed into a landfill. I had multiple windrows of compost and piles of manure/compost material waiting to be used.
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Dr. Who
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I run a 3 farm organic co-op. We are about to become 4 and it's a dairy...Just have run to the gauntlet of moving that to organic..close to 1/3 done there.
Anyway, your posting in the organic section. While animal and animal by products can be listed as organic..I, and many others here, DO NOT care to ADD them. Bone, blood meals are not, and should not be anyone's first choice in soil building (antibiotics, CWD, CJD, or any form of spongiform encephalitis! HAS been found in Bone meal! Let alone the problems deer can carry too...BTW Deer are Ruminants !
BY adding those things you list....I find YOUR "compost" as UNACCEPTABLE for use in building organic soils! It is more a nutrient base then a bio base!
I use 100% steer or cow manure for "building" soils for the complex microbial content that EWC and other things do not bring to the table (in comparison)! The amount is usually around 2 lbs per sq foot.
Horse manure, hot composed ONLY is a NUTRIENT source! NOT a viable "complex" bio source!
We "use" some Horse manure on the farm - hot composted, for some specific applications and specific tea brews.....We do not turn it into soils as most is NOT hot composted and I'm not willing to risk any problems - Weeds included...
There's my 2 cents on that issue!
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Yodaweed
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Great point, my neighbors horse farm has big piles of hot composting manure that he gets from his stables / horse enclosure. That's what he would be dumping and I would continue the composting process for another year before applying it to my veggie garden and my cannabis plants. Would that cause issues with the amount of weed seeds they eat or after composting it should be good? I live in a very dry area, these horses eat some weeds but not that much, their enclosure is like a dust bowl pretty much, no grass, just dry dusty ground.With a horse, it only goes through 1 gut!
Ruminants (in this case cows) have 4 stomachs.....They chew their food several times and seeds are destroyed in the process!
This multi microbial based digestive system makes for superior composted manure!
You don't see farmers shooting horse shit on fields do you? Now why do you think he's giving you 2 dump truck loads?
I'd like to say thank you to everyone that has participated in this convo, we got a lot of great info out here on the web, hope this can help other people.
Dr. Who
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Yup, you should actually be good on your Horse manure for what your doing with it!
The wife does some and uses it by raking it in around particular veggies in the house garden......It goes in certain Farm spring teas for it's nutrient value - Intended field planting dependent.
GrowerGoneWild
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So much bullshit in this thread... hahah, I gotz jokez.
I think the main points are: Watch out for pathogens, and make sure the "end" product has decayed or processed so that its considered humus and its not manure anymore. I dont consider a bag of aged manure a proper fertilizer, It would go through a hot compost pile and would only be an amendment to raise the organic matter of soil. I think the whole point of amending, is to increase the effectiveness of your fertilizer. The need for N totally changes depending on how much organic matter you have. Off the top of my head is 5% organic matter incorporated into your soil volume will only require about .2 lb of N, per 100 sq ft for most crops.
hahah, I gotz jokez.I think the main points are: Watch out for pathogens, and make sure the "end" product has decayed or processed so that its considered humus and its not manure anymore. I dont consider a bag of aged manure a proper fertilizer, It would go through a hot compost pile and would only be an amendment to raise the organic matter of soil. I think the whole point of amending, is to increase the effectiveness of your fertilizer. The need for N totally changes depending on how much organic matter you have. Off the top of my head is 5% organic matter incorporated into your soil volume will only require about .2 lb of N, per 100 sq ft for most crops.
MistaRasta
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"Bacteria? Fungi's? I don't care about that, there's no nutes in my shit! ..Minerals? From rock dust and kelp? That's crap!
Gotta have my cal-mag in my shit! Along with all my npk's..all the coolest stoners tell me that phosphorous is the key
So I'll dump a 55% solution of beastie budzzz on poorly made organic compost that took a half year to make to give it a boost."
why?
Rasta Roy
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Lmao you're killing me bro! Definitely a great reminder of why I grow my own. You never know what these dudes throw in their soil! Composting deer? I live in Michigan and grew up around deer hunters. I have never heard of someone composting deer carcasses before. And then you use that on vegetables that people eat? Cannabis that people smoke? Grossss. I would rather use miracle gro.
MistaRasta
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Heh, Natures intentions..
