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NoDrama · Jun 19, 2009

You just keep obsessing about towers 1 and 2, you won't discuss #7 because it defies everything you can muster to explain.
You spend 70% of your posts attacking others, which makes you just the other fat mean kid no one wants to play with, hell you even attack your own supporters.

Watch this video, it puts WTC 7 and another controlled demo building side by side for comparison, the both fall exactly the same, same speed starting from the bottom up. Explain that!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc7_comparison.wmv now that looks exactly controlled, hard to deny it.

And don't give me that fire shit, we have already proven the 2 little fires could mnot have done that, plus the very small physical damage from debris certainly would not do it either, the combination of both would not even put a dent into it.

BTW the fire fighters did not think the buildings were going to fall, if they did you wouldn't have 300 dead now would they? Fire commanders don't send firefighters into a building they think is going to disintegrate. Fire fighters do not make the big decisions, the commanders do.

huffy420 · Jun 19, 2009

Hey What... Huh?

Where did u come up with "glitter bomb waiting for 3 years to go off"?

So.. A few days turnes to 3 years when u read it? Hahah okay okay i see how u work.

You ever think a traditional demo would look to much like a demo, it had to be unorthodox(thermite). There are like 12 families that perform demolitions, none of which use thermite. I agree with u on the fact that thermite is not used to take down buildings, but that doesnt mean you cant take down a building with thermite.

Do you honestly believe regular fire kept the pile of rubble burning for three months?

The majority of the towers offices where vacant anyway, the buildings were on a down fall, with nobody willing to pay the billions to go thru a replace the asbestoes fire proofing.

Buildings have basements, service elevators, other corridors that the general public dont have access to... Do u really think they would roll explosive charges into the fuckin lobby and into the main elevator??? Ur an idiot if u think that...

GrowRebel · Jun 19, 2009

what... huh? said:
So... your current question is, "How many people minimum, do you suppose would HAVE to be involved in this conspiracy?"

there is no way we can know that for sure without a real investigation ...

what... huh? said:
Oh... and Gage
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BEBFC8F0282076E0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=kjJzlcdtlkU

7:06.

In the words of Dick Cheney... "Go fuck yourself".

I saw nothing in that time other than the building collapsing at free fall speed. This video only supports our arguments ... so what else is new?

what... huh? said:
It appears you have.

LOL and whatnot.

(note the next paragraph which mentions the "collective myth" referred to so many times in that lying presentation)

And this is a "lying presentation" because? .... what is he lying about? ... you fail to mention that in all your posts.

what... huh? said:
I guess it will be hard to prove that Gage himself made his website... and therefor the information contained therein does not reflect his views. Bummer... there I go being debunked again.

Yeah ... you got that right ... debunked again ... you have presented nothing to support the claim of the government ... nothing. :sleep:

GrowRebel · Jun 19, 2009

what... huh? said:
Securacom's contract ended in 1998. You are just promoting bullshit.

Source link please?

what... huh? said:
That would have been easy as shit to plant 136 gravity defying thermite bombs into. I mean... only about 30,000 people per day walked in and out of those things. Nobody would have seen them hauling in (x) tons of thermite.

they could have disguise or hid it in some type of equipment ... something people would not suspect. This is something else we won't know for sure until a real investigation.

what... huh? said:
Not to mention the fact that... well... you still haven't addressed why nobody uses thermite to demo buildings...

Why would they have to? It doesn't explain why thermite was used in the WTC buildings.

what... huh? said:
esp large ones... because it is unpredictable, and irreversable. Precision demo is exactly that. Push the button, and the series goes boom. Thermite... ehhh... it goes when enough of it gets hot enough, for long enough. It also kinda works with gravity. None of you folks have addressed that.

Yeah we have ... back on page 60 post # 594 ... the transcript of the Danish scientist ...

Interviewer: So you found this substance in the WTC, why do you think it caused the collapses?

Harrit: Well, it's an explosive. Why else would it be there?
Interviewer: You believe the intense heat melted the building's steel support structure, and caused the building to collapse like a house of cards?

Harrit: I cannot say precisely, and this substance can serve both purposes. It can explode and break things apart, and it can melt things. Both effects were probably used, as I see it.
Molten metal pours out of the South Tower several minutes before the collapse. This indicates the whole structure was being weakened in advance. Then the regular explosives come into play. The actual collapse sequence had to be perfectly timed, all the way down.

