Opinions on the spider farmer SF2000

Topshelfruns

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I’ve since upgraded a couple times since originally posting this! I currently run 2 meijiu 480s and a sf4000 in different tents. My buddy runs kingbrite 240s. I have been more impressed with the sf over the meijiu/kingbrite options. They seem brighter and have what appears to be more diodes on the board than the cheaper options. That being said, I still chose to buy 2 meijiu 480s over a second sf4000 so I definitely understand where you’re coming from as far as value with the cheaper options.
May i ask what makes you more impressed? Like do you yield more with the sf4000 per watt? Or is the quality better? Im very curious and thank you for the information i will look into meijiu 480's i have never heard of this brand
 

farmingfisherman

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Just curious Do you guys use any supplemental uv? Great looking buds! How is the stone?
No UV this time. First go around was a combo of 315 cmh and 2 SF 1000's so yeah that one had plenty of UV. My HLG are older 3100k boards but they still did a fine job in my mind. Nuggs aren't quite as dense as when I used the cmh as well but I'm happy with the results. The stone is great, the smell is a lemonish pineapple with the same taste. Haven't finished trimming but each branch is averaging around 10 - 15 grams each and I had 33 branches or so to trim. I'll try to get a final weight once I have it all trimmed up.
 

Doug Dawson

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May i ask what makes you more impressed? Like do you yield more with the sf4000 per watt? Or is the quality better? Im very curious and thank you for the information i will look into meijiu 480's i have never heard of this brand
You can find them on Alibaba, what country are you in? They are also available locally but for a bit more depending on your location. I run an HLG 600 Rpsec with a UV bar attachment that HLG makes for it. Don't get too caught up in all the lighting debates. HLG, Kingbrite, Meijiu, Spider Farmer, Mars, all make lights that can grow good plants. I feel Mars to be at the bottom of that list but here is the thing, you can find successful grows with each brand. All are better than the shitty blurple lights out there. Pick a light with good output, some good grow journals and get to growing.
 

DButs211

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May i ask what makes you more impressed? Like do you yield more with the sf4000 per watt? Or is the quality better? Im very curious and thank you for the information i will look into meijiu 480's i have never heard of this brand
Brighter light and more diodes. I don’t have a straight up comparison as I run 2 480s in a 5x3 Tent at about 80% and the sf is by itself at 100% in a 3.5x3.5 space. Obviously the tent with 2 lights is pulling more but I haven't done the math for yield vs actual wattage being used. The SF also comes with diodes coated with a water proof protective coating and covers on the wires/connections, while the meijiu 480s are not coated over diodes and the wires/connections are expose. So build quality also goes to SF along with the eye test.

Hope that helps!
 

Topshelfruns

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No UV this time. First go around was a combo of 315 cmh and 2 SF 1000's so yeah that one had plenty of UV. My HLG are older 3100k boards but they still did a fine job in my mind. Nuggs aren't quite as dense as when I used the cmh as well but I'm happy with the results. The stone is great, the smell is a lemonish pineapple with the same taste. Haven't finished trimming but each branch is averaging around 10 - 15 grams each and I had 33 branches or so to trim. I'll try to get a final weight once I have it all trimmed up.
Dude i was looking up the spectrum on CMH lights and they seem too have it all ir + uv etc and omegaw lemonish pineapple smell that must be so exciting! I would watch pineapple express if i were you and get baked haha please report the end weight once its in :).
You can find them on Alibaba, what country are you in? They are also available locally but for a bit more depending on your location. I run an HLG 600 Rpsec with a UV bar attachment that HLG makes for it. Don't get too caught up in all the lighting debates. HLG, Kingbrite, Meijiu, Spider Farmer, Mars, all make lights that can grow good plants. I feel Mars to be at the bottom of that list but here is the thing, you can find successful grows with each brand. All are better than the shitty blurple lights out there. Pick a light with good output, some good grow journals and get to growing.
I am from the usa and man i just found a website alib@b@ and i found a 320w qb board for 179.99 with lm301h diodes and a meanwell driver !!!!!!! Is this real? Like the sp3000 costs 400usd! With similar specs i wonder if this is a scam. Also did you notice any difference in end quality with your UV bar?
I didn't on my first run. I did have some deep/far red I was running after week 3 of flower. This time I have added a fourth SF2000 to the tent as well as a 4ft T5 with the AgroMax UV+Veg
Dude nice i was reading about something called the Emerson effect is this why you add the deep/far red? And man i saw that 4ft t5 pure uv light 75% is uvb 25% is uva i am also buying one how long do you plan too run the uv lights? Like everyone says run them only 15 min each hour but I was looking up the amount of uv the son produces right? Vs the amount of uv this light produces And honestly i am going too run it for 8 hours on every day during the flowering cycle.
 

