RIP Hostess

FOUR20 SWG

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
So where does the money come from that he is paid with? It couldn't be the union member dues now could it?

So yeah, i would think they do get a percentage of the dues.
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Their salary is decided by the union, not themselves.

Union dues are in place to allow a union to be self-sufficient.

Unionized does not mean Mafia. These guys aren't millionaires for the most part.

You know who is? The executives that pay for these bogus newangles to make you guys think it's un-American to be Pro-Union.

Fact of the matter?

This nation would not have crested the wave of the Industrial Revolution in the style we did if it were not for the blood, sweat, and toil of Unionized Labor.
 
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ChesusRice

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After securing our hourly cash from the bankruptcy judge they set out on getting approval to force a new contract on us. They had already refused to negotiate outside of court. They received approval from the judge to impose the contract then turned it over to the Union for a vote. You read that right, they got it approved by the judge before ever showing to the Union. What was this last/best/final offer? You'd never know by watching the main stream media tell the story. So here you go... 1) 8% hourly pay cut in year 1 with additional cuts totaling 27% over 5 years. Currently, I make $16.12 an hour at TOP rate of pay in the bakery. I would drop to $11.26 in 5 years. 2) They get to keep our $3+ an hour forever. 3) Doubling of weekly insurance premium. 4) Lowering of overall quality of insurance plan. 5) TOTAL withdrawal from ALL pensions. If you don't have it now then you never will.What an awesome deal
 
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fdd2blk

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FOUR20 SWG said:
Their salary is decided by the union, not themselves. Union dues are in place to allow a union to be self-sufficient. Unionized does not mean Mafia. These guys aren't millionaires for the most part. You know who is? The executives that pay for these bogus newangles to make you guys think it's un-American to be Pro-Union. Fact of the matter? This nation would not have crested the wave of the Industrial Revolution in the style we did if it were not for the blood, sweat, and toil of Unionized Labor.
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hostess is closed, and they were union. :-/ the union can't save everyone.
 
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fdd2blk said:
so go work for someone else. or start your own business. or simply file unemployment. maybe go back to school while looking for a new job. or just claim "victim".
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Alot of these people took these jobs in the first place because they represent the only gainful employment in the area.

After the GM and Alcoa plants closed backhome, the area died. Literally. The whole area is a shell now because of greedy corporate execs.

Most people don't have the option to look for work or go back to school. They are too busy trying to put food on the table for their families.

And unemployment? Wouldn't that make them one of the "victims" you mention at the end of that little enlightened vignette?

What is it that you do for employment?
 
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ChesusRice

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fdd2blk said:
hostess is closed, and they were union. :-/ the union can't save everyone.
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What was this last/best/final offer? You'd never know by watching the main stream media tell the story. So here you go... 1) 8% hourly pay cut in year 1 with additional cuts totaling 27% over 5 years. Currently, I make $16.12 an hour at TOP rate of pay in the bakery. I would drop to $11.26 in 5 years. 2) They get to keep our $3+ an hour forever. 3) Doubling of weekly insurance premium. 4) Lowering of overall quality of insurance plan. 5) TOTAL withdrawal from ALL pensions. If you don't have it now then you never will. Remember how I said I made $48,000 in 2005 and $34,000 last year? I would make $25,000 in 5 years if I took their offer. It will be hard to replace the job I had, but it will be easy to replace the job they were trying to give me. That $3+ per hour they steal totaled $50 million last year that they never paid us. They sold $2.5 BILLION in product last year. If they can't make this profitable without stealing my money then good riddance.
 
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fdd2blk said:
hostess is closed, and they were union. :-/ the union can't save everyone.
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Hostess is dead. And her blood is on the hands of the Executives.

The same people who expected raises while everyone else took paycuts.

Who wanted to cut benefits when they were making 6-figs.

That is where the blame lies. Not on the people who were making middle-class income and refused to make less for the same days' work.
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

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FOUR20 SWG said:
Their salary is decided by the union, not themselves.