There were only two planes, but three skyscrapers collapsed. We know roughly how much dust was created. The pictures show huge quantities, everything but the steel was pulverised. And we know roughly how much unreacted thermite we have found. This is the "loaded gun", material that did not ignite for some reason. We are talking about tons. Over 10 tons, possibly 100 tons.

Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it. Unreacted thermite.

Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world?

Harrit: It is completely new knowledge for me. It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun", it is the "loaded gun". Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

No points for you ... once again.

what... huh? said:
In all of your controlled demo video, you have yet to show one which used thermite.

It's pretty obvious thermite was used in all the buildings.

what... huh? said:
You have yet to show one, using ANY detonation, which went from the top down. Have none of you noticed the difference in all of those videos and wtc 1&2? In all of your babble... you fail to notice 4 key differences in this than any other demolition in history.

1. It destructs from the top down.

The explosions (denotations) started from the top.

what... huh? said:
2. Thermite has never been used (because it sucks for the purpose... gravity and "control" both)

Since they found unreated thermite at the site that blows your theory ...

what... huh? said:
3. Scale. This is bigger, and was damaged differently than any structure in history.

I and No posted pictures and links of high rises that withstood fire for far longer and still stand ... again you offer nothing to support the government's bull shit claims.

what... huh? said:
4. It burned for over 3 months. Longer than any structure in history. Not thermite, not anything makes that happen.

Well is nothing can make that happen then why did it burn for 3 months? The answer is obvious for those that can see ... thermite.

what... huh? said:
This looks controlled as shit.
World Trade Center, around September 21, 2001

Yeah ... that thermite really did the job didn't it ... thanks for the link.

what... huh? · Jun 19, 2009

NoDrama said:
You just keep obsessing about towers 1 and 2, you won't discuss #7 because it defies everything you can muster to explain.
You spend 70% of your posts attacking others, which makes you just the other fat mean kid no one wants to play with, hell you even attack your own supporters.

I have explained several times that I like to go one thing at a time, and we have much left to resolve on WTC 1&2. If you are willing to concede 1&2 I will move full force to 7. It could be said that your inability to demonstrate your case in face of the facts of 1&2 explains your impatience and desire to move on. I like things put to bed.

I have asked for civility since I got here, and yet I am still insulted in almost every post. I have been called a great number of things, and I stated quite clearly that I was feeling out the moderators on this site before I returned in kind. Don't bitch about it, stop being insulting. I said you would get mad because I am better at it than you. My treatment, time availability, and your ability to deal rationally with this discussion determines my demeanor. This is why I stopped reading grow's posts 20 pages ago.

NoDrama said:
Watch this video, it puts WTC 7 and another controlled demo building side by side for comparison, the both fall exactly the same, same speed starting from the bottom up. Explain that!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc7_comparison.wmv now that looks exactly controlled, hard to deny it.

As I have said from the beginning... "I wouldn't expect it to fall like that." is not proof of anything. It is evidence. All that is necessary to be correct about its reason for falling is to demonstrate, based on the conditions and evidence, the likelihood of the collapse. My reason tells me that a ctrled demo of the building is pointless. My reason tells me that a conspiracy of this scope is not possible. My reason tells me that the experts in the field at the time knew full well it was going to collapse because of the fatigue of the trusses which caused the BUILDING ITSELF to deform. I know that structure fires weaken steel. I know it was on fire for more than 7 hours. I know that Gage lies about the rate of decent on that too... and has changed his "facts" of this fall at least 3 times to try and adhere to an IMAGE of truth finding.

You?

You didn't expect it to fall like that.

NoDrama said:
And don't give me that fire shit, we have already proven the 2 little fires could mnot have done that, plus the very small physical damage from debris certainly would not do it either, the combination of both would not even put a dent into it.

You haven't proven anything. You have made statements. Here is me making a statement... "2 little fires wont burn for 7 hours." There... have I PROVEN my case? No. Neither have you.

NoDrama said:
BTW the fire fighters did not think the buildings were going to fall, if they did you wouldn't have 300 dead now would they? Fire commanders don't send firefighters into a building they think is going to disintegrate. Fire fighters do not make the big decisions, the commanders do.

I specifically mentioned only the fire officials, and the group of firemen who reported 7 was an imminent failure due to the bulging of floors 10-13 on the back side. God I hate strawmen. That is right. Only the fire chiefs, who themselves are all 10+ year veteran firefighters who live, eat, work, and play with their brethren firefighters. You believe the rational explanation is that they sent their friends and family in to die. Perfectly rational.

