ChesusRice
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Quick. how much do you think union dues are a month?And no he doesnt get a percentage of dues. he gets a salary that the members vote on
RIP Hostess
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nontheist
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Both should be paid far more that a fucking twinkle stuffer or bumper stacker. I bet they don't though.
um, that's actually EXACTLY who it falls to.
Johnny Retro
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Dude, like so hard. It takes an incredible amount of knowledge to put 2 parts flower, 1 part sugar and 1 part yeast. Its not like I learned that when I was 7 years old. Its a hard thing to grasp.
ChesusRice
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Your arrogance has been noted
Johnny Retro
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http://www.unionfacts.com/article/political-money/
Every day, millions of union members have money taken from their paychecks to support some union presidents’ political agenda. In 1996, Rutgers economics professor Leo Troy estimated that union political expenditures totaled about $500 million in each election cycle. More recently, the National Institute for Labor Relations Research estimated that total union political expenditures reached $925 million in the 2004 cycle. Over time, this has added up: According to The Center for Responsive Politics, eight of the top ten all-time political contributors are labor unions.
nice argument. you got nothing. just like all the hostess workers.
FOUR20 SWG
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Would it upset you if your boss wanted to put you on a comparable payscale to people who work in 3rd World-style sweatshops?
Would it bother you if your boss wanted you to take a paycut while he got a raise and did a shit-job at what his position in the company (hence the company can't keep itself open)..
Would you feel it was fair if you worked your whole life with the promise of a pension as a nestegg, then come to find out that the people who were looking out for it have actually pocketed it and want to lay you off right around the start of the Holiday Season?
Are you immune to these kind of things or would you try and find someway to express your anger? Like a strike??
insults and name calling. looks like you're backed into a corner.
why not just look out for yourself, instead of relying on others? better your education and become ones of those who is above the others. unless you've been living under a rock you should be aware that these situations occur. and they occur quite often. this is nothing new.
FOUR20 SWG
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Sheldon Adelson. How much did he donate to political causes?
You'll notice he was in favor of candidates who have made a history of being anti-union and Pro-Wall Street.
There's money flowing in from all sides. That's politics, kid.
Want a change? Rally for campaign finance reform like every American who doesn't want to see a corporate stake in the election of their officials.
i have NO bills in prison. they feed me, they clothe me, they do my laundry, i will be receiving free medical and dental care. everything i need is provided for me. i have committed a crime and am being punished. why should i expect anything more? feel entitled much?
and it's actually 30 cents an hour. the fact that you have to exaggerate only proves how invalid your complaint really is.
Johnny Retro
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Comparable pay scale to 3rd world sweatshops? Did you just pull that out of your ass?
And I agree the CEO should not have taken a pay raise. BUT ITS HIS COMPANY. Where do you have the right to tell him what he can and cannot do with HIS company.
I rely on myself for my retirement. I have no pension and no guaranteed salary. Who do I complain too?
If these people were so concerned with the holidays coming up they would not have struck knowing good and well they company was going to close down.
Now there are 15000 people out of work. And if someone buys up the company THERE WILL BE NO MORE UNION. No one will buy that company with the obligations it had. Period. So now you are left worse off then you were.
Its called intelligence and rationality. Which doesn't seem to equate with mob rule.
Antidisestablishmentarian
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So where does the money come from that he is paid with? It couldn't be the union member dues now could it?
So yeah, i would think they do get a percentage of the dues.
FOUR20 SWG
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How very Darwinian of you.
And if enough people adhere to the creedo of "All for one, none for all!" watch how quickly society deteriorates.
The only thing common here is the audacious greed of corporate executives in the face of 18,000+ jobs being lost at a time when we can ill-afford to see them go. Why? Because MANAGEMENT didn't think it was their responsibility to lead the company in a direction that was outside of their own self interest and gain.
Johnny Retro
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Did Sheldon Adelson make his money from taking a % out of someones paycheck THAT HE DOES NOT EVEN EMPLOY. Union leaders do not employ ANYONE. They are scum who feed of their workers. And for some reason you think they are the golden boy because they give the green light to strike here and there.
ChesusRice
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In July of 2011 we received a letter from the company. It said that the $3+ per hour that we as a Union contribute to the pension was going to be 'borrowed' by the company until they could be profitable again. Then they would pay it all back. The Union was notified of this the same time and method as the individual members. No contact from the company to the Union on a national level. This money will never be paid back. The company filed for bankruptcy and the judge ruled that the $3+ per hour was a debt the company couldn't repay. The Union continued to work despite this theft of our self-funded pension contributions for over a year. I consider this money stolen. No other word in the English language describes what they have done to this money.
ChesusRice
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After securing our hourly cash from the bankruptcy judge they set out on getting approval to force a new contract on us. They had already refused to negotiate outside of court. They received approval from the judge to impose the contract then turned it over to the Union for a vote. You read that right, they got it approved by the judge before ever showing to the Union. What was this last/best/final offer? You'd never know by watching the main stream media tell the story. So here you go... 1) 8% hourly pay cut in year 1 with additional cuts totaling 27% over 5 years. Currently, I make $16.12 an hour at TOP rate of pay in the bakery. I would drop to $11.26 in 5 years. 2) They get to keep our $3+ an hour forever. 3) Doubling of weekly insurance premium. 4) Lowering of overall quality of insurance plan. 5) TOTAL withdrawal from ALL pensions. If you don't have it now then you never will.
so go work for someone else. or start your own business. or simply file unemployment. maybe go back to school while looking for a new job. or just claim "victim".