People who call themselves "hunters"

april

april

Pickle Queen
sunni said:
dont take this the wrong way because i am saying it lightly
but one doesnt scream and cry when you slice it up and murder it LOL
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So now u speak apple and carrot ;) LOL I'm enjoying fiesty sunni ;) Please continue ...............
 
Situation420

Situation420

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jtprin said:
You don't need scientific sources to know that humans have ZERO natural carnivorous characteristics or instincts. If we do, what are they?
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I think our canine teeth are there for ripping meat but i could be wrong I learned that in 3rd grade.
 
Commander Strax

Commander Strax

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jtprin, you have made a valid argument and I am going to give up meat.

I may still eat fish

and eggs

and a little chicken

wait, meat doesn't include beef does it?

oh and pork... I love pork.

how about I just stop eating them "Slim Jims"
 
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jtprin

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guy incognito said:
How do you make that determination then? There have been 100 billion humans. How can you possibly know all of their characteristics and instincts? Also how do you explain so many different human cultures spanning both time and the globe that have all eaten meat? Isn't that a carnivorous characteristic by definition?
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Again, eating meat doesn't mean you have carnivorous characteristics. Humans need to use weapons or tools because they do not possess the natural ability to hunt down prey without them. The physiological evidence speaks for itself. Just like humans could go pick up a pile of shit and eat it if they'd like, doesn't mean they were meant to do so.
 
Metasynth

Metasynth

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jtprin said:
Dude snap out of it, it's called debating. You think I forced all these people to reply? No, I just want to have a peaceful debate where people don't let their ego or current beliefs/habits blind them from other ideas and evidence. Marijuana is supposed to make you relax and more open-minded, why is there so much hate? I agree that I'm not a Saint either but I treat people how they treat me. I don't go out of my way to insult or make someone else feel bad, but if they attempt to do so on me, I have no problem coming right back at them. I believe in peace and harmony, which is part of why this thread was created in the first place.
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I have nothing to say other than the fact that you KNEW the response your posts would evoke. You knew you would be fighting an uphill battle by alienating yourself from the "crowd". I don't care one way or the other about the outcome of your "debate", but I do find it amusing that you attempt to cover up this charade by claiming it has nothing to do with your self-absorbed desire for a sense of achievement.
 
Dislexicmidget2021

Dislexicmidget2021

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jtprin said:
I agree on most, we CAN survive off meat.... for so long, just like you can survive off drinking soda and Gatorade instead of pure water for a long time... doesn't mean it's healthy. Apart from humans physiologically being herbivores (including cannabis :)), eating meat is much more unhealthy and unethical as well.
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Unethical now?You have yet again shifted the direction of youre discourse,ethics has nothing to do with what we are natural driven to eat,we have much more choice on what to eat in our current paradigm,but back in the days of tribe society and the stone age we were natural hunters by instinct,we desired to hunt on an instinctual level,through many ages of time we evolved the capacity to make weapons and tools to kill animal prey,evidence and research is available to show you that we are opportunistic eaters.
 
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jtprin

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Commander Strax said:
jtprin, you have made a valid argument and I am going to give up meat.

I may still eat fish*

and eggs

and a little chicken*

wait, meat*doesn't*include beef does it?

oh and pork... I love pork.

how about I just stop eating them "Slim Jims"
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Hey if that's true then the entire thread was worth it.
 
april

april

Pickle Queen
Anything that has the ability to grow and change has the ability to be killed. Sorry vegans ur all fruit and veggie killers!!!...it's just less messy and loud...maybe less bones.. lol but none the less ur killing something right?
 
Situation420

Situation420

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Man has been hunter gatherers since cave man times, that means we have been killing animals and eating plants for a longgg time. Why can't someone just be a gatherer and let the others do the hunting? More for us hunters anyway, stop complaining.
 
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jtprin

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Dislexicmidget2021 said:
Unethical now?You have yet again shifted the direction of youre discourse,ethics has nothing to do with what we are natural driven to eat,we have much more choice on what to eat in our current paradigm,but back in the days of tribe society and the stone age we were natural hunters by instinct,we desired to hunt on an instinctual level,through many ages of time we evolved the capacity to make weapons and tools to kill animal prey,evidence and research is available to show you that we are opportunistic eaters.
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I didn't shift the argument at all, it's unethical in the sense that billions of animals are enslaved and slaughtered each year. Just because we ate meat thousands of years ago doesn't mean we are carnivores. Physiologically we aren't meant to eat meat. Now that doesn't mean we can't without dying, but it's way less healthy than eating plant-based foods. Especially since the nutrients you get from the animals comes from the plant based foods they were eating. Answer this question... if you were in a huge open field, with nothing, and you saw a cow in one direction and an apple tree in the other, what would you do? If you were a carnivore, you'd have no remorse and would try and kill that cow with your bare hands/teeth. But you're not. And the physiological evidence says so.
 
