Pope Francis Admits That A 'Gay Lobby' Influences The Vatican

cannabineer

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no point in even discussing with you, ignorance never changes, your mind will never change, youll never think any different.
pretty sad but thats how it works with people like you. you bolt doors shut because youre afraid to open up and deal with the fact that YOURE wrong, the fact that you need to change your views. but you never will, sad sad. thats okay though but theres no point in my wasting my time :)
The invocation of the word intend told the whole story. cn
 

sunni

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How about some people are just horny and choose to have sex with the same sex. Why does the reason have to be birth ?



I said it a few times already in this thread I have no issues with what gay , lez ect. do in their personal life. Only when adults feel march naked in front of kids in the name of rights. Or when kids are used as an agenda for rights . We should be letting kids be kids. Not pushing sex on them at an early age.
so what about pushing your views that being gay is wrong ?
is that not wrong?

children do not see the difference. I know this. first hand, my cousins see no difference between auntie jenny and zia allie, and their parents who are male and female. all they see is love . ONLY once they grow up and hear people like you bashing their LOVE will they ever have to make the opinion on whats "right " and "wrong".
The problem with you homophobics is that you say its wrong to push the views on children yet you do it yourselves.
 

NietzscheKeen

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I said it a few times already in this thread I have no issues with what gay , lez ect. do in their personal life. Only when adults feel march naked in front of kids in the name of rights. Or when kids are used as an agenda for rights . We should be letting kids be kids. Not pushing sex on them at an early age.
What are we debating again?
 

SHOTGUN420

Active Member
Theres steps further than that, each type of feminine hygiene has detailed descriptions including photos, faq's on the package. on how to use their products, and what happens with them
even questions like
"if i use a tampon am i still a virgin"
They even have help phone lines where you can speak to women if you feel more comfortable, theres also websites from the ALWAYS brand company for young girls to go on, and there they get a lot of information on their products, how to use them, again FAQ's and information on proper hygiene.
How is that better then a natural mother?
 

NietzscheKeen

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How is that better then a natural mother?
That's not what we were debating...
If THAT was what we were debating I would have opted for a simple pro and con list since we would be making an objective value judgment.

THIS is what we were debating... I had to go recheck because I honestly forgot, lol.

Can you prove to me its natural.
Can I give YOU the burden of proof for a moment?
Can you prove to me that marriage is natural?
Or that it is natural for there to be only two people in a relationship?
 

SHOTGUN420

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so what about pushing your views that being gay is wrong ?
is that not wrong?

children do not see the difference. I know this. first hand, my cousins see no difference between auntie jenny and zia allie, and their parents who are male and female. all they see is love . ONLY once they grow up and hear people like you bashing their LOVE will they ever have to make the opinion on whats "right " and "wrong".
The problem with you homophobics is that you say its wrong to push the views on children yet you do it yourselves.
I didn't say it was wrong I said 2 gay/lez parents adopting a child is unnatural post where I said its wrong and evil or whatever you claim I said.

Once again with the sad label. To be a phobic you have to fear something lmao I don't fear any homosexuals.

You read what you wanna read see what you wanna see take the time to read what I write or you don't deserve my reply.
 

SlaveNoMore

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To me the whole nature/natural falls under the category of "people are born homosexuals."

I think the religious side would say that if people are born homosexual then it must be a birth defect because the gene for homosexuality could not be passed on in a "natural" way through procreation.

It's hard to tell whether or not homosexuality is genetic. Children aren't born with gender awareness and it's not until they are 6-9 that sexuality becomes apparent. I think at some point though there is an attraction to either the opposite or same sex depending on the type of upbringing they have had. Either they express their homosexuality or keep it hidden.

Is it possible that there is a gay gene? Yes, but I think there are also environmental factors involved as well. I don't think it will be a question that will be answered for a very long time.
 

sunni

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I didn't say it was wrong I said 2 gay/lez parents adopting a child is unnatural post where I said its wrong and evil or whatever you claim I said.

Once again with the sad label. To be a phobic you have to fear something lmao I don't fear any homosexuals.

You read what you wanna read see what you wanna see take the time to read what I write or you don't deserve my reply.
its obvious youre a homophobic. you just deny it like you deny youre racist. if you just came out and said what you truly are i think i would accept it and leave you alone. but you deny , not sure why perhaps you feel ashamed of what you've grown up to become.
 

SHOTGUN420

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That's not what we were debating...
If THAT was what we were debating I would have opted for a simple pro and con list since we would be making an objective value judgment.

