Organic vs. Synthetic (Cleaner High)

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st0wandgrow

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the air bubble thing where I showed you the articles and studies explaining that. Or some of.microbe mans b.s.
Well, I'm still not sold on that one, but the one that really stands out to me is when you claimed that 48 hours of darkness would increase the number of trichomes on a plant by 2-3x. That just doesn't seem plausible to me.
 

chuck estevez

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Well, I'm still not sold on that one, but the one that really stands out to me is when you claimed that 48 hours of darkness would increase the number of trichomes on a plant by 2-3x. That just doesn't seem plausible to me.
that ONLY works if it's organic darkness and you run around chanting HYroots never wrong
 

Darth Vapour

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Just want too clarify a couple things, I only brought up the gerson project to make the analogy of organic food and health.

I did a project in my freshman years on the gerson project, (felt obligated because lost a cousin to cancer)
Two points, your first post on the warning from gerson website, yes obviously they have to state that, much like the American Cancer Society has to state that about their treatment.

And your second post about the gerson is mostly false, the American Cancer Society and the United states banned the treatment, two main reasons, first, in the United states, they legally can't say they have a cure for cancer, which is why the gerson project moved to Mexico

Second, one of the reason is because of profit and money, it's much cheaper for an organic alternative way of.life then chemo and synthetic drugs.
Synthetics = money and profit over people


Which brings me to my point on why these articles are mostly false, they are sponsored by people with ties to beneifiting from banning them for profit reasons
what do you mean ?? Cancer has been cured a long time ago but its for the elite group of people and higher ups not for puppets i know this for a fact ??? see have a close friend diagnosed late cancer anyone else would be dead so why not him .. i know why really i do
see he flew to this place dished out over 2 million dollars and POW he came back 2 weeks later bald as fuck but cured i WAS LIKE WTF Man
as we sat drinking a beer he said society everything is there for you if you got the money to get it
 

hyroot

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Well, I'm still not sold on that one, but the one that really stands out to me is when you claimed that 48 hours of darkness would increase the number of trichomes on a plant by 2-3x. That just doesn't seem plausible to me.

I forgot about that one. But I still stand by it. I usually get a larger return on ice wax when doing that. There's many ways to improve trichome development.

i do remember posting a link to an Oxford journals and a UW abstract.

on the air bubble thing. The people at d.e.m. Say the smaller the bubble the longer it takes to brew. The larger the bubbles the faster a tea brews. With a cheap $10 pump i doubt there would be enough small bubbles to slice through bacteria. The stronger pumps , like ones used for vortex brewers could possibly produce enough small bubbles at one time to do so. Also if there's bacteria that resides in an area with constant air bubbles like that. I'm sure they could adapt. Like the bacteria in volcanoes that thrive in high heat.
 

Bugeye

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If growing weed was my only hobby I would invest more time in organics and its research, but it is actually pretty far down the list. That said, I both smiled and shivered when I read the ingredient list here:

Assuming it is somewhat representative. To be honest, if my friend who got me started produced that list and instructions to go with it, I would have just bought another zip from him and went home. :). That said and just for comparison here is my list for my current grow.

Veg:
1. Promix with added Mykos
2. Jacks citrus 20-10-20 water soluble fert
3. Water

Flawa:
(See above)

Clones:
(See above subtracting #2)

Ok, ok, I do have things standing at the ready but short of 3 feedings with Epson (1/8 tsp per gl) this was it. I also go light on the fert to allow my mykos to work. (<80 ppm P)

Point being, a year in and I love this and want to continue to learn the whole gambit but I also have fish to catch and horses to ride and this works for me right now.
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...oh and it tastes wonderful!!
As long as we can all grow the way we want, it's all good!

I agree that setting up even a simple organic soil is going to take some time and planning. Where it might pay off for you is if you get into growing 6 different strains at the same time, which is my preference. Invariably I'll have one heavy feeder and one light feeder and then I have to fuck around getting everything diluted to the right ppm for each plant. With organics, it doesn't seem to matter as much as long as you keep the buffet full for them to pick and choose what they want.

I'm not sure I'm a fan of mixing organics with outdoor smart pots yet. Seems like the extra watering that smart pots requires makes it too easy to leach the soil. I'm going to try and use them again this year with a cover crop. I'll also top dress the whole season and will throw down some synthetics if I can't keep up going into mid flower.

Anyway, love the strong opinions here, if not the personal sniping.
 

chuck estevez

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As long as we can all grow the way we want, it's all good!

I agree that setting up even a simple organic soil is going to take some time and planning. Where it might pay off for you is if you get into growing 6 different strains at the same time, which is my preference. Invariably I'll have one heavy feeder and one light feeder and then I have to fuck around getting everything diluted to the right ppm for each plant. With organics, it doesn't seem to matter as much as long as you keep the buffet full for them to pick and choose what they want.

I'm not sure I'm a fan of mixing organics with outdoor smart pots yet. Seems like the extra watering that smart pots requires makes it too easy to leach the soil. I'm going to try and use them again this year with a cover crop. I'll also top dress the whole season and will throw down some synthetics if I can't keep up going into mid flower.

