skunkd0c
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lol, people can be such snobs
Organic vs. Synthetic (Cleaner High)
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st0wandgrow
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I can see both sides of the organic farming, and organic food argument. IMO organic farming done properly, with no shortcuts, is the healthiest, most enviornmentally friendly way of farming and eating. BUT, money trumps all else, so the majority of organic farms take short cuts to increase profit margins. When something is labelled "organic" in a grocery store, I'm very skeptical. Chances are it's just a money grab. If you're fortunate enough to have the land to grow your own food, or you know a local farmer that does things the right way, then I feel that's best case scenario.
If you're reliant on buying organic produce from a grocery store, then you may as well buy the non-organic products and save your money.
If you're reliant on buying organic produce from a grocery store, then you may as well buy the non-organic products and save your money.
chuck estevez
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I agree, I was NEVER anti organic or anti healthy, Just anti high horse, you used to run the same attitude as Hy pocrite, But you came down to earth and now you're cool, rrog is cool, totally respect your guys opinions and learn from you guys. I just can't stand the tree hugging sierra club snobs like hyroot.
chuck estevez
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BUT, you said you aren't a hy pocrite, so HOW can I NOW be the hypocrite? STFU Hy Root
foreverflyhi
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Just want too clarify a couple things, I only brought up the gerson project to make the analogy of organic food and health.
I did a project in my freshman years on the gerson project, (felt obligated because lost a cousin to cancer)
Two points, your first post on the warning from gerson website, yes obviously they have to state that, much like the American Cancer Society has to state that about their treatment.
And your second post about the gerson is mostly false, the American Cancer Society and the United states banned the treatment, two main reasons, first, in the United states, they legally can't say they have a cure for cancer, which is why the gerson project moved to Mexico
Second, one of the reason is because of profit and money, it's much cheaper for an organic alternative way of.life then chemo and synthetic drugs.
Synthetics = money and profit over people
Which brings me to my point on why these articles are mostly false, they are sponsored by people with ties to beneifiting from banning them for profit reasons
hyroot
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because you did a 180. Completely contradicted yourself. You've been saying Chem grown is no different than organic. Now.you support organic. Funny how the tables turn
you bad mouthed everyone in here except for darth and hydro now look.
maybe now you'll stop trolling
bravedave
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If growing weed was my only hobby I would invest more time in organics and its research, but it is actually pretty far down the list. That said, I both smiled and shivered when I read the ingredient list here:
. That said and just for comparison here is my list for my current grow.
Veg:
1. Promix with added Mykos
2. Jacks citrus 20-10-20 water soluble fert
3. Water
Flawa:
(See above)
Clones:
(See above subtracting #2)
Ok, ok, I do have things standing at the ready but short of 3 feedings with Epson (1/8 tsp per gl) this was it. I also go light on the fert to allow my mykos to work. (<80 ppm P)
Point being, a year in and I love this and want to continue to learn the whole gambit but I also have fish to catch and horses to ride and this works for me right now.
...oh and it tastes wonderful!!
Assuming it is somewhat representative. To be honest, if my friend who got me started produced that list and instructions to go with it, I would have just bought another zip from him and went home.
. That said and just for comparison here is my list for my current grow. Veg:
1. Promix with added Mykos
2. Jacks citrus 20-10-20 water soluble fert
3. Water
Flawa:
(See above)
Clones:
(See above subtracting #2)
Ok, ok, I do have things standing at the ready but short of 3 feedings with Epson (1/8 tsp per gl) this was it. I also go light on the fert to allow my mykos to work. (<80 ppm P)
Point being, a year in and I love this and want to continue to learn the whole gambit but I also have fish to catch and horses to ride and this works for me right now.
...oh and it tastes wonderful!!
chuck estevez
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AGAIN, I am ALL for alternative treatments. It was just to show that I can find an opposite to everything posted that you guys take as fact.
also, You telling me that no one ever started a health thing just for the money? if that is true, i got this new juice called HYroot bullshit, chock full of goodness, keeps cancer away for life if you swallow it everyday.
