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GoRealUhGro

GoRealUhGro

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That's kinda what I figured ...I really don't Muda handling animal shit lol...bats..cows ...chickens...I meenjoy I don't like breathing in the dust or rubbing it all over me but I grew up with animals and my paps a farmer so...what I am going to do is ask the farmers I get my sheep and cow shit from when was the last time they gave them shots or something...if it was recently I'ma leave it till next time
 
GrowerGoneWild

GrowerGoneWild

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Rasta Roy said:
I would avoid soft rock phosphate in your soil mixes, it contains metals that store in trichomes and get ingested by you.
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Id still use it if a heavy metals report shows nothing unusual, if I was to throw out fertilizers based with any heavy metal content, I couldn't work with much. Kelp has it, Fish Emulsions, Hydros. Have it, evaluate fertilizer before use. I dont think its anything to be worried about, but that's up to the grower. But the point is moot with me anyways, I prefer plant based P&K. And I prefer to make P&K available using vermicompost and or compost.
 
MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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Yodaweed said:
I just don't understand why someone would go through all the work to do organic than pour salt based chemicals on their grow, that's not organic. Better off just not using that product if you cant source it from a good organic source instead of a chemical made in a lab.
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@Rasta Roy
I've had this discussion with many on the topic..All the 'purists' wont use agsil16h because of potassium carbonate.

Which is understandable, potassium carbonate has been stripped down and is indefinitely in its final salt form- as the hydro-heaven likes to call it- Potash!

A little info..

Potassium - 32%
Silica (SiO2) - 52.8%
0.7 grams in 1 gallon of water yields 49 ppm Potassium and 98 ppm SiO2 [or 46 ppm of Si]

To convert these amounts to percentage;
49 ~ 10,000 = 0.0049% Potassium
98 ~ 10,000 = 0.0098% Silicon

For Agsil 16 we can therefore state that;
0.7 grams in 1 gallon = 0.0049% K & 0.0098% SiO2


Given this percentage of potash, I've concluded that I'd definitely need to worry more about what's in my tap water, soft rock phosphate, or azomite..

Yoda, rice collects a great abundance of silica. Using the hulls in your mix will give you a good alternative as well.
 
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MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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Yodaweed said:
And there is a reason I don't use any of that crap, if it comes in a bottle its usually not good for organics(besides molasses). You are using synthetic fertilizers in your organic mix, so it is not organic. I would rather not have silicate (you don't need it to grow weed I grew fine for years without it) than use synthetic fertilizers and compromise all the work I put into my grow to make it organic. If you are ok with ingesting lab made chemicals go for it, but I am not. Potassium silicate that's made in a lab is made by chemical reaction aka its a synthetic chemical. Same exact thing as pouring 3 part general hydroponic solution on your grow, you are KILLING the microbes, this is SALT based just like hydroponic nutrients.
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From ams


"From a purely agronomic perspective, potassium silicate appears to be compatible with sustainable agriculture. Si in the soil is continuously removed via crop uptake and by leaching due to desilication processes. There is significant evidence to support the claim that silicon amendments are highly beneficial in some agroecosystems. In addition, the substance contains no persistent or environmentally toxic metabolites, and it appears to pose little risk based on its historical use as a food additive and its chemical similarity to sodium silicate, a GRAS substance.

However, organic law generally does not tolerate the listing of soil amendments that are not naturally occurring in the form that they are used. While the National List allows the use of some synthetic silica-based fertilizers (§205.601(j)(6)(ii)), they are allowed only as micronutrient amendments as a means to deliver trace metals."
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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@MistaRasta I've gone back and fourth with a couple of "purists" myself. I just don't see a reason to put limitations on what I use. If it's a terrible product that is ruining my soil and negatively affecting the quality of my end product of course I'm not gonna use it. But if I got word from a professor of Agriculture at MSU that it's not going to disrupt my soil microbes or effect the health of anyone consuming my final product, I'm gonna go for it. Not just turn it down based on principal.

And yeah like you said...there's more things to worry about in your tap water lol.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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MistaRasta said:
@Rasta Roy
I've had this discussion with many on the topic..All the 'purists' wont use agsil16h because of potassium carbonate.

Which is understandable, potassium carbonate has been stripped down and is indefinitely in its final salt form- as the hydro-heaven likes to call it- Potash!

A little info..

