Michigan Supreme Court rejects cooperative medical marijuana grow operations in Kent

precisely why i see most caregivers as patients and pot entially vice-versa.

I you have a designated caregiver you are not authorized to posess plants in any way period. If anyone tells you different they are lying.

Rare D MI said:

I you have a designated caregiver you are not authorized to posess plants in any way period. If anyone tells you different they are lying.

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Wow REALLY? You actually typed that and Stand by it? you are SO Completely WRONG RARE D. You can have a caregiver and easily be your own Plant possessor, The CG can not have 12 plants for you as well. that is the difference.
YOu can name GOD as your CG and you can still retain the possession of the plants.
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You can name a CG and NEITHER Of you need to GROW The plants.

Wow, and you say I don't understand the Law? You rare D are just Dangerous with the level of your ignorance of the 2008 MMM Act.

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that's my understanding too

Timmah, you're the one spreading the bad info. Either the patient grows the plants themselves, or they designate a caregiver to do so for them. End of story.

Are you retarded timmah? Read your fucking card. It says on it in bold letters, authorized to possess plants YES for patients without caregivers, it says NO for patients with caregivers. How do I know this? Cause I have patients and have seen their cards. Now how much of a grey area is that? None at all.

If you are a registered patient with a registered caregiver, you are NOT allowed to posess plants. That is what you are agreeing to in your caregiver agreement. You are authorizing them to posess your 12 plants you are allowed. Your caregiver in turn provides you with medicine from those plants. That's how the law is written, go get your fucking shine box timmah.

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Are you retarded timmah? Read your fucking card. It says on it in bold letters, authorized to possess plants YES for patients without caregivers, it says NO for patients with caregivers. How do I know this? Cause I have patients and have seen their cards. Now how much of a grey area is that? None at all.

If you are a registered patient with a registered caregiver, you are NOT allowed to posess plants. That is what you are agreeing to in your caregiver agreement. You are authorizing them to posess your 12 plants you are allowed. Your caregiver in turn provides you with medicine from those plants. That's how the law is written, go get your fucking shine box timmah.

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You are 100% wrong on that. You CAN have a caregiver and still posess and grow your own plants. You are flat out wrong........ It is all about if you designate said caregiver to possess your plants or designate yourself to possess your plants period. You have 2 options one if you want a caregiver or not and then you decide if you want said caregiver to possess your plants. That is 2 seperate choices. I know this because I have it that way, so yes that is exactly how it goes.

Sampras1489 said:

Timmah, you're the one spreading the bad info. Either the patient grows the plants themselves, or they designate a caregiver to do so for them. End of story.

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See my last post. End of story. End of bad info.

So what does your caregiver's card say on it? Not authorized to posess plants but authorized to posses medicine? But not legal to use medicine unless they also have their own patient card. Give me a few to link you to the part of Sec 6 where it says the caregiver OR qualifying patient allowed to possess plants.

How did you find a caregiver dumb enough to not use the plant count? What is he just a drug dealer turned "caregiver"?

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(avb11d55j2cwgs55qy3up355))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-333-26426

(d) The department shall issue a registry identification card to the primary caregiver, if any, who is named in a qualifying patient's approved application; provided that each qualifying patient can have no more than 1 primary caregiver, and a primary caregiver may assist no more than 5 qualifying patients with their medical use of marihuana.

(e) The department shall issue registry identification cards within 5 days of approving an application or renewal, which shall expire 1 year after the date of issuance. Registry identification cards shall contain all of the following:


(1) Name, address, and date of birth of the qualifying patient.


(2) Name, address, and date of birth of the primary caregiver, if any, of the qualifying patient.


(3) The date of issuance and expiration date of the registry identification card.


(4) A random identification number.


(5) A photograph, if the department requires 1 by rule.


(6) A clear designation showing whether the primary caregiver or the qualifying patient will be allowed under state law to possess the marihuana plants for the qualifying patient's medical use, which shall be determined based solely on the qualifying patient's preference.