THIS is what we were debating... I had to go recheck because I honestly forgot, lol.



Can I give YOU the burden of proof for a moment?
Can you prove to me that marriage is natural?
Or that it is natural for there to be only two people in a relationship?
Marriage is healthy but I didn't bring it up. I said I don't care its up to the votes. Not my fight I don't care either way but I'm a bigot because I don't help their plan. A penis was made for a vagina is my opinion If that makes me a bigot then :lol:.
 

NietzscheKeen

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To me the whole nature/natural falls under the category of "people are born homosexuals."

I think the religious side would say that if people are born homosexual then it must be a birth defect because the gene for homosexuality could not be passed on in a "natural" way through procreation.

It's hard to tell whether or not homosexuality is genetic. Children aren't born with gender awareness and it's not until they are 6-9 that sexuality becomes apparent. I think at some point though there is an attraction to either the opposite or same sex depending on the type of upbringing they have had. Either they express their homosexuality or keep it hidden.

Is it possible that there is a gay gene? Yes, but I think there are also environmental factors involved as well. I don't think it will be a question that will be answered for a very long time.
I'm a biological determinist. I don't know if there is a gay gene. That has been debated and discussed by many people smarter than myself and I don't think they have come to any serious conclusions. It IS biologically determined and the question arises "is homosexuality adaptive or maladaptive"? We can think of reasons why homosexuality could be beneficial. It all comes down to passing your genes onto the next generation. That is our only purpose; our only reason for existence. We share many genes with our siblings. If one sibling is homosexual and never has children, that could give that individual the freedom to help support other children in the family or the family as a whole thus ensuring the passing on a genes albeit in a less traditional way.
 

NietzscheKeen

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its obvious youre a homophobic. you just deny it like you deny youre racist. if you just came out and said what you truly are i think i would accept it and leave you alone. but you deny , not sure why perhaps you feel ashamed of what you've grown up to become.
I think it's fair to say that one can disapprove of the actions of a group and not necessarily hate or fear that group.
 

UncleBuck

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Marriage is healthy but I didn't bring it up. I said I don't care its up to the votes. Not my fight I don't care either way but I'm a bigot because I don't help their plan. A penis was made for a vagina is my opinion If that makes me a bigot then :lol:.
there are far more compelling reasons as to why you're a bigot.
 

NietzscheKeen

Well-Known Member
Marriage is healthy but I didn't bring it up. I said I don't care its up to the votes. Not my fight I don't care either way but I'm a bigot because I don't help their plan. A penis was made for a vagina is my opinion If that makes me a bigot then :lol:.
Fair enough, you didn't mention marriage. My mistake. The debate was on whether it was natural for a homosexual couple to raise a child? Shit, this is confusing.
 

SlaveNoMore

Active Member
I'm a biological determinist. I don't know if there is a gay gene. That has been debated and discussed by many people smarter than myself and I don't think they have come to any serious conclusions. It IS biologically determined and the question arises "is homosexuality adaptive or maladaptive"? We can think of reasons why homosexuality could be beneficial. It all comes down to passing your genes onto the next generation. That is our only purpose; our only reason for existence. We share many genes with our siblings. If one sibling is homosexual and never has children, that could give that individual the freedom to help support other children in the family or the family as a whole thus ensuring the passing on a genes albeit in a less traditional way.
Yes, and homosexuality has been known and accepted for thousands of years and mostly among men, which is curious. You can look back to roman times or go into preliterate tribal cultures and it is always men that practice homosexuality or bisexuality to be exact. Of course these point to cultural conditioning or a way to control birth rates.

The fact that a member of a family is born homosexual in order to help support the children is interesting and makes sense. I have to think about it more.
 

SHOTGUN420

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Fair enough, you didn't mention marriage. My mistake. The debate was on whether it was natural for a homosexual couple to raise a child? Shit, this is confusing.
It is when idiots keep filling the thread with nonsense. ready for the speak for yourself reply? Go figure buck is here.
 

NietzscheKeen

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thanks for making it clear that you as well do not know the definition of homophobia.
I think it's fair to say that one can disapprove of the actions of a group and not necessarily hate or fear that group.
Homophobia-
World English Dictionary: intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality.
Random House Dictionary: unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
Merriam-Webster: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against.
Oxford Dictionary: an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

You should know better than to challenge me Buck... especially in perspicacious company such as this.
 
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