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Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 13, 2021

Fogdog said:
She's been a good governor. But Oregon is more conservative than one would think if they only know us through Portlandia.

Oregonians’ negative view of Gov. Kate Brown hits all-time high, residents favor gun restrictions, landlord relief, police use of tear gas, poll finds

In a new poll, only 37% of Oregonians had a positive view of Gov. Kate Brown. A plurality also said half Oregon's congressional districts should lean Democratic and half Republican, rather than be stacked against Republican candidates, as four of the five are now.

www.oregonlive.com

Oregonians’ negative view of Gov. Kate Brown hits all-time high, residents favor gun restrictions, landlord relief, police use of tear gas, poll finds

Gov. Kate Brown’s approval rating has tanked after a year in which she led the state through a pandemic, ensuing recession, racial justice protests, violent far right and anarchist demonstrations and historic wildfires, a new poll shows.

I endorse measures to give landlords relief if they also give relief to tenants who lost jobs during the worst days of the lockdowns. But her stance on stricter laws regarding concealed carry and her policies against indiscriminate use of tear gas by police (she's following judge's orders) are ones that win my support. Not so for many of my neighbors.

i don't know the woman, i have a hard enough time keeping up with my own trumptard governor, but it seems like it's two to one against her, and it is a democracy...

rkymtnman · Dec 13, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't know the woman, i have a hard enough time keeping up with my own trumptard governor, but it seems like it's two to one against her, and it is a democracy...

come on to CO. we got a gay Governor, awesome beer, lots of sunshine, great snow and legal weed. lol.

Fogdog · Dec 13, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't know the woman, i have a hard enough time keeping up with my own trumptard governor, but it seems like it's two to one against her, and it is a democracy...

Oh yes, I agree that opinion poll was negative about her. But opinion polls like that don't matter. What will matter is who she is running against. Oregon Republicans are foam at the mouth Trumpers. Deep state, Dems are pedo cannibals, kill protesters against Trump, shit like that.

So, yeah the poll results deserve attention and merit concern. But opinion polls, especially ones taken so far ahead of an election like this one, have no predictive value.

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 13, 2021

rkymtnman said:
come on to CO. we got a gay Governor, awesome beer, lots of sunshine, great snow and legal weed. lol.

i'll pass on the snow, but the rest sounds ok. after 14 years in Mn. i've had all the snow i care for

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 13, 2021

Fogdog said:
Oh yes, I agree that opinion poll was negative about her. But opinion polls like that don't matter. What will matter is who she is running against. Oregon Republicans are foam at the mouth Trumpers. Deep state, Dems are pedo cannibals, kill protesters against Trump, shit like that.

So, yeah the poll results deserve attention and merit concern. But opinion polls, especially ones taken so far ahead of an election like this one, have no predictive value.

fair enough, plenty of polls have been wrong, i saw more than a few that had trump losing badly against hilary....which he actually did...but you know..
i just don't think it's fair to excoriate Xt for not liking his governor just because you do. there are no rules that say anyone has to like what you like, and he seems pretty far from a magat to me. the reason they have names like conservative, liberal, moderate...is that people aren't the same, and don't all believe the same things. someone not believing exactly what you believe doesn't make them wrong, it just makes them different.
believing anything trump or the "freedom council" or what the fuck every it is they call themselves, say, makes you a gullible fool, and probably a potential insurrectionist...but i've never seen Xt support anything of the sort.

xtsho · Dec 13, 2021

rkymtnman said:
come on to CO. we got a gay Governor, awesome beer, lots of sunshine, great snow and legal weed. lol.

So does Oregon. We also have 363 miles of beautiful coastline. And the entire coast is owned by the public with public access thanks to Governor Tom McCall who happened to be a Republican.

How Oregonians came to own the state’s beaches

The state's publicly owned beaches are a point of pride for many Oregonians. And we have one person to thank for that: Gov. Tom McCall.

www.opb.org

rkymtnman · Dec 13, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i'll pass on the snow, but the rest sounds ok. after 14 years in Mn. i've had all the snow i care for

did some work in alexandria, mn. holiday inn there had 20 cent drink nite on tuesday ( i think? ) good times.

was there a few different times. one time in winter was like -20ish. miserable, wet cold that went right thru ya

rkymtnman · Dec 13, 2021

xtsho said:
So does Oregon. We also have 363 miles of beautiful coastline. And the entire coast is owned by the public with public access thanks to Governor Tom McCall who happened to be a Republican.

How Oregonians came to own the state’s beaches

The state's publicly owned beaches are a point of pride for many Oregonians. And we have one person to thank for that: Gov. Tom McCall.

www.opb.org

300 days of sun where i live. you?
lol.