Anyway, love the strong opinions here, if not the personal sniping.
I grow sometimes up to 10 different strains in a perpetual garden, I don't use bloom nutes and I only use a small amount of nutes every watering. Works great and all strains seem to work well. I do however find certain strains that fit my garden better than others.
 

hyroot

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As long as we can all grow the way we want, it's all good!

I agree that setting up even a simple organic soil is going to take some time and planning. Where it might pay off for you is if you get into growing 6 different strains at the same time, which is my preference. Invariably I'll have one heavy feeder and one light feeder and then I have to fuck around getting everything diluted to the right ppm for each plant. With organics, it doesn't seem to matter as much as long as you keep the buffet full for them to pick and choose what they want.

I'm not sure I'm a fan of mixing organics with outdoor smart pots yet. Seems like the extra watering that smart pots requires makes it too easy to leach the soil. I'm going to try and use them again this year with a cover crop. I'll also top dress the whole season and will throw down some synthetics if I can't keep up going into mid flower.

Anyway, love the strong opinions here, if not the personal sniping.

I dont like fabric pots for indoors. But for.outdoors they're great when new. At least a 30 gal. Those will take longer to dry out. If in q hot climate like me. The roots can get too hot. The fabric pot helps with that. Look into using blumats too. Those will keep the soil moisture perfect. Of course mulch or cover crops will help retain moisture too.
 

st0wandgrow

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I forgot about that one. But I still stand by it. I usually get a larger return on ice wax when doing that. There's many ways to improve trichome development.

i do remember posting a link to an Oxford journals and a UW abstract.

on the air bubble thing. The people at d.e.m. Say the smaller the bubble the longer it takes to brew. The larger the bubbles the faster a tea brews. With a cheap $10 pump i doubt there would be enough small bubbles to slice through bacteria. The stronger pumps , like ones used for vortex brewers could possibly produce enough small bubbles at one time to do so. Also if there's bacteria that resides in an area with constant air bubbles like that. I'm sure they could adapt. Like the bacteria in volcanoes that thrive in high heat.
I wouldn't have said anything if you wouldn't have made the "2-3x" claim. I still don't buy it. No way you can put a plant in the dark for 48 hours, open up the door, and you now magically have 3x the amount of trichomes on your plant. That's hyperbole.
 

Capt. Stickyfingers

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You have to admit when people are arguing who is right, the one using proper grammar seems more intelligent.
But for two guys that know it all; none of their work makes me say, "Wow, that's nice." More like the opposite. If you want to play weed professor, get your shit together first. Look at thump easy's posts that are 90% unreadable but his work is great. Grammar doesn't make a good gardener.





 

st0wandgrow

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"Unlike AtCERK1 that contains three LysM domains, the OsCERK1 contains only one conserved LysM domain.
26 Given the fact that the requirement of three LysM domains is essential for chitin binding, 22 the differences inthe chitin perception systems between rice and Arabidopsis maybe explained by the structural differences between AtCERK1and OsCERK1, although these two proteins do appear to be orthologous based on sequence comparisons. 26 The rice model may also apply to other grass species 27 since, for example, a barley homolog of OsCEBiP, HvCEBiP, was recently shown to contribute to fungal resistance. 28
The rice chitin receptor complex, being composed of OsCERK1 and OsCEBiP, is more similar to the proposed PGN
receptor complex in Arabidopsis
."

It seems one size doesn't fit all and not all plants have the same receptor proteins if any at all.

Unfortunately cannabis carries the lyk2 protein gene http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/U6EFF4 which is listed on table 1 of the link you posted and states it is a non functional kinase (pseudo kinase). And the ligand (bonding ion) does not react to chitin.
@Rrog any input here? This is what we were talking about. Is this news to you too?
 

hyroot

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I wouldn't have said anything if you wouldn't have made the "2-3x" claim. I still don't buy it. No way you can put a plant in the dark for 48 hours, open up the door, and you now magically have 3x the amount of trichomes on your plant. That's hyperbole.

light degrades trichomes. Plants replenish trichomes when they sleep. When the plant sits in darkness longer than usual. It knows its life is ending. So it will push out as much trichomes, oils, calyx everything to produce seeds so its lineage will live on. Since the plant is not pollinated, the calyx swell up more and more trichs form.
 

Rrog

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I've never looked at the Chitin protein directly interacting with the plant. Only Chitin and its role to keep larvae at bay.
 

chuck estevez

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But for two guys that know it all; none of their work makes me say, "Wow, that's nice." More like the opposite. If you want to play weed professor, get your shit together first. Look at thump easy's posts that are 90% unreadable but his work is great. Grammar doesn't make a good gardener.





Love how this guy is so butthurt, he saves a picture I posted from my first grow with a gavita showing the problems i had with it. Jesus dude, Get over it, no cares that i made you cry.

and is that hyroots bug infested garden, what a fuckin mess
 

Rrog

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light degrades trichomes. Plants replenish trichomes when they sleep. When the plant sits in darkness longer than usual. It knows its life is ending. So it will push out as much trichomes, oils, calyx everything to produce seeds so its lineage will live on. Since the plant is not pollinated, the calyx swell up more and more trichs form.
And triple the Trichs, AND triple the stored Cannabinoids in these new Trichs? All in 48 hours?? Don't hate me 'cause I'm skeptical.
 
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