Pandemic 2020
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smokinrav
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Covid present in Europe as early as September 2019, blood studies show. Satellite data shows Covid present in Wuhan as early as August.
Business Insider: Coronavirus was circulating in Europe and China before Wuhan outbreak - Business Insider.
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Business Insider: Coronavirus was circulating in Europe and China before Wuhan outbreak - Business Insider.
Suspicions mount that the coronavirus was spreading in China and Europe as early as October, following a WHO investigation
Findings from a recent WHO investigation to China may confirm the coronavirus was circulating months before Wuhan authorities reported the first case.
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captainmorgan
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Italy is a major point of entry for Chinese goods and I think that's where the virus entered Europe and I think the virus started in rural China and didn't take off till it entered the large city of Wuhan.Covid present in Europe as early as September 2019, blood studies show. Satellite data shows Covid present in Wuhan as early as August.
Business Insider: Coronavirus was circulating in Europe and China before Wuhan outbreak - Business Insider.
Suspicions mount that the coronavirus was spreading in China and Europe as early as October, following a WHO investigation
Findings from a recent WHO investigation to China may confirm the coronavirus was circulating months before Wuhan authorities reported the first case.
Jimdamick
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Or, on the otherhand, Italy was the origin.
Why not?
injinji
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Antibodies were found in blood donations from September in the midwest. It was everywhere before we knew about it.Covid present in Europe as early as September 2019, blood studies show. Satellite data shows Covid present in Wuhan as early as August.
Business Insider: Coronavirus was circulating in Europe and China before Wuhan outbreak - Business Insider.
Suspicions mount that the coronavirus was spreading in China and Europe as early as October, following a WHO investigation
Findings from a recent WHO investigation to China may confirm the coronavirus was circulating months before Wuhan authorities reported the first case.
Sativied
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Shows we need the vaccines to save our ass, else it will keep coming back even if it seems there are zero infection.
Cap Morgan is probably right though, the Wuhan market was likely a superspreader event and not the origin. There’s at least 1 earlier patient who hasn’t been at the market and it’s not known where he got infected.
Nobody knows with 100% certainty atm, but it’s more than likely from China, just like new flu variants, including swine flu. If we”d close off China with their unhygienic treatment of animals and people, we wouldn’t have to update the flu vaccine every year. Trump’s not wrong calling it the China virus, just as Ebola was named after the river near where it originated. Ignoring the cause because Trump calls it China virus is cutting off our own nose to spite Trump. In feb or march the WHO will send a team of people to China to investigate the origin. The team includes the nr1 viroligist from NL and experts from 9 other countries including the US, UK, Australia, Germany, Japan, Russia and a few others. So sooner or later, I think we’ll know for sure.
Cap Morgan is probably right though, the Wuhan market was likely a superspreader event and not the origin. There’s at least 1 earlier patient who hasn’t been at the market and it’s not known where he got infected.
captainmorgan
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It came from a rural bat population in China, the locals are semi-immune to it, this has been known for a long time.
smokinrav
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I wonder if they were calling official causes of death pneumonia...
injinji
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A lot of the old folks who died early on were not counted. There may be lab samples that can be tested for some of them, but the numbers will always be lower.
grass_fish
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HAHAHAHA. Not that exciting. Honestly most people just dont and wont get it. If you go in the woods with a axe how long before you come out with a cell phone.
Lots more room for jokes here.
grass_fish
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I respect your point and I take "all" of this witha grain of salt. That said I read and look into it all. I dont take sides. No doctor is going to throw away his reputation in front of the senate to make Trump happy or to win a political stand off. So far the Doctors from california that were labeled stupid and wrong have turned out to be deadly correct. I still dont see anyone calling back and saying the liberal narrative was wrong to label them.
I still see people blaming trump, a hack politician for the spike in numbers across the us, yet the same spike is all over the world. I find the team playing can make people stupid when they know better. Both sides. The goal posts have been moved and its pure soap opera. Its a joke with zero accountability.
If that ivermectin is a complete hox it wont kill me or mess me up. If the rushed vax is bad then it has been proven to be fatal for the wrong people. I never take flu vax becasue more often than not it failed, waste of time. I otherwise dont get the flue.
captainmorgan
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Nobody gives a shit about the pretend world you live in.
Fogdog
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@grass_fish, wins over two more friends through his charm and wit.
grass_fish
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Funny but I am guesing you have nothing to prove or justify your point. More of a "me too" get a kick in. Yet when I stand up you run away like the rest. I was never rude to you so please understand when I rip a strip out of you later it is directly based on you and your choice. You could be a man and contribute more than an insult, maybe even back up your weak comment. Probably wont and that's typical with weak people.
grass_fish
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HAHAHA not too worried dont need a pat on the back. Not personal for me. Its easy to agree like most lemmings on either side of this controlled narrative. Both sides are told what to think and how to think it. Its pathetic, sad and a long time ago I thought one could help. I however learned from George Carlin it hopeless and just to watch it play out.
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hanimmal
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There are actually a lot of doctors that will do just that if it means that they can sell some books/get funding. I think back to all those doctors that would be paraded out to say things like cigarettes were safe.
There has always been conmen (and women) that are willing to say anything for a buck. That is why science requires double blind tests whose results are repeatable by other scientists/doctors.
Im not sure what you are talking about here. The internet is a vast place and it is impossible for me to guess what it could be that you mean.
You say zero accountability like it is a bad thing (which I agree zero accountability is bad) but then make it seem like people blaming Trump are out of line, because everywhere is having a spike (because winter).
Trump stopped the masks being sent out to all the citizens by the post office early on, and played down the dangers. And even if he didn't actively help the spread of it early on in our spreading of the virus, Trump himself understood at one point that the buck stops with the POTUS.
Then in April he started pushing his potential domestic terrorists into a summer long protest of any sane government response to the pandemic.
Then in June he had enough and started hosting super spreader events for his cult.
And so many more examples of the man with the most powerful megaphone and a digital army pushing his agenda actively harming our nation's ability to sanely combat this virus.
Im not a doctor and don't know enough to answer this. But I do see the problem with being able to say you have never taken the flu vaccine, and that more often than not it failed. Because those points are contradictory. You can't know it failed if you never taken it.
The thing I do understand about the vaccines though is that it doesn't necessarily stop you from getting the virus, but it does help your system to keep it from getting as severe of a case if you do.
And this vaccine has been being developed for decades. Science builds from all the science done before it.
My wife is scheduled to take it this week, and I couldn't be more relieved once she has. This virus is very real, and very dangerous.
I hope you and your family keep healthy and safe.
Dr.Amber Trichome
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That sounds wonderful!
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