Fogdog · Dec 13, 2021

xtsho said:
I am a moderate. I've never denied that. I think we need more moderates. Extremes are bad regardless of what side they come from.

Kate Brown is not a moderate, she's farther left than that.

So I understand your bias against her and why you said what you did when you clutched your pearls over the photo taken in DC.

I liked what she said and did when this was going down:

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown to send state troopers to help police protests after fatal shooting

Brown laid out a 6-point plan for how local agencies will staff Portland protests

www.oregonlive.com

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown to send state troopers to help police protests after fatal shooting

“We must all come together — elected officials, community leaders, all of us — to stop the cycle of violence,” Brown said. “But this is only the first step. Real change will come from the hard work to achieve racial justice. And it starts with all of us listening to each other, and working together.

Brown condemned the violence that led to the fatal shooting Saturday night. The victim of the violence was identified as a “friend and supporter” of Vancouver, Washington-based right-wing group Patriot Prayer. Group founder Joey Gibson initially identified the man as Jay in a social media post, but a crowdfunding campaign and other sources later identified him as Aaron Danielson.

“The right-wing group Patriot Prayer and self-proclaimed militia members drove into downtown Portland last night, armed and looking for a fight,” Brown said. “Every Oregonian has the right to freely express their views without fear of deadly violence. I will not allow Patriot Prayer and armed white supremacists to bring more bloodshed to our streets.”

A couple of years later, her state's AG obtained a fairly strong judgement against one of the Proud Boys who brought guns and threatened to shoot into a crowd:

Judge sends self-proclaimed Proud Boy Alan Swinney to prison for 10 years, citing his lack of remorse

Judge sends self-proclaimed Proud Boy Alan Swinney to prison for 10 years, citing his lack of remorse

The prosecutor presented the court with a letter Alan Swinney wrote from Inverness Jail to Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, convicted of murder in the killing of George Floyd last year. Floyd, a Black man, died after Chauvin knelt on his neck for more than nine minutes. Swinney wrote...

www.oregonlive.com

A judge on Friday sentenced self-proclaimed Proud Boy Alan Swinney to 10 years in prison for pulling out a loaded revolver, firing paintballs and spraying bear mace at counterprotesters in downtown Portland last year.

Democrats would be guilty of getting bored with winning if we decided to protest her appearance in DC without a mask in place the whole time by withholding our votes from Brown and thereby let a Republican win.

Fogdog · Dec 13, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
fair enough, plenty of polls have been wrong, i saw more than a few that had trump losing badly against hilary....which he actually did...but you know..
i just don't think it's fair to excoriate Xt for not liking his governor just because you do. there are no rules that say anyone has to like what you like, and he seems pretty far from a magat to me. the reason they have names like conservative, liberal, moderate...is that people aren't the same, and don't all believe the same things. someone not believing exactly what you believe doesn't make them wrong, it just makes them different.
believing anything trump or the "freedom council" or what the fuck every it is they call themselves, say, makes you a gullible fool, and probably a potential insurrectionist...but i've never seen Xt support anything of the sort.

I'm just trying to understand xt's issues. I don't think it's the maskless photo in DC that's the issue. So I jumped to a conclusion. He denied it. That's enough for me. Still, though, he's pretty conservative in the true sense of the word. And Brown is not. So I understand now.

Magats are not conservatives, they are right wing radicals. There is nothing conservative about them.

Fogdog · Dec 13, 2021

rkymtnman said:
300 days of sun where i live. you?
lol.

living in snow and driving with ice on the roads sucks. It happened here -- once -- a few years ago, so I know all about it.

xtsho · Dec 13, 2021

Fogdog said:
I'm just trying to understand xt's issues. I don't think it's the maskless photo in DC that's the issue. So I jumped to a conclusion. He denied it. That's enough for me. Still, though, he's pretty conservative in the true sense of the word. And Brown is not. So I understand now.

Magats are not conservatives, they are right wing radicals. There is nothing conservative about them.

Issues? Well I do have a few. At least the lady keeps telling me so.

The maskless photo is the only issue I commented on in a pandemic thread and it was about wearing a mask. If you don't see the point I was making and instead want to attack me based on whether or not I'm a true Democrat or a Moderate that's your thing. I'm an individual and will continue being one and thinking for myself.

xtsho · Dec 13, 2021

rkymtnman said:
300 days of sun where i live. you?
lol.