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chuck estevez
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I NEVER changed my stance, There is no difference between a synthetic properly grown indoor bud and a organic indoor grown bud. and I have always said i was FOR organic gardening, ask Rrog or stow. or learn how to comprehend posts.
PS, I troll you, because it's SO easy. you supply me with so much ammo
st0wandgrow
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There is nothing wrong with doing it that way. At least you're not wasting a bunch of money on marijuana specific nutrients that come in 16 different bottles. I used to do things exactly how you are. Once you start learning about organic gardening things will change though. At least it did for me. It's fascinating to learn about microbes and how the plant utilizes them. I'm a pretty busy guy too, and I still find the time to golf, and play with my kids, etc on top of the organic garden (and veggie garden).If growing weed was my only hobby I would invest more time in organics and its research, but it is actually pretty far down the list. That said, I both smiled and shivered when I read the ingredient list here:
Assuming it is somewhat representative. To be honest, if my friend who got me started produced that list and instructions to go with it, I would have just bought another zip from him and went home.
Veg:
1. Promix with added Mykos
2. Jacks citrus 20-10-20 water soluble fert
3. Water
Flawa:
(See above)
Clones:
(See above subtracting #2)
Ok, ok, I do have things standing at the ready but short of 3 feedings with Epson (1/8 tsp per gl) this was it. I also go light on the fert to allow my mykos to work. (<80 ppm P)
Point being, a year in and I love this and want to continue to learn the whole gambit but I also have fish to catch and horses to ride and this works for me right now.
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...oh and it tastes wonderful!!
hyroot
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what ammo?. Everything I said is fact and has been proven several times over. You just argue for the sake of arguing. You say I'm on a high horse. You seem that you have ro be right every single time. Other than now supporting organic. I've never seen you concede once. as usual you are full of shit. Good day troll. Go back.to your bridge.
p.s. There's a difference from having to be right than just being right. Just because I'm right all the time put in my due diligence. Doesn't mean I have to be right.
get off your high horse before you fall off again
chuck estevez
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Hyroot, you admitted you think you are always right, you keep proving that you think so, I have just repeatedly shown that you ARE not always right and that pisses you off. I can do it all day,JR. because you ALWAYS reply with the same answer, you're right and anyone who disagree's with you is wrong. It's simple, JR, you're just to dumb to see it, LOL
once again, you have shown what a HY pocrite you really are,thanks
almost forgot, now tell me I'm wrong
st0wandgrow
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Well, you have been wrong a couple times when we've argued.
chuck estevez
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Well, you have been wrong a couple times when we've argued.
hyroot
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where have you shown me I was wrong.. You tried with that article you didn't read or do any background check on.
fyi that was a joke. I put in years of research on the detrimental health effects cause by Chem nutrients. So.im very well versed in that subject.
a few months ago you argued with me over brix levels enhancing flavor. You wouldn't concede even though you were wrong. Before that you argued over CMH. Then I saw you telling people to go.with CMH but still argued ot with me.
you haven't proven anything at all. Again you haven't shown one iota of anything except bad jokes and contradictions maybe you should reread everything. .. You might learn something. You are going on the ignore list now.
hyroot
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Well, you have been wrong a couple times when we've argued.
the air bubble thing where I showed you the articles and studies explaining that. Or some of.microbe mans b.s.
chuck estevez
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once again, Hy pocrite THINKS he wins , THINKS he's right, REFUSES to admit he is ever wrong, NOW, he is going to ignore me, WHY?
chuck estevez
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Here we go AGAIN, now he is going to argue with stow that he was NEVER wrong, what a fuckin joke you are hyroot.
Darth Vapour
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So your sayng if i dig up a carrot in the back yard and eat it raw ,, or running it through a juicer which one would be better for you ??? is there a difference on protein , or calories on eaten raw other processedYes organic juicers and much more to it then that. (enzymes, proteins, saponins etc etc, hey much like us rols gardeners
Lol why do u say u can find articles other wise? Seriously? We are talking about people lives and health, how can u find otherwise when they have proof the gerson project works? We as Americans don't hear about it because the American Cancer Society wants to profit over people sickness with synthetic drugs and kemo therapy, much like the hydro bottle companies want to profit over uneducated growers like yourself.
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