desert dude
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If that information made it past your skull, it must be armor piercing.
Poor MSNBC...
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If that information made it past your skull, it must be armor piercing.
see4
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No not drooling. I am kinda sweaty though. I helped a friend move today, in 100F weather. I went through a half gallon of water in less than an hour.
Besides picking up your welfare check at the local post office, what have you done today?
Harrekin
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If you like your anchor, you can keep your anchor?
By quoting me you have sent me over the 1000 likes count.
It is very creepy, sexy that 946 of those likes are from you or your puppet pets.
see4
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I was able to keep my healthcare, and I can rattle off more people that were able to keep theirs than weren't.
We are better off with Obamacare. Faux Noose has even admitted it.
ginwilly
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Insurance companies and major hospital corporations are much better off.
Private independent practices and small hospitals are hurting. This law is reshaping the system, but not in a good way. Private practices are being bought out by hospitals, and the amount of doctors working for a hospital instead of private practice is less than half for the first time in history.
We had to do something, especially about pre-existing conditions. I think we missed a golden opportunity to enact real change.
You have to admit it's not all you told it was when it first was signed (to be fair, it's not at all what the right said it was either, so there's that)
see4
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Can you point me to some documentation that shows a wide spread problem of "private independent practices and small hospitals [that are hurting]" are being bought out by hospitals? Not just one or two, that would be anecdotal.
I'm all for listening to your point of view, but you need to support what you say with evidence.
Harrekin
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Well I'm not gonna be like Obama so if you like your opinion you can keep your opinion.
Shouldve just went with Universal Healthcare...
see4
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Yes. Universal Healthcare would have been the right choice.
ginwilly
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I've been in healthcare for 20 years, read this and tell me you what you would expect to happen.
Oh man, I spent a few years working the meaningful use side of the new healthcare. There are many financial incentives to comply, you can read the bill for that part if you didn't know. The small hospitals didn't have the capability so they either hired teams from the large corporate hospitals or sold out to them.
A hospital is paid by care/caid at a much higher reimbursement rate sometimes 300% higher or more than a private clinic. The way it is now, a cardiologist can do a stress test in his office and medicare will reimburse @700 dollars, if he does that same stress test in the hospital, medicare reimburses @2000 dollars. What is happening because of this, Doctors are entering into partnerships with hospitals so they can bill under the hospital code. Now that same cardiologist working under the hospital number is reimbursed @2000 dollars when he does that same stress test back in his office.
To be fair, this started happening under EMTALA, way before the ACA. EMTALA which says ERs can't turn people away had a shiny new fee schedule negotiated by hospitals to give their stamp of approval that helped them make bank.
Here's a few links and pdfs if you are truly interested
http://www.physiciansfoundation.org...the_Decline_of_Physician_Private_Practice.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/health/policy/26docs.html
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/16/smallbusiness/doctors-selling-practices/
Plenty more if you are truly interested.
Again, this is not all about the ACA, EMTALA was way before then and what a lot of people don't realize is the Meaningful Use aspect was actually slipped into the stimulus plan before the ACA was passed.
UncleBuck
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you're right for once, klanman!
obamacare turned out to be less expensive than projected, and has insured millions more than projected!
that must be why a supermajority of americans want to keep obamacare and only about 9% want the republican alternative (which no one knows what that even is).
ginwilly
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One thing I've learned after working in the healthcare field for 20 years,people like you who sit in front of a computer all day in a drunken stupor and rarely leave the house know more than us who work in the field.
No point at all tearing you apart, you will still sing the same nonsense all day every day. Which of the 20 versions do the supermajority want to keep? Do they like it as is, or would the majority of the people want improvements? If the majority want to improve upon it, wouldn't that mean that only a minority of people want to keep it as is? If most people want to change a law, wouldn't that mean that law is not really a success as it is?
Do the decreased cost projections you spout include the increase costs of medicaid and medicare? Or the increased costs in reimbursements because of the shift away from private practice?
The ACA was supposed to cut down on ER visits as clinics, has that happened or has the opposite happened?
Good morning sunshine!!
UncleBuck
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awwww, poor thing can't rebut a thing i said.
obamacare insured millions more than originally projected. can't rebut that, it's fact.
obamacare cost less than projected. can't rebut that, it's a fact.
not only that, but healthcare costs are growing at their slowest rate in decades too! can't rebut that, it's a fact.
as for the supermajority of americans who want to keep obamacare, some do want to keep obamacare and improve on it. they do not want to get rid of the many, many hugely popular provisions in obamacare, like ending the lifetime cap, or getting rid of pre-existing conditions, or letting kids stay on their parents health insurance longer, or anything else like that.
61% of americans want to keep all of that, and then expand on it as well.
you can't rebut any of that, because again, it is all fact.
you cranky little klansman!
ginwilly
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I can rebut most everything you say and have already stalker dude, but you are such an insignificant part of my life I don't see the value in it anymore. I let you spout and the few idiots left that believe you out themselves for the rest of us. It's win win.
I'm flattered that I'm so important to you though. Gives me the impression I own you.
UncleBuck
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how can you rebut facts?
obamacare insured more than projected: fact
obamacare cost less than projected: fact
since obamacare, the rise in healthcare costs has slowed to its lowest level in decades: fact
61% of americans want to keep obamacare exactly as is or keep what's there add more improvements: fact
how can you rebut a single thing about this incredibly popular and successful insurance reform legislation?
they're all facts.
if you own me, then why are you too afraid to even tell me about why you think your neck down evolution theory is so popular among white supremacists?
potroastV2
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Yeah, Uncle Buck, it's because he owns you! 
I mean, I'm really laughing!
I mean, I'm really laughing!
nitro harley
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Yeah, Uncle Buck, it's because he owns you!
I mean, I'm really laughing!
I guess your little arms are just a swing too.
potroastV2
Well-Known Member
Oh no! Who fed the babies??? 
You should concentrate on that.
You should concentrate on that.
