canndo
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In our current political environment, I can't see it working. It almost seems as though health care reform is a given and the powers would rather have this cruddy but still profitable system than single payer.
PPACA upheld
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lifegoesonbrah
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Ron Paul statement:
"Today we should remember that virtually everything government does is a 'mandate.' The issue is not whether Congress can compel commerce by forcing you to buy insurance, or simply compel you to pay a tax if you don’t. The issue is that this compulsion implies the use of government force against those who refuse. The fundamental hallmark of a free society should be the rejection of force. In a free society, therefore, individuals could opt out of “Obamacare” without paying a government tribute.
"Those of us in Congress who believe in individual liberty must work tirelessly to repeal this national health care law and reduce federal involvement in healthcare generally. Obamacare can only increase third party interference in the doctor-patient relationship, increase costs, and reduce the quality of care. Only free market medicine can restore the critical independence of doctors, reduce costs through real competition and price sensitivity, and eliminate enormous paperwork burdens. Americans will opt out of Obamacare with or without Congress, but we can seize the opportunity today by crafting the legal framework to allow them to do so."
"Today we should remember that virtually everything government does is a 'mandate.' The issue is not whether Congress can compel commerce by forcing you to buy insurance, or simply compel you to pay a tax if you don’t. The issue is that this compulsion implies the use of government force against those who refuse. The fundamental hallmark of a free society should be the rejection of force. In a free society, therefore, individuals could opt out of “Obamacare” without paying a government tribute.
"Those of us in Congress who believe in individual liberty must work tirelessly to repeal this national health care law and reduce federal involvement in healthcare generally. Obamacare can only increase third party interference in the doctor-patient relationship, increase costs, and reduce the quality of care. Only free market medicine can restore the critical independence of doctors, reduce costs through real competition and price sensitivity, and eliminate enormous paperwork burdens. Americans will opt out of Obamacare with or without Congress, but we can seize the opportunity today by crafting the legal framework to allow them to do so."
chrishydro
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Bohner will move to repeal it on the 7th, it is on the slate. It then goes to the Senate and like I said, no one, will vote to increase your tax period. Not and ever expect to win another election. I dont get what you are saying??the vote happened 3 years ago... there is no new vote on this. Here is the only path to repeal: Republicans take the presidency... they hold on or increase their seats in the house... and they get 60 senators. best of luck.
londonfog
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Says the man who ran a race that he knew he was not going to win. Damn you Ron Paul for not running Independent..Is the Revolution dead ???
londonfog
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rotflmao@u
desert dude
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chrishydro
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When you get done laughing plz explain your last comment. Last I checked Congress can repeal any law on the books??? And for the Senate tell me which and who will vote to increase taxes???? Still dont get what you are saying.
londonfog
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so you think AHC will be repealed...lol... Care to wager ???
ginjawarrior
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lol the butt hurt is strong in this thread
desert dude
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The left commences divisive, racial hatred campaign. News at 1100
http://twitchy.com/2012/06/28/justice-thomas-dissents-left-hurls-vile-racial-slurs-house-nigga-uncle-tom/
http://twitchy.com/2012/06/28/justice-thomas-dissents-left-hurls-vile-racial-slurs-house-nigga-uncle-tom/
I noticed some of those comments ended with ...Douche.
desert dude
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That explains the absence of UncleBuck this morning.
UncleBuck
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actually, you're alone on that island with your fellow fox news consumers. most of us intelligent, informed liberals have known how the legislation is set to work for some time now. i've even been courteous enough to inform kids like you about the legislation for a while now.
lifegoesonbrah
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"if your condition requires an expensive treatment and they don't think that you are worth it a death panel will now decide if youget to live or not now thats huge and also in order to be able to be on this health plan you will be required to get a microchip or you won't be able to get the insurence and if you don't get the coverage you are in violation what a fuckin deal no wonder they exempted themselves wow!!!!"
Gotta love them info-warriors lulz
Gotta love them info-warriors lulz
canndo
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Yeah right
ChesusRice
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In FY 2012, the Administration mitigated dramatic increases in health care costs, but also launched major reform initiatives. Government health care programs faced unprecedented challenges brought on by the impact from the economic recession that drove caseload to historic peaks and increases in health care program costs. Despite these cost pressures, Massachusetts achieved ground-breaking progress in health care cost containment. For many of the state’s health care programs – Massachusetts Medicaid program (MassHealth), Commonwealth Care, the Group Insurance Commission (GIC), Municipal Health, and the Medical Security Program (MSP) – the current FY 2012 budget reflects bold changes to achieve significant cost savings while providing continued access to coverage and high-quality care. These programs are on track to reach nearly over $900 M in savings in FY2012 and going forward. Below are just a few examples of our major achievements in FY 2012:
- MassHealth – MassHealth is on track to achieve almost $588 M in savings through a variety of initiatives, including but not limited to rate restructuring, program integrity efforts, capitation cost control and payment strategies;
- Municipal Health – Municipal health care reform, signed into law by Governor Patrick in July 2011, is already helping municipalities achieve significant savings. The nine communities that have completed the new reform process as of January 15, 2012, have collectively saved more than $30 M– putting this reform on track to far exceed the initial estimate of $100 M for FY 2012 and going forward in savings for local governments statewide;
- Medical Security Plan – The competitive procurement for a new managed care insurance plan for unemployed individuals resulted in a 30% reduction in costs leading to a savings of $16 M in FY 2012 and an annual savings of $32 M;
- Commonwealth Care – A competitive procurement that provided incentives for all MCOs to improve their cost structures by rewarding aggressive, lower bids with membership allowed the Connector to accommodate projected enrollment increase with a flat budget (saving the program from growing by $80-$100 M); and
- Group Insurance Commission (GIC) – A new policy requiring employees to actively re-enroll in health insurance and incenting employees to switch to more cost effective limited network plans with three months premium holidays, led to $20-30 M in savings. In addition, GIC has seen utilization decline and has realized some savings related to that phenomenon in FY 2012
http://www.mass.gov/bb/h1/fy13h1/exec_13/hbudbrief4.htm
ink the world
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Why not take the word of the good people of Mass. about the program?
Highest level of insured people in the country. They like the program at a ratio of 3/1.
Might not be perfect, but its a hell of a lot better than the mess we have now
Highest level of insured people in the country. They like the program at a ratio of 3/1.
Might not be perfect, but its a hell of a lot better than the mess we have now
H R Puff N Stuff
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gotta love it !ChesusRice
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You are ommiting the fact that even before Roneycare Mass healrh costs were more than the rest of the USA and since Roneycare have actually come down. But that was accidental right?
In case anyone want to let facts get in the way....