Potassium - 32%
Silica (SiO2) - 52.8%
0.7 grams in 1 gallon of water yields 49 ppm Potassium and 98 ppm SiO2 [or 46 ppm of Si]

To convert these amounts to percentage;
49 ~ 10,000 = 0.0049% Potassium
98 ~ 10,000 = 0.0098% Silicon

For Agsil 16 we can therefore state that;
0.7 grams in 1 gallon = 0.0049% K & 0.0098% SiO2


Given this percentage of potash, I've concluded that I'd definitely need to worry more about what's in my tap water, soft rock phosphate, or azomite..

Yoda, rice collects a great abundance of silica. Using the hulls in your mix will give you a good alternative as well.
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I use rice hulls already :), looking into horse tail grass. Thanks for the info. I use rice hulls, black lava rock and pumice for aeration with a little vermiculite.
 
Yodaweed

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Rasta Roy said:
@MistaRasta I've gone back and fourth with a couple of "purists" myself. I just don't see a reason to put limitations on what I use. If it's a terrible product that is ruining my soil and negatively affecting the quality of my end product of course I'm not gonna use it. But if I got word from a professor of Agriculture at MSU that it's not going to disrupt my soil microbes or effect the health of anyone consuming my final product, I'm gonna go for it. Not just turn it down based on principal.

And yeah like you said...there's more things to worry about in your tap water lol.
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Here's a water quality report from my water supplier. This is well water from Colorado :) , how good is the quality? Average PPMs out the tap are around 250ppm. PH stable around 6.5.
 
MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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Yodaweed said:
I use rice hulls already :), looking into horse tail grass. Thanks for the info. I use rice hulls, black lava rock and pumice for aeration with a little vermiculite.
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No problem man, I want you to use whatever you want to use. That being said, greensand just isn't going to show you result for a very very long time,but if you want to wait 4 years to start seeing the effects of your silica and pottassium that's cool too.

If you're ever so inclined, And would like some 'super instant' silica without paying 100$ for a 1/2 cup (fucking seriously?) of something that was indeed made in a lab, make an fpe out of horsetail. Like I said, it's around 23% silica so you'll see major result. Top dressing it on your pots or worm bin is what is ultimately suggest though. Much more comes with this.


-a little off topic, but you were right about yield potential on the golden lemons. I have a straight up lemon skunk pheno that's going to yield bigger than any blue dream I've ever ran. Super sticky, with a pretty nice smell so far. I'm only about 4 weeks in but her tops are already baseballs. My kosher dominant phenos are out of this world though..insane! How was the smoke from your pheno?
 
MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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Rasta Roy said:
@MistaRasta I've gone back and fourth with a couple of "purists" myself. I just don't see a reason to put limitations on what I use. If it's a terrible product that is ruining my soil and negatively affecting the quality of my end product of course I'm not gonna use it. But if I got word from a professor of Agriculture at MSU that it's not going to disrupt my soil microbes or effect the health of anyone consuming my final product, I'm gonna go for it. Not just turn it down based on principal.

And yeah like you said...there's more things to worry about in your tap water lol.
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When I first got into organics things were a lot different. I've definitely evolved in many ways along with my garden. The purist mindset is a good one to have, as were all striving in 'organics' to grow the cleanest medicine possible.

I can without a doubt, say that after 3 years of using agsil16h I see no negative effect on my soil that I've been cycling.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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MistaRasta said:
No problem man, I want you to use whatever you want to use. That being said, greensand just isn't going to show you result for a very very long time,but if you want to wait 4 years to start seeing the effects of your silica and pottassium that's cool too.

If you're ever so inclined, And would like some 'super instant' silica without paying 100$ for a 1/2 cup (fucking seriously?) of something that was indeed made in a lab, make an fpe out of horsetail. Like I said, it's around 23% silica so you'll see major result. Top dressing it on your pots or worm bin is what is ultimately suggest though. Much more comes with this.


-a little off topic, but you were right about yield potential on the golden lemons. I have a straight up lemon skunk pheno that's going to yield bigger than any blue dream I've ever ran. Super sticky, with a pretty nice smell so far. I'm only about 4 weeks in but her tops are already baseballs. My kosher dominant phenos are out of this world though..insane! How was the smoke from your pheno?
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Very spicy smoke, yielded 14oz+ off one plant, primo cash cropping strain. Good daytime high.
 
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