Pope Francis Admits That A 'Gay Lobby' Influences The Vatican

[NietzscheKeen]

Part of Shotgun's argument seemed to be that because a gay couple cannot conceive through "natural" means (i.e. intercourse), he is opposed to the idea of them adopting. I think that was what Neer was addressing.

I asked him to clarify. Give him a chance to respond.

 

[cannabineer]

Yes sex without the intent of procreation is natural . He bought a whole different thing into the subject. That's why I said I was going to debate with you and ignore most of them. You know how it is we couldn't even have a small group to have debates and disagreements without the name calling and word twisting.

Are you suggesting that sex without intent to procreate is in any way different from sex without the capacity to procreate? That one might need some explaining ... and i am diffident it can be done without recourse to a moral argument. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

You know how it is we couldn't even have a small group to have debates and disagreements without the name calling and word twisting.

it's difficult when everyone thinks they have the superior argument.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Yes sex without the intent of procreation is natural...

I'm sure we can agree it is both natural AND normal.

So you don't have an issue with people having sex for reasons other than procreation; this would include homosexual sex as well?

 

[SHOTGUN420]

I think a distinction needs to be made between "natural" and "normal". The language we are using can be a bit ambiguous. I foresee a great deal of equivocation, whether intentional or not, in the near future.

Normal:
conforming to the standard

Natural:
existing in or formed by nature ( opposed to artificial )

Do we agree upon these terms?

Natural is the way of nature the way it was intended.

Normal: in my mind is still a man and woman raising a kid. Some of the public is slowly conforming to the their standard. but also what is normal to me may differ from what is normal to someone else.


So I'd say we some what agree on the terms .

 

[SHOTGUN420]

I'm sure we can agree it is both natural AND normal.

So you don't have an issue with people having sex for reasons other than procreation; this would include homosexual sex as well?

Not one bit . As long as its not in front of kids.

 

[SHOTGUN420]

But how would 2 males doing the role of "mom and dad" talk to their pubescent daughter about her period , breasts developing , and female things in general? Shes going to need a lot of answers. google?

 

[sunni]

But how would 2 males doing the role of "mom and dad" talk to their pubescent daughter about her period , breasts developing , and female things in general? Shes going to need a lot of answers. google?

the same way a single father with a dead wife or a wife thats left would talk to his daughter.

 

[cannabineer]

Natural is the way of nature the way it was intended.

Normal: in my mind is still a man and woman raising a kid. Some of the public is slowly conforming to the their standard. but also what is normal to me may differ from what is normal to someone else.


So I'd say we some what agree on the terms .

Assigning intent to nature tips your hand. This is about religion. cn

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Natural is the way of nature the way it was intended.

Normal: in my mind is still a man and woman raising a kid. Some of the public is slowly conforming to the their standard. but also what is normal to me may differ from what is normal to someone else.


So I'd say we some what agree on the terms .

That raises the question of "what did nature intend". Does nature HAVE intentions?
I've cited 20 different journal articles which suggest that homosexuality is biologically determined i.e. by nature.
Either nature makes mistakes or nature intended for people to want to have sex with people of the same sex. Which is it?

Not one bit . As long as its not in front of kids.

Ok, I think we may be getting to the heart of the issue here.

 

[UncleBuck]

But how would 2 males doing the role of "mom and dad" talk to their pubescent daughter about her period , breasts developing , and female things in general? Shes going to need a lot of answers. google?

it's a good thing that we have someone like you to worry about things that are not a problem for anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

 

[SHOTGUN420]

the same way a single father with a dead wife or a wife thats left would talk to his daughter.

Normally in a scenario like that a grandmother , aunt , sister would be their stepping in as a helping hand.

But in this case jane has 2 male parents.

We can also go on this level your a female correct? when you got your first period who did you look too? did you go to your father your mother your or motherfather? Naturally a daughter would want her mother right? A women needs female guidance .

 

[UncleBuck]

Normally in a scenario like that a grandmother , aunt , sister would be their stepping in as a helping hand. But in this case jane has 2 male parents. We can also go on this level your a female correct? when you got your first period who did you look too? did you go to your father your mother your or motherfather? Naturally a daughter would want her mother right? A women needs female guidance .

are you unable to explain how a vagina works or something?