Union dues are in place to allow a union to be self-sufficient.

Unionized does not mean Mafia. These guys aren't millionaires for the most part.

You know who is? The executives that pay for these bogus newangles to make you guys think it's un-American to be Pro-Union.

Fact of the matter?

This nation would not have crested the wave of the Industrial Revolution in the style we did if it were not for the blood, sweat, and toil of Unionized Labor.
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So then the leaders do get a percentage of the dues. Thanks for agreeing.
 
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FOUR20 SWG said:
Hostess is dead. And her blood is on the hands of the Executives.

The same people who expected raises while everyone else took paycuts.

Who wanted to cut benefits when they were making 6-figs.

That is where the blame lies. Not on the people who were making middle-class income and refused to make less for the same days' work.
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If there was no strike, would the hostess plants still be open? Yes or no.
 
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fdd2blk

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FOUR20 SWG said:
Alot of these people took these jobs in the first place because they represent the only gainful employment in the area. After the GM and Alcoa plants closed backhome, the area died. Literally. The whole area is a shell now because of greedy corporate execs. Most people don't have the option to look for work or go back to school. They are too busy trying to put food on the table for their families. And unemployment? Wouldn't that make them one of the "victims" you mention at the end of that little enlightened vignette? What is it that you do for employment?
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i'm a welder. i make GOOD money. we build million dollar wineries. all 3 of us. been doing it for 10 years now. i took a 20% pay cut recently because "times are tough". when things pick up my boss will give it back, plus more. i know who i work for and i know what to expect. i knew from day 1. there are no surprises and i understand how the world turns. i have NO complaints. :cool:
 
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fdd2blk

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ChesusRice said:
What was this last/best/final offer? You'd never know by watching the main stream media tell the story. So here you go... 1) 8% hourly pay cut in year 1 with additional cuts totaling 27% over 5 years. Currently, I make $16.12 an hour at TOP rate of pay in the bakery. I would drop to $11.26 in 5 years. 2) They get to keep our $3+ an hour forever. 3) Doubling of weekly insurance premium. 4) Lowering of overall quality of insurance plan. 5) TOTAL withdrawal from ALL pensions. If you don't have it now then you never will. Remember how I said I made $48,000 in 2005 and $34,000 last year? I would make $25,000 in 5 years if I took their offer. It will be hard to replace the job I had, but it will be easy to replace the job they were trying to give me. That $3+ per hour they steal totaled $50 million last year that they never paid us. They sold $2.5 BILLION in product last year. If they can't make this profitable without stealing my money then good riddance.
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"good riddance", after the WHINING stops. lol
 
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fdd2blk

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FOUR20 SWG said:
Hostess is dead. And her blood is on the hands of the Executives. The same people who expected raises while everyone else took paycuts. Who wanted to cut benefits when they were making 6-figs. That is where the blame lies. Not on the people who were making middle-class income and refused to make less for the same days' work.
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do you think it bothers them? did you ever? were you won over by a cool story when you filled out your application? what were people expecting? look around, this is how things work. it's nothing new.
 
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ChesusRice

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fdd2blk said:
"good riddance", after the WHINING stops. lol
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In 2005 it was another contract year and this time there was no way out of concessions. The Union negotiated a deal that would save the company $150 million a year in labor. It was a tough internal battle to get people to vote for it. We turned it down twice. Finally the Union told us it was in our best interest and something had to give. So many of us, including myself, changed our votes and took the offer. Remember that next time you see CEO Rayburn on tv stating that we haven't sacrificed for this company. The company then emerged from bankruptcy. In 2005 before concessions I made $48,000, last year I made $34,000. My pay changed dramatically but at least I was still contributing to my self-funded pension.In July of 2011 we received a letter from the company. It said that the $3+ per hour that we as a Union contribute to the pension was going to be 'borrowed' by the company until they could be profitable again. Then they would pay it all back. The Union was notified of this the same time and method as the individual members. No contact from the company to the Union on a national level.This money will never be paid back. The company filed for bankruptcy and the judge ruled that the $3+ per hour was a debt the company couldn't repay. The Union continued to work despite this theft of our self-funded pension contributions for over a year. I consider this money stolen. No other word in the English language describes what they have done to this money.
 
