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medicineman

medicineman

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closet.cult said:
Exactly, Med.

If you are worried about the men's decency in capatalistic settings, then use the government to REGULATE the markets and protect it's people from the predators.

Dont use the government to TAKE OVER these markets. That doesn't make any sense at all.
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PLease tell me how the governments bought and paid for regulation of the medical market has helped the people. By eliminating the profit-mongers from medical by having a single payer system, all the greed could be eliminated. no more CEOs with multi-million dollar salaries cutting benefits and cancelling procedures (Operations), no more jacking the premiums every time they needed a raise, Jacking co-pays. No more consolidating med Companies to gain regional control and hold participants hostage to their rates and priveledges. If the Feds ran their national health care like VA, everyone could be covered with viable care for a lot less than the system costs now, plus those oligarchs could still have their esteemed medical care, they would just pay for it as before. The market would balance out with the greedy Dr.s competing for the oligarchs and the rest having to serve in the govt. program. I'm pretrty sure they could still make a decent living and all of their schooling would be paid for by the government for their future service. It can be worked out, as other countries have proven, and since we are ahead of the game in technology, at least for now, we could definently have the best of the best. Even a modest amount of Dr's are calling for an end to HMOs and Cheap Insurance companies that are denying benefits or restricting doctors care. As for the medical mal-practrice, it wouild be eliminated as there would be a government controlled insurance program that was funded by a % of your taxes to award money for damages caused by Mal-practice. Caps would be set and doctors would not have the expence of those predatory insurance companies. The problems are the insurance companies and the HMOs, they own the government And brainwash people like VI into believing that single payer is communism, ~LOL~, that is the mentality of the wannabees.
Read my exposures of the oligarchs and the plutocrats to see why there in no viable national health care program in the works.
 
closet.cult

closet.cult

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if you wont trust the government to simply regulate markets, protect the people by prosecuting the predators, how the hell can you trust them to take over the markets?

there is no logic with you.

the government is just as big a predator as capitalists. in fact, if we do live in a plutocracy, the government IS a capitalist. decreasing government is the only solution. all you keep advocating is increasing the government.

what dreamworld do you live in?
 
medicineman

medicineman

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closet.cult said:
if you wont trust the government to simply regulate markets, protect the people by prosecuting the predators, how the hell can you trust them to take over the markets?

there is no logic with you.

the government is just as big a predator as capitalists. in fact, if we do live in a plutocracy, the government IS a capitalist. decreasing government is the only solution. all you keep advocating is increasing the government.

what dreamworld do you live in?
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Duhhh, You would put doctors in charge of the National health care, not insurance execs. Establish a board of doctors to run the program and eliminate all former insurance CEOs and or employees of such organizations. Don't try and tell me it can't be done, 30++ other countries are doing it successfully. It is the only answer to achieve affordable comprehensive health care. Your phobia of the government is vastly overplayed in your posts. Don't listen to the media and the insurance companies, do a little research. It can and will be done eventually, get on board, you'll definently save money. It's not a young mans thing, I'll agree as you are probably healthy and dont see paying for old peoples health care, just remember that some day, if you are lucky, you'll be old and needy. Don't think they won't take your house and property to pay for medical if you get really sick, they will. Long term cancer care can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. And, insurance companies are always looking for a way around paying. That is the nature of their business, collect much and payout little, the stockholders demand it.
 
closet.cult

closet.cult

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i will never agree to adding one more bit of oversight, power, department of bearau to this empire untill it is brought under some kind of control by an administration who understands the intended role of the federal government. THAT is what has been lacking.

honestly, you MAY be right that a legitamate role could be granted to the government to insure that all its citizens have healthcare. but when it happens, conservatives will not be surprized when the federal government fucks it up royally by having huge expenditure overruns, corporate favoring and corruption/embezzlement scandals.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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closet.cult said:
i will never agree to adding one more bit of oversight, power, department of bearau to this empire untill it is brought under some kind of control by an administration who understands the intended role of the federal government. THAT is what has been lacking.

honestly, you MAY be right that a legitamate role could be granted to the government to insure that all its citizens have healthcare. but when it happens, conservatives will not be surprized when the federal government fucks it up royally by having huge expenditure overruns, corporate favoring and corruption/embezzlement scandals.
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That's exactly why you have to take the corporations out of it. No insurance companies, no corporate hospitals, Basically you have to nationalize the health care system and eliminate all forms of profit. Does it even make sense that there should be profit in health care, it seems like an oxymoron, health care and profit. Profit (controlled by Greed) dictates: charge more and care less. Sickness is not a choice like buying a new car. when you are sick, rich or poor, you need adequate medical care. I'm pretty sure an intelligent person as yourself can see this.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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Trillions in national debt is not enough! Quick ... let's let the government run health care so they can get it right and make it look like Waco and Katrina. Man, I can hardly wait!

Vi
 
mockingbird131313

mockingbird131313

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Clearly, small incremental changes in the structure would have profound affects of the system. The insurance companies are the real crack dealers here. We need some small changes to level the playing field so the markets will operate correctly.

For instance, why does an appendectomy cost dramatically different depending on the name of the doctor or the hospital? Why does a small business pay 3 times more for a service than a mega business pays?
 
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