Topshelfruns

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Brighter light and more diodes. I don’t have a straight up comparison as I run 2 480s in a 5x3 Tent at about 80% and the sf is by itself at 100% in a 3.5x3.5 space. Obviously the tent with 2 lights is pulling more but I haven't done the math for yield vs actual wattage being used. The SF also comes with diodes coated with a water proof protective coating and covers on the wires/connections, while the meijiu 480s are not coated over diodes and the wires/connections are expose. So build quality also goes to SF along with the eye test.

Hope that helps!
thank you your response does help me out a lot! The next time you harvest wit the sf4000 please let me know the yields :) also do you have a grow diary?
 

Doug Dawson

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Dude i was looking up the spectrum on CMH lights and they seem too have it all ir + uv etc and omegaw lemonish pineapple smell that must be so exciting! I would watch pineapple express if i were you and get baked haha please report the end weight once its in :).

I am from the usa and man i just found a website alib@b@ and i found a 320w qb board for 179.99 with lm301h diodes and a meanwell driver !!!!!!! Is this real? Like the sp3000 costs 400usd! With similar specs i wonder if this is a scam. Also did you notice any difference in end quality with your UV bar?

Dude nice i was reading about something called the Emerson effect is this why you add the deep/far red? And man i saw that 4ft t5 pure uv light 75% is uvb 25% is uva i am also buying one how long do you plan too run the uv lights? Like everyone says run them only 15 min each hour but I was looking up the amount of uv the son produces right? Vs the amount of uv this light produces And honestly i am going too run it for 8 hours on every day during the flowering cycle.
Not a scam, just buying straight from Chinese manufacturer so big savings. As for the UV bar, I cannot say yet, just purchased it to add to my light. Will know if a couple months how it does.
 

Topshelfruns

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Not a scam, just buying straight from Chinese manufacturer so big savings. As for the UV bar, I cannot say yet, just purchased it to add to my light. Will know if a couple months how it does.
Honestly i am scared 320w light lm301h diodes / meanwell driver for 180 usd i most likely wont buy it because the price is too low.
And Dude all i read is great things about the HLG uva bar so i am excited for your future harvest! I wonder if your buds will smell better :)
 

Doug Dawson

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Honestly i am scared 320w light lm301h diodes / meanwell driver for 180 usd i most likely wont buy it because the price is too low.
And Dude all i read is great things about the HLG uva bar so i am excited for your future harvest! I wonder if your buds will smell better :)
Hard to say, I am hoping so. They are currently vegging and are starting so smell a fair bit already and I won't use UV until they are flowering. Never grown the Maui Waui or Shiva Skunk strains so not sure what to expect or what the impact of the UV will be. All in all I am sure it will be good. I get the price being so much lower concerning you, I had the same apprehensions and ended up with HLG because of the 3 year warranty and the fact that there is an HLG Canada so I can support Canadian business. That said bk78 is also in Canada and he uses those Meijiu lights with great success at 1/3 the cost of my HLG. Take a look at his post and skim through. There is no denying the Meijiu lights can hold their own when it comes to growing. https://www.rollitup.org/t/bks-shit-show.1031750/
 

Topshelfruns

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Hard to say, I am hoping so. They are currently vegging and are starting so smell a fair bit already and I won't use UV until they are flowering. Never grown the Maui Waui or Shiva Skunk strains so not sure what to expect or what the impact of the UV will be. All in all I am sure it will be good. I get the price being so much lower concerning you, I had the same apprehensions and ended up with HLG because of the 3 year warranty and the fact that there is an HLG Canada so I can support Canadian business. That said bk78 is also in Canada and he uses those Meijiu lights with great success at 1/3 the cost of my HLG. Take a look at his post and skim through. There is no denying the Meijiu lights can hold their own when it comes to growing. https://www.rollitup.org/t/bks-shit-show.1031750/
Thanks man! I will be sure too check out his grow thank you for the link i appreciate it! Also Everyone always says dont use uv or you will damage your plants and my last grow i used a 10k 400w metal halide from solistek through veg and flower these lights have uva uvb etc i only yielded like 5 ounces but this cannabis got me way more stoned and smelled better than anything i had grown before
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So i wish you the best of luck with your uv bar :)
 

