SisterMaryElephant
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That was stupid and wrong that last time you tried that too..
Ron Paul for... Vice President?
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sync0s
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How does that refute the inequality?
Beyond that, how is it the governments right to limit the choices of people one can get married to?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
how so?
you argue that gays have the same rights to marriage as long as they 'paint themselves straight' by marrying someone of the opposite gender.
by that logic, blacks have always had the same rights as white people as long as they 'paint themselves white'.
it is ridiculous michelle bachmann logic.
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
Calling it inequality doesn't make it so. Marriage is between a man and a woman therefore it's equal if a gay man can marry a woman like a straight man can. It's true that gay couples should be able to get the same societal benefits as married couples therefore civil unions would provide that without redefinign marriage.
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
It's wrong because a gay man doesn't have to pretend to be straight to marry a woman. They just have to be willing and pass a blood test.
sync0s
Well-Known Member
The only way I would agree with you is if the government completely stepped away from marriage and did, as you call it, 'civil unions' apply to all sexual orientations. If the institution of marriage still existed with exclusivity to straights, civil unions or not, than it is inherently not equal.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
a blood test? what the fuck are you talking about?
how about we give civil unions to the straight people and give marriage to the gays. is that still equal?
i mean, as a heterosexual, you could still get married, you would just have to get married to someone of the same sex. otherwise, you'd only get a civil union if you wanted to marry an opposite sex partner.
sounds fair to me.
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
I've already explained to you mental midgets that a gay man has the EXACT same right to marry a woman as a straight man does. That's equal. If people said that a gay man couldn;t marry a woman becasue he's gay that would be discrimibnation.
Stop trying to use "Liberace" logic. (see how stupid your "michelle bachmann logic" line is now?)
sync0s
Well-Known Member
That is one thing I disagree with Ron Paul on and agree with you.
I'd love to see the government out of marriage, but government responsibilities (namely property rights) are called upon during things like death. Therefore, to protect someone's right to give their partner power of attorney over life-ending decisions it is in the governments responsibility to have some institution of marriage and that institution, like the rest of the government, must be equal regardless of majority opinion. This was explicitly expressed by the founders that the basic rights and equality of the minority must be defended by the government even if it goes against majority opinion.
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
A blood test is required in most, if not all, states to get a marriage licence.
deprave
New Member
thats not really disagreeing with Ron Paul...If its unconstitutional then the states couldn't do it..Ron Paul simply says the Federal Government should be out of it...but he also says anyone should be able to get married..there you go 10th amendment + 14th amendment...Gay Marriage is legal..Ron Paul wants us to follow the constitution...pretty simple basic principle we stood by for more than half of our history.
It is how we learn about america growing up as a child, then we come to find out its not really true.
It is how we learn about america growing up as a child, then we come to find out its not really true.
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
Because he's a social liberal...
sync0s
Well-Known Member
In a way your right, but I'm disagreeing with his view that it should be left to the states to decide marriage.
deprave
New Member
well, Ron Paul would hope they would do the right constitutional thing just as he would be doing the constitutional thing as to let the states decide. I think they would to be honest...Lets get Ron Paul and the Libertarian youth to run these Republicans out of town eh?
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
Right now federal law (DOMA) supports traditional marriage and the SCOTUS will be deciding the states right/14th arguments. I hope that it's decided soon but it may not make it before the election...
sync0s
Well-Known Member
It's apparent though that we can't trust anyone to do the right thing when the constitution comes to mind.
deprave
New Member
Is this a negative thing for you or something? Or is that a compliment?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
we didn't even have to provide identification to get married here.
we must live in one of those states where you can marry your cousin, but not a same sex partner.