Their are Deer hunters everywhere. Their are also dead deer everywhere. Doesn't mean you should go putting that in your compost by any means.
I just find it HILARIOUS that the guy is a farmer, a 'licensed composter' and calls rock dusts and kelp crap. Then turns around and says 'I tried beastie bloomzzz for a boost.'
I was done by that point. Any idiot who would call kelp crap then turn around and pour beastie bloomzzz in their plants need to read a fucking book.
Doesnt matter how big your property is if you have a tiny brain
Rasta Roy
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@MistaRasta
Considering some of the products that OMRI lists as organically certified I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised.
But what do we know? Maybe that's how you make the deer weed in grandma's boy lol
We'll go to the loony bin together bro I don't give a fuck!
Considering some of the products that OMRI lists as organically certified I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised.
But what do we know? Maybe that's how you make the deer weed in grandma's boy lol
We'll go to the loony bin together bro I don't give a fuck!
Crab Pot
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Nice looking piles @420God. I bet that is some good compost. I personally think it's a good idea to be using the carcasses, like you mentioned, better than a landfill. Do you lab test the compost?
I would strongly recommend using the compost in a Coot type mix. Something like this:
1/3 compost
1/3 peat moss
1/3 lava rock/pumice
Add the following per cu/ft:
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup neem seed meal
1/2 cup crab meal
1 cup oyster shell meal
1 cup gypsum
2 cups basalt rock dust
Now you won't need any Beastie Bloom
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Yodaweed
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Add some green sand to that mix for some silica.Nice looking piles @420God. I bet that is some good compost. I personally think it's a good idea to be using the carcasses, like you mentioned, better than a landfill. Do you lab test the compost?
I would strongly recommend using the compost in a Coot type mix. Something like this:
1/3 compost
1/3 peat moss
1/3 lava rock/pumice
Add the following per cu/ft:
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup neem seed meal
1/2 cup crab meal
1 cup oyster shell meal
1 cup gypsum
2 cups basalt rock dust
Now you won't need any Beastie Bloom
MistaRasta
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Nice looking piles @420God. I bet that is some good compost. I personally think it's a good idea to be using the carcasses, like you mentioned, better than a landfill. Do you lab test the compost?
I would strongly recommend using the compost in a Coot type mix. Something like this:
1/3 compost
1/3 peat moss
1/3 lava rock/pumice
Add the following per cu/ft:
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup neem seed meal
1/2 cup crab meal
1 cup oyster shell meal
1 cup gypsum
2 cups basalt rock dust
Now you won't need any Beastie Bloom
But he doesn't 'buy by the pound, he buys in tons.' If you look back at the previous posts he mentions buying a truckload of blood/bone meal.
This guy ain't swayin' ..
He already told me majority of the stuff that both you and I listed were crap..
Ya know, I wouldn't say it's wrong to compost meat in anyway shape or form. I would just say there's much cleaner less pathenogenic ways of going about this..Introducing bio-diversity is the key, but acidic things like blood meal and even fish meal make me cringe personally. All he needs to do is make a large sum of leaf mold.. It would be cheaper than anything he's doing. But what do I know? I use Crap!
Same reason I don't use commercial chicken manure. Majority that's on the market are all fed with meat by-products from slaughter factories..
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MistaRasta
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Silica sand is what's used in greensand, but it takes a very long time for these minerals to break down and become available. About 6-7 years. Use potassium silicate, not omri, but neither are our minerals
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Not to mention, omri isn't a very reliable label printer
MistaRasta
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Yodaweed
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I don't know what silica sand is but green sand is a natural deposit of fossilized marine life, most of it comes from new jersey.
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Rasta Roy
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@MistaRasta has the right of it with potassium silicate. I use silicate shield from Green Wizard Nutrients in my commercial garden, it doesn't mess with your soil microbes and I only apply every 1 out of 3 waterings at half the recommended dosage. So it carries pretty far. Theyre a small Michigan company so you'd probably have to order it online, there's lots of silicate products out there though that work well I'm sure. You don't really need to over do it and overdose yourself on potassium.
GrowerGoneWild
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Whats the deal with using greensand? Plant or animal sources are usually the best source of PK.. Most greensand I've seen isn't fine enough to work, you need a very fine grind for it to work. And if you're not running soil thats acidic, you will not see any benefits of PK from greensand.