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vitalsine

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Dude nice i was reading about something called the Emerson effect is this why you add the deep/far red? And man i saw that 4ft t5 pure uv light 75% is uvb 25% is uva i am also buying one how long do you plan too run the uv lights? Like everyone says run them only 15 min each hour but I was looking up the amount of uv the son produces right? Vs the amount of uv this light produces And honestly i am going too run it for 8 hours on every day during the flowering cycle.
I run the UV+Veg for the full day period. I have the Pure UV bulbs as well, but I can't hang the light high enough to use them effectively at the moment. And yea, I was going for the Emerson effect with the deep/far reds. For the first 3 weeks of flower I would run one for 10 mins at lights on, and the other for 10 mins at lights off. I am spacing right now as to which is which lol. I'll double check and repost. Once I made it through the first 3 weeks and stretch was done, I ran the reds the whole day period, one still came on 10 min before and the other shut off 10 mins after though. I heard it helps them go to sleep/wake up faster.
 

Topshelfruns

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I run the UV+Veg for the full day period. I have the Pure UV bulbs as well, but I can't hang the light high enough to use them effectively at the moment. And yea, I was going for the Emerson effect with the deep/far reds. For the first 3 weeks of flower I would run one for 10 mins at lights on, and the other for 10 mins at lights off. I am spacing right now as to which is which lol. I'll double check and repost. Once I made it through the first 3 weeks and stretch was done, I ran the reds the whole day period, one still came on 10 min before and the other shut off 10 mins after though. I heard it helps them go to sleep/wake up faster.
yeah man so i hear a lot of different things when it comes too the emerson effect and deep red + infra red some people tell me that deep rep + infra red makes the plants go too sleep faster due too there being more infrared later on in the day or some crap
And other people have told me that if you introduce deep red 660nm + far red aka infra red into your spectral energy than this allows your plants too utilize photons emitted within the par spectrum(400-700nm) in a more efficient way thus skyrocketing the relative rate of photosynthesis emerson-effect-4a4f2477-d7d5-4b58-b448-ab30ea277a0-resize-750.jpeg.
I honestly don't know if any of this is true but i will be adding some deep red/ infra red lights too my room forsure!
 

Doug Dawson

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Thanks man! I will be sure too check out his grow thank you for the link i appreciate it! Also Everyone always says dont use uv or you will damage your plants and my last grow i used a 10k 400w metal halide from solistek through veg and flower these lights have uva uvb etc i only yielded like 5 ounces but this cannabis got me way more stoned and smelled better than anything i had grown before
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So i wish you the best of luck with your uv bar :)
Thanks. There is a fair bit to learn about uv. There is UVA, UVB and UVC. I can run UVA for full 12/12 during flower. UVB can be run sparingly as it hurts the plants more and UBC should never be used except for sterilization. The lower band UVB will hurt the plant and increase thc potency if done correctly, UBA will increase trichome production so more thc but not stronger. Lot's of playing to do, by the way, nice pics bud.
 

Topshelfruns

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Thanks. There is a fair bit to learn about uv. There is UVA, UVB and UVC. I can run UVA for full 12/12 during flower. UVB can be run sparingly as it hurts the plants more and UBC should never be used except for sterilization. The lower band UVB will hurt the plant and increase thc potency if done correctly, UBA will increase trichome production so more thc but not stronger. Lot's of playing to do, by the way, nice pics bud.
Thank you so much for the information you rock socks! I cant wait too run the agromax pure uv light !! I am so excited! Once i decide what led light too buy and genetics(most likely runtz muffin from barneys farm) im all set!
Thank you again for your information man you rock!
 