No but here in Portland we don't get those nasty winters like some places in Colorado. One time when I was in Colorado Springs it was 14°F with 2 feet of snow on the ground. I asked the guy at the rental car place about tire chains and he looked at me like I was crazy. Then I got on the road and people were flying by like it was just another day.

xtsho · Dec 13, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i'll pass on the snow, but the rest sounds ok. after 14 years in Mn. i've had all the snow i care for

I've been to Minnesota quite a few times. I just never left the airport. I did see the legendary bathroom that was the demise of toe tapper Larry Craig. :mrgreen:

GOP Senator Larry Craig and the Men's Restroom at MSP

GOP Senator Larry Craig of Idaho was arrested for soliciting gay sex from strangers in an aiport men's room, and accused of doing it at a train station. All this and more on the Toilets of the World.

toilet-guru.com

Fogdog · Dec 13, 2021

xtsho said:
Issues? Well I do have a few. At least the lady keeps telling me so.

The maskless photo is the only issue I commented on in a pandemic thread and it was about wearing a mask. If you don't see the point I was making and instead want to attack me based on whether or not I'm a true Democrat or a Moderate that's your thing. I'm an individual and will continue being one and thinking for myself.

I did understand the bunk point you were making. I'm not attacking you for being a moderate. But I don't think you aren't a moderate by any rational standard. You are conservative. Not Trumper but more like the Reagan conservatives. Also, I'm not bashing you. I like your posts (mostly) and am glad you post here.

You side with fascist cops and I side with Antifa. It's pretty clear we don't hold the same political views.

Dr.Amber Trichome · Dec 13, 2021

xtsho said:
No but here in Portland we don't get those nasty winters like some places in Colorado. One time when I was in Colorado Springs it was 14°F with 2 feet of snow on the ground. I asked the guy at the rental car place about tire chains and he looked at me like I was crazy. Then I got on the road and people were flying by like it was just another day.

I grew up in NewJersey and we never used chains. I never heard of using them in the snow. It was not until I moved to Washington State that I got a pair . They are so annoying . I put them on a few times to get over Stevens Pass. Washington and Oregon were so annoying to drive in the snow. They don’t know how to shovel or salt . I think salting is like a forbidden environmental thing or something over there. Lol. I got to take a couple snow days off work in Eugene Oregon with like and inch of snow. Lol. It was hysterical .

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 13, 2021

xtsho said:
I've been to Minnesota quite a few times. I just never left the airport. I did see the legendary bathroom that was the demise of toe tapper Larry Craig.

GOP Senator Larry Craig and the Men's Restroom at MSP

GOP Senator Larry Craig of Idaho was arrested for soliciting gay sex from strangers in an aiport men's room, and accused of doing it at a train station. All this and more on the Toilets of the World.

toilet-guru.com

i lived outside of Fargo, on the Mn. side of the river. i used to go to the airport all the time, i drove a cab on night shift for 5 years, used to deliver styrofoam coolers to the hospital at 2 and 3 am.......never asked, just handed em over, got them to sign my ticket, and gtfo....

xtsho · Dec 13, 2021

Dr.Amber Trichome said:
I grew up in NewJersey and we never used chains. I never heard of using them in the snow. It was not until I moved to Washington State that I got a pair . They are so annoying . I put them on a few times to get over Stevens Pass. Washington and Oregon were so annoying to drive in the snow. They don’t know how to shovel or salt . I think salting is like a forbidden environmental thing or something over there. Lol. I got to take a couple snow days off work in Eugene Oregon with like and inch of snow. Lol. It was hysterical .

An inch of snow shuts down the city. They have started using salt in recent years. But sparingly. Salt isn't good for the cars or the environment. But it works. What I don't like is the pea gravel they spread on some roads. When the snow melts the gravel is still there and gets kicked up by cars so you get all kinds of chips in your paint.

Dr.Amber Trichome · Dec 13, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i lived outside of Fargo, on the Mn. side of the river. i used to go to the airport all the time, i drove a cab on night shift for 5 years, used to deliver styrofoam coolers to the hospital at 2 and 3 am.......never asked, just handed em over, got them to sign my ticket, and gtfo....

Lol, so what was in the cooler?

Roger A. Shrubber · Dec 13, 2021

Dr.Amber Trichome said:
I grew up in NewJersey and we never used chains. I never heard of using them in the snow. It was not until I moved to Washington State that I got a pair . They are so annoying . I put them on a few times to get over Stevens Pass. Washington and Oregon were so annoying to drive in the snow. They don’t know how to shovel or salt . I think salting is like a forbidden environmental thing or something over there. Lol. I got to take a couple snow days off work in Eugene Oregon with like and inch of snow. Lol. It was hysterical .

i live in Tn now...it hardly ever snows, but if there's any kind of precipitation and it's cold enough to freeze they call off school...the hollers get black ice and it stays for a couple of days in the shaded areas...and sliding off the road around here can be either into the side of a mountain, or off of the side of a mountain....

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