Now... how much thermite is required to drop such a building?

huffy420 said:
Hey What... Huh?

Where did u come up with "glitter bomb waiting for 3 years to go off"?

So.. A few days turnes to 3 years when u read it? Hahah okay okay i see how u work.

Because securicom's contract ended in 98. 3 years. You are posting erronious information. That was the point. That dust was 3 inches thick for 30 sq blocks.

So they trucked up x ammount of thermite, and y ammount of concrete dust now... awesome. Anything else planted? The more the better.

huffy420 said:
Do you honestly believe regular fire kept the pile of rubble burning for three months?

I again ask if you know how long a thermite reaction lasts?

huffy420 said:
Buildings have basements, service elevators, other corridors that the general public dont have access to... Do u really think they would roll explosive charges into the fuckin lobby and into the main elevator??? Ur an idiot if u think that...

See what I mean? No reason to call names. Ever been to a demo rigging? Any idea the ammounts required, time required, access required? I know a demolitions expert. I haven't talked to big Tim in a long time. I guess I will fire up the phone for some expert estimates if none of you will give me any.

I am curious what you mean by families however... do you mean families of explosives? Or demo houses?

GrowRebel · Jun 19, 2009

what... huh? said:
This is why I stopped reading grow's posts 20 pages ago.

Once again making shit up ... and what gets me is we can easily check it out by reading past post ... it hasn't been "20 pages" ... when are you going to stop making shit up? You get busted every time you do it ... yet you continue to do so ... it only makes you look :dunce:

NoDrama · Jun 19, 2009

what... huh? said:
Oh... I thought...

In the words of Dick Cheney... "Go fuck yourself".

what... huh? said:
beginning

be·gin·ning [ bi gínning ]

noun (plural be·gin·nings)
Definition: 1. first part: the first part or early stages of something

I guess you define the beginning as the first sentence

Don't get upset at me because you are a contradictory prick.

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what... huh? said:
I have asked for civility since I got here, and yet I am still insulted in almost every post. I have been called a great number of things, and I stated quite clearly that I was feeling out the moderators on this site before I returned in kind.

Yep telling people to go fuck themselves and calling them contradictory pricks, yeah that is civility in action right there. Quite sure I have been the one acting civil.

The beginning is the FIRST PART not the second paragraph, not the second sentence the very first sentence. If someone told you to read them a book FROM THE BEGINNING, would you then go and start at the second chapter because its close enough? fuck no you would start at the sentence that began" It was a dark and stormy night." The FIRST sentence. If you are anti semantic then you are anti meaning of words, or another way to say it is, you try to convince others that the meaning of the word is somehow different than what everyone thinks it means. This is a forum, Semantics are extremely important, there is no way to tell sarcasm from seriousness as there is no inflection to a post. Words must have a common meaning and buddy let me tell ya, the beginning of a post is the first fucking sentence, not the second sentence and not the beginning of the second paragraph.

Now let me give you an estimate on how much thermite, between 1 pound and 10 trillion, somewhere in there ok? I have never blown up a world trade center so I can't tell you, maybe your friend has experience with 120 story steel skyscrapers, if he doesn't he isn't an expert at it is he?

How long will the reaction last? as long as there is reactable material, in the case of WTC 3 months. Pretty hard for us to PROVE anything and as such it is pretty hard for you to PROVE anything either. The building is gone, all the steel was melted down and the rest was burried in a land fill. So you go ahead and keep making your bridge argument and we will keep ignoring it.

huffy420 · Jun 19, 2009

what... huh? said:
Because securicom's contract ended in 98. 3 years. You are posting erronious information.