jonnynobody

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Honestly i am scared 320w light lm301h diodes / meanwell driver for 180 usd i most likely wont buy it because the price is too low.
And Dude all i read is great things about the HLG uva bar so i am excited for your future harvest! I wonder if your buds will smell better :)
Everything is cheaper in China because their labor force gets paid next to nothing. Have you ever wondered why nearly every fucking item on amazon or on a walmart shelf is made in China? Because any company can rape their manufacturing labor force by paying them next to nothing to make their products, then that same company can ship those products around the world where they then charge stupid fucking consumers exponentially more. Alibaba is a direct conduit to the manufacturers. This completely cuts out the middle man (i.e. HLG) thereby allowing the consumer to pay what the product is actually worth with some hefty shipping costs. But feel free to put Stephen's kids through college by paying $1200 for a single light that can be had for $400-$500 directly from the source on Alibaba. I know I know, Stephen gets top bin diodes that prior to coming off of the Samsung assembly line pass through the virgin mary's vagina before landing in the HLG shipping container headed for Stephen's warehouses here in the states. I stand by my prior assessment. Some people just love to get fucked. HLG calls those people their core customer base :)

I paid $187 shipped to my front door for two 110W quantum boards with lm301b diodes and mean well drivers. They're fucking dope, and they cost me half what I would have paid from some dick wad in the states. Love me some china men. Not love me some middlemen. Get it?

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The board on the left is an overpriced spider farmer 450W SF-4000 I paid $628 for on amazon. The board on the right is a 660W unit off of alibaba I paid $504 for with shipping which is now on sale for about $455 with shipping. The 660W board is 2 1/2" longer and 2 1/2" wider than the SF-4000, contains more diodes, and pushes more power to each diode. Man I sure wish I had paid Stephen $1200+ tax for one of his 650w boards. Yeah, not a fucking chance.
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Hash Plant flowered under the 660W alibaba board last cycle: Fuck HLG :)
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Snoogins :)
 
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PadawanWarrior

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You can find them on Alibaba, what country are you in? They are also available locally but for a bit more depending on your location. I run an HLG 600 Rpsec with a UV bar attachment that HLG makes for it. Don't get too caught up in all the lighting debates. HLG, Kingbrite, Meijiu, Spider Farmer, Mars, all make lights that can grow good plants. I feel Mars to be at the bottom of that list but here is the thing, you can find successful grows with each brand. All are better than the shitty blurple lights out there. Pick a light with good output, some good grow journals and get to growing.
I wish you would've tried the light without the UV first. Then add the bar and compare the difference. But I probably wouldn't be able to help myself to use it from the beginning since you already have it. I know the UV is gonna add some frost, I'm just wondering be how much.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Everything is cheaper in China because their labor force gets paid next to nothing. Have you ever wondered why nearly every fucking item on amazon or on a walmart shelf is made in China? Because any company can rape their manufacturing labor force by paying them next to nothing to make their products, then that same company can ship those products around the world where they then charge stupid fucking consumers exponentially more. Alibaba is a direct conduit to the manufacturers. This completely cuts out the middle man (i.e. HLG) thereby allowing the consumer to pay what the product is actually worth with some hefty shipping costs. But feel free to put Stephen's kids through college by paying $1200 for a single light that can be had for $400-$500 directly from the source on Alibaba. I know I know, Stephen gets top bin diodes that prior to coming off of the Samsung assembly line pass through the virgin mary's vagina before landing in the HLG shipping container headed for Stephen's warehouses here in the states. I stand by my prior assessment. Some people just love to get fucked. HLG calls those people their core customer base :)

I paid $187 shipped to my front door for two 110W quantum boards with lm301b diodes and mean well drivers. They're fucking dope, and they cost me half what I would have paid from some dick wad in the states. Love me some china men. Not love me some middlemen. Get it?

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The board on the left is an overpriced spider farmer 450W SF-4000 I paid $628 for on amazon. The board on the right is a 660W unit off of alibaba I paid $504 for with shipping which is now on sale for about $455 with shipping. The 660W board is 2 1/2" longer and 2 1/2" wider than the SF-4000, contains more diodes, and pushes more power to each diode. Man I sure wish I had paid Stephen $1200+ tax for one of his 600 boards. Yeah, not a fucking chance.
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Hash Plant flowered under the 660W alibaba board last cycle: Fuck HLG :)
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Nobody's forcing you to buy the good shit. It's HLG for me.
 

farmingfisherman

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I wish you would've tried the light without the UV first. Then add the bar and compare the difference. But I probably wouldn't be able to help myself to use it from the beginning since you already have it. I know the UV is gonna add some frost, I'm just wondering be how much.
If you have the means than why not throw caution to the wind. Besides I like a gambler but a gambler who started right out the gate growing in coco is probably a gambler with a inside line. :cool:
 
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