Organic vs. Synthetic (Cleaner High)

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chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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foreverflyhi said:
Lol at the person and study that's says, "Little evidence of health benefits from organic foods, study finds"

Hagahaha ok that say that to all the people fighting cancer the natural way in Mexico called the gerson institute. They have a 70+ percent chance on beating cancer by eating healthy and organic, without chemo.

Lol with that type of logic then why can't you find studies on pollution, disease, cancer cancer, obesity connected to gmo, chemical grown, pesticide and fungicide sprayed crops?

That's because your bias research is irreverent and nothing new to the table.

Anyways this thread needs some real organic info,
Here for you fools buying chemical hormones for cloning.

Organic cloning 101
All you need is aloe and of course humidity with about a week time.




Or wait, do I need studies to claim that this organic method works???? Lol

Saponin all day everyday
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maybe if you guys ate something with some real protein, you would comprehend what I have been saying, But, you organic guys only see things YOUR way.
I am all for healthy, the people from the gershon thing are juicers. Good for them, if it really works, AGAIN. I could find articles and/or studies that say otherwise.
My WHOLE point is there are 3 sides to every story, yours mine and the truth. I don't ride a high horse claiming it's my way and that is the only way. I Don't make bs claims about the way I grow being a "cleaner"high, only to find out it was a unfair comparison.
 
hyroot

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chuck estevez said:
maybe if you guys ate something with some real protein, you would comprehend what I have been saying, But, you organic guys only see things YOUR way.
I am all for healthy, the people from the gershon thing are juicers. Good for them, if it really works, AGAIN. I could find articles and/or studies that say otherwise.
My WHOLE point is there are 3 sides to every story, yours mine and the truth. I don't ride a high horse claiming it's my way and that is the only way. I Don't make bs claims about the way I grow being a "cleaner"high, only to find out it was a unfair comparison.
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well you dont grow. You haven't posted a single study. You can't tell the difference between an article and a study. You refuse to have a civil discussion. All you do is put people.down. You haven't produced one iota of anything helpful in either direction. You just wasted time and energy. For what other than trolling.. I proved you wrong at every turn. Punched holes on every post with logic and fact and proof . All you and other 2 stooges do is type incoherent nonsense which all has done is make you look like a fool.

just stop. The world doesn't ned anymore internet trolls.. If you reply in a derogatory way. That just proves my point
 
hyroot

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Darth Vapour said:
Hey Hyroot you still using C02 with 432 watts of T5's ???
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I haven't used t5'a in years. They do kickass. The bulb replacement got to be ridiculous with aquarium bulbs. I don't run a tank anymore either. I bring in fresh air and grow Portobello mushrooms in the same room. They naturally produce more co2 while growing than any device. Once they're done growing I compost them. One mushroom crop will last a year. For $24

I grow with led and induction. Back then it was a combo.of par t5,,hps and led and cmh

next time check the date on a post or check all my threads.
 
Darth Vapour

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Reason i ask you know a place where a person cold get organic bottled c02 ?? cause i think they classify bottled normal c02 as non organic so it really cant be used
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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hyroot said:
well you dont grow. You haven't posted a single study. You can't tell the difference between an article and a study. You refuse to have a civil discussion. All you do is put people.down. You haven't produced one iota of anything helpful in either direction. You just wasted time and energy. For what other than trolling.. I proved you wrong at every turn. Punched holes on every post with logic and fact and proof . All you and other 2 stooges do is type incoherent nonsense which all has done is make you look like a fool.

just stop. The world doesn't ned anymore internet trolls.. If you reply in a derogatory way. That just proves my point
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you didn't prove anything other than you are a hy horse riding hypocrite. and I said, LOL
 
st0wandgrow

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Darth Vapour said:
out door in door
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That didn't answer my question. You can use synthetics outdoors. I asked what benefit you feel organics brings. There must be something. You've stated that organic weed is no better than synthetic, and you've also stated that synthetic grown weed will yield 2x as much as organic.....so, you're either lying, or you're a complete moron for using a method that will yield half of what you could otherwise achieve.

So?
 
foreverflyhi

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chuck estevez said:
maybe if you guys ate something with some real protein, you would comprehend what I have been saying, But, you organic guys only see things YOUR way.
I am all for healthy, the people from the gershon thing are juicers. Good for them, if it really works, AGAIN. I could find articles and/or studies that say otherwise.
My WHOLE point is there are 3 sides to every story, yours mine and the truth. I don't ride a high horse claiming it's my way and that is the only way. I Don't make bs claims about the way I grow being a "cleaner"high, only to find out it was a unfair comparison.
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Yes organic juicers and much more to it then that. (enzymes, proteins, saponins etc etc, hey much like us rols gardeners:))
Lol why do u say u can find articles other wise? Seriously? We are talking about people lives and health, how can u find otherwise when they have proof the gerson project works? We as Americans don't hear about it because the American Cancer Society wants to profit over people sickness with synthetic drugs and kemo therapy, much like the hydro bottle companies want to profit over uneducated growers like yourself.
 
chuck estevez

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foreverflyhi said:
Yes organic juicers and much more to it then that.
Lol why do u say u can find articles other wise? Seriously? We are talking about people lives and health, how can u find otherwise when they have proof the gerson project works? We as Americans don't hear about it because the American Cancer Society wants to profit over people sickness with synthetic drugs and kemo therapy, much like the hydro bottle companies want to profit over uneducated growers like yourself.
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I agree with 90% of your post, the last part was unecessary. I fight with the AN marijuana specific guys all the time for using those nutes. i am very informed. I don't just take things put on the internet as truth. Do I need to dig up the negative articles?
 
hyroot

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chuck estevez said:
I agree with 90% of your post, the last part was unecessary. I fight with the AN marijuana specific guys all the time for using those nutes. i am very informed. I don't just take things put on the internet as truth. Do I need to dig up the negative articles?
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now you are the hypocrite.
 
chuck estevez

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The Good, Bad, The Ugly, And A Last Word

Some people have been treated successfully while others have succumbed due to high electrolyte imbalance in the body. This has been a cause of concern since there is no established evidence that the Gerson Therapy cures cancer or in any way is effective as a recovery treatment. Many people would like to take the risk for the mere fact that it might as well be a last try to cure it, others merely agree to be the part of experiment for the therapy. If you chooses to undergo the Gerson Therapy, please ensure you go through the detailed information on their official website to avoid any unnecessary complications and loss of life.
http://www.juicerreviewsdirect.com/gerson-therapy-reclaim-you-health-and-body/
 
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Controversy about the efficacy of the Gerson therapy continued throughout Gerson’s life. In 1946 and 1949, two articles in the Journal of the American Medical Association concluded that the treatment was of no value.[9,10] The National Cancer Institute (NCI) reviewed Gerson’s data from ten case histories in 1947 and 50 case histories in 1959. NCI concluded that in most cases, basic criteria for evaluating clinical benefit were not met. NCI concluded that the data demonstrated no benefit.[2] In 1972, the American Cancer Society (ACS) published a statement summarizing the negative assessments of Gerson’s treatment.[11] Another statement published by ACS in 1991 concerned various “ metabolictherapies” (defined as treatments that depend on changing metabolism through diet, enemas, and supplements given at clinics in Tijuana, Mexico) and reemphasized the lack of scientific evidence on the efficacy of the Gerson regimen.[12]


No conclusions about the effectiveness of the Gerson therapy, either as an adjuvant to other cancer therapies or as a cure, can be drawn from any of the studies reported above.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/gerson/healthprofessional/page1/AllPages
 
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