 

[sunni]

Normally in a scenario like that a grandmother , aunt , sister would be their stepping in as a helping hand.

But in this case jane has 2 male parents.

We can also go on this level your a female correct? when you got your first period who did you look too? did you go to your father your mother your or motherfather? Naturally a daughter would want her mother right? A women needs female guidance .

so what about a girl who has a father, and the rest of her family is dead, gone or not in touch (meaning aunt , sister, grandmother) im pretty sure jane can put on a maxi pad and speak to her father. parenting is parenting doesnt matter male or female, the subject is not ever comfortable from a female or a male. all that matters is that someone who loves you , teaches you.

and "normally" NOT ALWAYS will a grandmother, aunt ,sister would step in as a helping hand, there are PLENTY of single fathers who work with their female daughters and have a good relationship and are STILL able to help with female issues.

 

[sunni]

no point in even discussing with you, ignorance never changes, your mind will never change, youll never think any different.
pretty sad but thats how it works with people like you. you bolt doors shut because youre afraid to open up and deal with the fact that YOURE wrong, the fact that you need to change your views. but you never will, sad sad. thats okay though but theres no point in my wasting my time

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Normally in a scenario like that a grandmother , aunt , sister would be their stepping in as a helping hand.

I know this post wasn't intended for me, but allow me to respond.
It's called being a father; being a man. It doesn't just stop with cars, steaks, and lawnmowers. If you are a single parent you do what you have to do regardless of gender roles. I'm sure the two male parents would have a lot of female friends around that would be more than willing to teach the girl how to properly use a tampon.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Since we got interrupted, I'll repeat my last post:

Quote Originally Posted by SHOTGUN420 View Post

Natural is the way of nature the way it was intended.

Normal: in my mind is still a man and woman raising a kid. Some of the public is slowly conforming to the their standard. but also what is normal to me may differ from what is normal to someone else.

So I'd say we some what agree on the terms .
That raises the question of "what did nature intend". Does nature HAVE intentions?
I've cited 20 different journal articles which suggest that homosexuality is biologically determined i.e. by nature.
Either nature makes mistakes or nature intended for people to want to have sex with people of the same sex. Which is it?

Quote Originally Posted by SHOTGUN420 View Post

Not one bit . As long as its not in front of kids.
Ok, I think we may be getting to the heart of the issue here.

 

[sunni]

Normally in a scenario like that a grandmother , aunt , sister would be their stepping in as a helping hand.

I know this post wasn't intended for me, but allow me to respond.
It's called being a father; being a man. It doesn't just stop with cars, steaks, and lawnmowers. If you are a single parent you do what you have to do regardless of gender roles. I'm sure the two male parents would have a lot of female friends around that would be more than willing to teach the girl how to properly use a tampon.

Theres steps further than that, each type of feminine hygiene has detailed descriptions including photos, faq's on the package. on how to use their products, and what happens with them
even questions like
"if i use a tampon am i still a virgin"
They even have help phone lines where you can speak to women if you feel more comfortable, theres also websites from the ALWAYS brand company for young girls to go on, and there they get a lot of information on their products, how to use them, again FAQ's and information on proper hygiene.

 

[SHOTGUN420]

That raises the question of "what did nature intend". Does nature HAVE intentions?
I've cited 20 different journal articles which suggest that homosexuality is biologically determined i.e. by nature.
Either nature makes mistakes or nature intended for people to want to have sex with people of the same sex. Which is it?

How about some people are just horny and choose to have sex with the same sex. Why does the reason have to be birth ?

Ok, I think we may be getting to the heart of the issue here.

I said it a few times already in this thread I have no issues with what gay , lez ect. do in their personal life. Only when adults feel march naked in front of kids in the name of rights. Or when kids are used as an agenda for rights . We should be letting kids be kids. Not pushing sex on them at an early age.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Theres steps further than that, each type of feminine hygiene has detailed descriptions including photos, faq's on the package. on how to use their products, and what happens with them
even questions like
"if i use a tampon am i still a virgin"
They even have help phone lines where you can speak to women if you feel more comfortable, theres also websites from the ALWAYS brand company for young girls to go on, and there they get a lot of information on their products, how to use them, again FAQ's and information on proper hygiene.

That's how I learned how to use the Diva cup.