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jtprin

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april said:
Anything that has the ability to grow and change has the ability to be killed. Sorry vegans ur all fruit and veggie killers!!!...it's just less messy and loud...maybe less bones.. lol but none the less ur killing something right?
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But then you shit out the seeds and contribute to growing even more, that is, if you shit in a field lol
 
april

april

Pickle Queen
jtprin said:
But then you shit out the seeds and contribute to growing even more, that is, if you shit in a field lol
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mmmm I bet ur poop tomatoes make ur breath smell as delightfull as ur views.... lol my sig was created for such occasions. Everyone is right!! Or wrong....lol
 
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jtprin

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Metasynth said:
I have nothing to say other than the fact that you KNEW the response your posts would evoke. You knew you would be fighting an uphill battle by alienating yourself from the "crowd". I don't care one way or the other about the outcome of your "debate", but I do find it amusing that you attempt to cover up this charade by claiming it has nothing to do with your self-absorbed desire for a sense of achievement.
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Seems like someone is trying to get a sense of achievement by playing Dr. Phil. No, actually, you have absolutely no idea what my intentions were creating this thread. I did it to help awaken people because many people's hearts are in the right place, they've just never looked at eating meat from this perspective because they were always brought up eating it and never really questioned the actual process.
 
Dislexicmidget2021

Dislexicmidget2021

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jtprin said:
I didn't shift the argument at all, it's unethical in the sense that billions of animals are enslaved and slaughtered each year. Just because we ate meat thousands of years ago doesn't mean we are carnivores. Physiologically we aren't meant to eat meat. Now that doesn't mean we can't without dying, but it's way less healthy than eating plant-based foods. Especially since the nutrients you get from the animals comes from the plant based foods they were eating. Answer this question... if you were in a huge open field, with nothing, and you saw a cow in one direction and an apple tree in the other, what would you do? If you were a carnivore, you'd have no remorse and would try and kill that cow with your bare hands/teeth. But you're not. And the physiological evidence says so.
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I stated we are opportunistic eaters,if the scenario were to occur as you have stated,we would more than likely choose the apple tree,And not because we are physiolicaly not suppose to eat meat as you keep stating,but rather that it would involve considerably less effort to get the apples from the tree as opposed to killing a cow with nothing but your bare hands,a human will go after what is easier to survive off of for the most part,whether it be animal or not.
 
Winter Woman

Winter Woman

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As far as pigs and cattle after slaughter. Nothing goes to waste, when the renders are through the only thing left is the oink and the moo.
 
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jtprin

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Dislexicmidget2021 said:
I stated we are opportunistic eaters,if the scenario were to occur as you have stated,we would more than likely choose the apple tree,And not because we are physiolicaly not suppose to eat meat as you keep stating,but rather that it would involve considerably less effort to get the apples from the tree as opposed to killing a cow with nothing but your bare hands.
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Really now, it's about the effort? You think a lion or tiger out in the wild is going to give up the opportunity to eat its prey because it's a lot of effort? Newsflash, it's not a lot of effort for them because they have the natural characteristics to kill other animals. They can easily take it down with their strong ass jaws with razor sharp teeth and claws, they can rip apart flesh with those teeth and then easily digest it. Why can't humans? Because we aren't carnivores. They also possess the speed to hunt down and catch things humans couldn't possible keep up with.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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You do understand its pretty tricky getting all your vitamins nutrients and especially yummy flavors from a vegan lifestyle right...not saying impossible but most vegans don't eat properly and are malnourished....... and as previously stated my brain is my advanced evolved for killing tool. I'm a viscious carnivore who likes to sit and smoke weed.. its instinct alright, I wake up at the mere hint of bacon
 
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woody333333

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Dislexicmidget2021 said:
I stated we are opportunistic eaters,if the scenario were to occur as you have stated,we would more than likely choose the apple tree,And not because we are physiolicaly not suppose to eat meat as you keep stating,but rather that it would involve considerably less effort to get the apples from the tree as opposed to killing a cow with nothing but your bare hands,a human will go after what is easier to survive off of for the most part,whether it be animal or not.
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i would eat an apple while i was sharpening a branch
 
Indagrow

Indagrow

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Born and raised on a farm, given all the nutrients it needed to flourish. Kept around its peers throughout its life, not a care in the world. Yes there where fences around it, but it had every opportunity to enjoy life. Predictors where kept at bay, and it could enjoy the winds sun and rain from Mother Nature. Cared and loved for, the farmer decided its reach maturity. Cut down in its prime and send through a mechanized process. Cutting parts off washing others and finally packaged and shipped. Sent all over the country to feed the masses and end up in a grocery store.

was it an animal or a plant?
 
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