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fdd2blk

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ChesusRice said:
In 2005 it was another contract year and this time there was no way out of concessions. The Union negotiated a deal that would save the company $150 million a year in labor. It was a tough internal battle to get people to vote for it. We turned it down twice. Finally the Union told us it was in our best interest and something had to give. So many of us, including myself, changed our votes and took the offer. Remember that next time you see CEO Rayburn on tv stating that we haven't sacrificed for this company. The company then emerged from bankruptcy. In 2005 before concessions I made $48,000, last year I made $34,000. My pay changed dramatically but at least I was still contributing to my self-funded pension.In July of 2011 we received a letter from the company. It said that the $3+ per hour that we as a Union contribute to the pension was going to be 'borrowed' by the company until they could be profitable again. Then they would pay it all back. The Union was notified of this the same time and method as the individual members. No contact from the company to the Union on a national level.This money will never be paid back. The company filed for bankruptcy and the judge ruled that the $3+ per hour was a debt the company couldn't repay. The Union continued to work despite this theft of our self-funded pension contributions for over a year. I consider this money stolen. No other word in the English language describes what they have done to this money.
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and 7 years later .. still punching in to the same time clock. who's stupid? :dunce:
 
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fdd2blk

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fdd2blk said:
i'm a welder. i make GOOD money. we build million dollar wineries. all 3 of us. been doing it for 10 years now. i took a 20% pay cut recently because "times are tough". when things pick up my boss will give it back, plus more. i know who i work for and i know what to expect. i knew from day 1. there are no surprises and i understand how the world turns. i have NO complaints. :cool:
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There's a difference between being part of a 3 man welding crew and a member of an 18,000+ workforce.

Your boss has to look you in the eye and pass this news on to you. He makes decisions that influence you and has to live among that.

The executives in charge of this company sit atop an ivory tower and play poverty while they rake in billions of dollars in profits. Meanwhile, right at the time of the year when things get most expensive, they decide that thousands of people should fend for themselves. Stealing pensions and breaking promises all the way.

How is that fair? Why should employees' have to suffer a paycut while the bosses get a payraise? Was this a tactic your boss used too or did he do the responsible thing and bear some of the burden himself?

You knew from day 1? Well guess what? Management of that company had probably been saying from day 1 that they would honor pensions and do right by employees. Doesn't seem like these people had the luxury of such stability that you were afforded because they were hoodwinked by a bunch of crooks in nicesuits.
 
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fdd2blk

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FOUR20 SWG said:
There's a difference between being part of a 3 man welding crew and a member of an 18,000+ workforce. Your boss has to look you in the eye and pass this news on to you. He makes decisions that influence you and has to live among that. The executives in charge of this company sit atop an ivory tower and play poverty while they rake in billions of dollars in profits. Meanwhile, right at the time of the year when things get most expensive, they decide that thousands of people should fend for themselves. Stealing pensions and breaking promises all the way. How is that fair? Why should employees' have to suffer a paycut while the bosses get a payraise? Was this a tactic your boss used too or did he do the responsible thing and bear some of the burden himself? You knew from day 1? Well guess what? Management of that company had probably been saying from day 1 that they would honor pensions and do right by employees. Doesn't seem like these people had the luxury of such stability that you were afforded because they were hoodwinked by a bunch of crooks in nicesuits.
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i'm not sure about everyone else, but i chose who i work for. ;)
 
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fdd2blk said:
i'm not sure about everyone else, but i chose who i work for. ;)
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Not everybody in this country was afforded the privileges you were.

For some, it's take it or nothing. Not take it or leave it.

So they either take the only job that's around, or else they end up in need of federal aid.

18,000 potential new recipients right there.

All because execs would rather line their pockets than honor their promises.
 
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