"A security company called Stratesec acquires an $8.3 million contract to help provide security at the World Trade Center. It is one of numerous contractors hired in the upgrade of security at the WTC following the 1993 bombing. Stratesec, which was formerly called Securacom, is responsible for installing the “security-description plan”—the layout of the electronic security system—at the World Trade Center. It has a “completion contract” to provide some of the center’s security “up to the day the buildings fell down,” according to Barry McDaniel, its CEO from January 2002. Another of Stratesec’s biggest security contracts, between 1995 and 1998, is with the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority, providing electronic security for Reagan National Airport and Dulles International Airport. Their work includes maintaining the airfield access systems, the CCTV (closed circuit television) systems, and the electronic badging systems. American Airlines Flight 77—one of the planes hijacked on 9/11—takes off from Dulles. Marvin P. Bush, the youngest brother of future President George W. Bush, is a director at Stratesec from 1993 to June 2000, when most of their work on these big projects is done. Wirt D. Walker III, a distant relative of George W. Bush, is chairman of the board at Stratesec from 1992, and its CEO from 1999 until January 2002. Another of Stratesec’s directors, from 1991 to 2001, is Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah, who is a member of the Kuwaiti royal family. Al Sabah is also chairman of an investment company called the Kuwait-American Corporation (KuwAm), which, between 1993 and 1999, holds a large, often controlling share of Stratesec. In 1996, it owns 90 percent of the company; by 1999 it owns 47 percent. According to Wayne Black, the head of a Florida-based security firm, it is delicate for a security company serving international facilities to be so interlinked with a foreign-owned company. He suggests: “Somebody knew somebody.” Black also points out that when a company has a security contract, “you know the inner workings of everything.” Furthermore, if another company is linked to the security company, then “what’s on your computer is on their computer.” After 9/11 Stratesec CEO Barry McDaniel is asked whether FBI or other agents have questioned him or others at Stratesec about their security work related to 9/11. He answers, “No.” [American Reporter, 1/20/2003; Progressive Populist, 2/1/2003; Prince George's Journal, 2/4/2003; Progressive Populist, 4/15/2003; Washington Spectator, 2/15/2005] "

cooperativeresearch.net/entity.jsp?entity=world_trade_center

Securacom's may had a contract end in 1998, BUT that doesnt mean they dont have to complete previous contracts

what... huh? said:
See what I mean? No reason to call names. Ever been to a demo rigging? Any idea the ammounts required, time required, access required? I know a demolitions expert. I haven't talked to big Tim in a long time. I guess I will fire up the phone for some expert estimates if none of you will give me any.

I dont think was name calling, I was simply saying that if you believed they would just roll explosives right into the lobby for everyone to see, instead of using the hidden service elevators... that would make you an idiot.

Oh... I thought...

what... huh? said:
In the words of Dick Cheney... "Go fuck yourself".

But now i shall call you something..... hypocrite!!

what... huh? said:
I am curious what you mean by families however... do you mean families of explosives? Or demo houses?

family owned companies

snowmanexpress · Jun 19, 2009

With some of that water, that was used to put out the flames.

What's in the sewer system then?

maybe youll find thermite still?

THE THERMITE IS IN THE WATER!

GrowRebel · Jun 20, 2009

snowmanexpress said:
With some of that water, that was used to put out the flames.

What's in the sewer system then?

maybe youll find thermite still?

THE THERMITE IS IN THE WATER!

Yeah ... keep it up laughing boy ... the only laughing is at you... check it out people some pretty interesting info ... to check out the WMV files you will have to click on the site link below. The links won't work here.
Thermite and the WTC Collapses

Image source: USGS Spectroscopy Lab
The temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to. [ABC News, 9/18/01]

"This is how it's been since day one...and this is six weeks later. As we get closer to the center of this it gets hotter and hotter - it's probably 1500 degrees." WMV video download (616kB)

"Out on the rubble it's still, I believe, 1,100 degrees. The guys boots just melt within a few hours." WMV video download (130kB)
In perfect conditions the maximum temperature that can be reached by hydrocarbons such as jet fuel burning in air is 1520° F (825° C). When the World Trade Center collapsed the deeply buried fires would have been deprived of oxygen and their temperatures would have significantly decreased.
Why was the temperature at the core of "the pile" nearly 500° F hotter than the maximum burning temperature of jet fuel a full seven days after the collapses? There were no infernos in either of the twin towers before they collapsed, so what caused the hot spots deep in their wreckage?

Here's another example of what WH put up ... see how he provides proof to dismiss his own arugments? ... Check it ...
One of the more unusual artifacts to emerge from the rubble is this rock-like object which has come to be known as "the meteorite". "This is a fused element of molten steel and concrete all fused by the heat into one single element".

WMV video download (376kB)

Melted police guns and concrete retrieved from the World Trade Center wreckage

Conventional fires cannot account for the above, but thermite can.
A thermite reaction generates extraordinarily high temperatures (>2500° C) and provides a credible explanation for the fires, hot spots and molten steel (a by-product of the thermite reaction) found in the collapsed buildings.

"I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions." [Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]
Video documenting nine explosions at the base of WTC 2 prior to its collapse.

WMV video dowenload (2.8 MB)

Thermite gives off dense white smoke with very little odor.
Video of smoke rising from the World Trade Center wreckage.
The smoke rising from the wreckage should have been black, not white.
The wreckage of WTC 2 radiated the greatest heat on September 16, 2001. Thermite detonations would account for this.

WMV video download (121kB)

Plenty more good info and videos on this subject, plus links to other web sites with excellent info.
You bushwhacked are fighting a losing battle. The evidence is clear to most of us. 911 was an inside job. It clearly explains why the government refuses to have a public non partisan investigation where witnesses must testify under oath with jail terms if caught lying while under oath. Then and only then will I shut the hell up and would watch and listen carefully to the investigation.

Antidisestablishmentarian · Jun 20, 2009

You do know that thermite burns fast right? Not for 6 weeks.

And there is no way those firemen would be leaning over a white hot pit like that. They would be dead.

Common sense is needed. Big time.

GrowRebel · Jun 20, 2009

Antidisestablishmentarian said:
You do know that thermite burns fast right? Not for 6 weeks.

Oh does it now ... source and link please ... and while you are at it explain what caused the heat for that long?

Antidisestablishmentarian said:
And there is no way those firemen would be leaning over a white hot pit like that. They would be dead.

And prey tell why would they be dead? The temp where they are is obviously not as hot as where they are looking.

Antidisestablishmentarian said:
Common sense is needed. Big time.

Yeah ... and you need to follow your own advice ... big time ... we'll be looking for that link. :sleep:

MediMary · Jun 20, 2009

avlon06 said:
I was just using him as an example, if these conspiracy theories were correct about and our government was as fucked up as they make it out to seem, i could see no one that posted 911 conspiracies or anythign similar to live very long, weather they just "disappear" or die suddenly it would happen if our government was that fucked up, but i do not believe that.

like william cooper RIP*

PadawanBater · Jun 20, 2009

MediMary said:
like william cooper RIP*

Or John ONiel, or John Graham

Both men tried to warn the FBI about an impending terrorist attack and were silenced and sent back home and told to just forget about it... then later both were found dead due to suspicious circumstances...

What could possibly explain that?

olosto · Jun 20, 2009

Say that its true... What now? What would you like done? Fill us in on the plan. I don't mean generalizations, give me specifics and who and what gets done.. The whole thing.. Be specific please...

GrowRebel · Jun 20, 2009

olosto said:
Say that its true... What now? What would you like done? Fill us in on the plan. I don't mean generalizations, give me specifics and who and what gets done.. The whole thing.. Be specific please...

We've already made it quite clear what must be done. An investigation ... independent ... non partisan ... public ... witnesses testify under oath ... in public forum ... nuff said. :-|

PadawanBater · Jun 21, 2009

Why is that so unreasonable?

Why was it so unreasonable in the first place, during the first investigation?

Why would you be against a non partisan, independent investigation into 911?

olosto · Jun 21, 2009

GrowRebel said:
We've already made it quite clear what must be done. An investigation ... independent ... non partisan ... public ... witnesses testify under oath ... in public forum ... nuff said.

Oh please.. I said if it were true.. Then what.. Specifics.. Do you not understand what I am asking?

olosto · Jun 21, 2009

PadawanBater said:
Why would you be against a non partisan, independent investigation into 911?

I have yet to any proof that warrents the spending of tax payer dollars to investigate this AGAIN.

This whole "911 Truthers" thing dishonors those that died in this event by marring this tradgedy with far fetched tin foil hat wet dream bull shit.

PadawanBater · Jun 21, 2009

olosto said:
I have yet to any proof that warrents the spending of tax payer dollars to investigate this AGAIN.
This whole "911 Truthers" thing dishonors those that died in this event by marring this tradgedy with far fetched tin foil hat wet dream bull shit.

　
Really, you're perfectly content with the previous 911 investigation? I mean 100% content? You don't think there was anything wrong with it?

Some people who claim to be '911 truthers' are indeed pretty damn nuts, no doubt about that. But you're an ignorant fool if you pick the very worst of a group and judge the rest by his actions.

There are plenty of legitimate questions coming from plenty of credible people, some of whom include the families of the victims of the 911 attacks.

What dishonors those that died in the event is those that'll take the governments word at face value and stifle actual investigating into what actually happened. I mean, when do governments ever lie, right?

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