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this can be interpreted a couple ways by the way it is written. But from what I gather, ozzrock's circumstance would be okay, but timmah's retarded inarticulate blathering does not make the point properly. Basically these type of situations, you guys are relying on non growing drug dealer "caregivers" for your herb and retaining you plant possession for a hobby? Why designate a caregiver at all if you're gonna grow your own plants anyway? I guess it's cool to connect your friends to you in the state registry so it looks less legitimate and more like criminal enterprises?

well one of my cards actually said that I was not allowed to posses my patients plants.... but, that is a fuck up on the states part.

I grow for others, I grow for myself, I have a caregiver. Its this simple: When I am in the hospital my caregiver retrieves oils for me, and brings them to me legally... I don't have to rely on anyone else or chance anyone else being at risk for my sake, patient to patient transfer is not needed in this case, and my doctor is aware and steps out while oral doses of RSO are taken. Simple as that.

News flash, you don't have to designate that person your caregiver to do that. That is a really specific type of situation too. So, you are a caregiver registered in the state, grow for others, but on your patient card it says that you have a caregiver also? And it says you are allowed to posses plants on your patient card?

There are many reasons to have a caregiver and have said caregiver NOT grow your plants. I do possess and grow my own plants.... I do have a caregiver..... My card does show I have a CG and it does show that I possess my plants. I am also a caregiver for others. All legal and none has anything to do with a drug dealer. In fact finding a caregiver that will agree NOT to possess plants makes said caregiver even LESS of a drug dealer IMO.... I provide all my own meds..... There are many things a caregiver can do for you besides provide meds. In my case my CG is my wife..... Like I said there are many reasons someone would assign a CG yet retain their own plants without it including any scheming , dealing, scamming or getting over on the system. In fact alot of these reasons are why they went with the pt/cg model to begin with...................

I see more than a Few do not understand this law and then they go online on forums of profess to show you their level of ignorance (ignorance is defined as NOT KNOWING THAT FACTS, its not a slam its an observation). This is why and how people that THINK They know the Law end up in trouble with the police.

This law has been in place 4 yrs now, and daily i hear people say, but Marijuana is legal in Michigan. Um no, its not, it is still illegal, but now there is an exception to prosecution for medical needs so long as that medical need is authorized by a Recommendation By a Mi Licensed Dr of Osteopath or a Regular MD.


Fact of the matter is a CG is the Agent of the Pt. THE CG can not do ANYTHING without a Patient. they can not grow without a pt, they can not possess with out a patient, they can not deliver, transfer, manufacture or process without a Patient. A Patient can do all of these things without a CG. those are the Points.

So as a Pt, you can Name a CG To possess and Grow your plants, or just assist you to to grow as you possess your own plants. That CG that does NOT have Plant grow rights, can hold 2.5 oz in reserve for you, and no, that CG does NOT Need to be the plant Possessor to HOLD that 2.5 oz in reserve for their assigned patients.

Look this isnt about a WHO is right, this is about what the LAW States, and what you think it means, and then what the state thinks it means, and then what the public thinks it means, and then in the middle it is about what the LAW actually states.

And the Law actually States as a Patient, it is the Patients choice as to WHO will possess and grow up to the 11 medical cannabis plants, not the CG. In the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act of 2008, the Patient has all the power. As it should be.

Sampras1489 said:

Timmah, you're the one spreading the bad info. Either the patient grows the plants themselves, or they designate a caregiver to do so for them. End of story.

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Learn to read there Sampras. That is what I am saying. Beside that fact Neither of them are REQUIRED TO Grow. Please point to the section of the MMM Act that states SOMEONE Must grow the plants?

You wont find it.

I agree, it states that SOMEONE Must possess the plants IF They are going to cultivate them. But it does not say someone MUST cultivate them.

every point I have made an RIU about this law is backed up by the Law, and multiple court cases.

To the extent the supreme court ruled on the Blysma case just as I intuitively understood that they would, per the existing laws.

Timmahh said:

I see more than a Few do not understand this law and then they go online on forums of profess to show you their level of ignorance (ignorance is defined as NOT KNOWING THAT FACTS, its not a slam its an observation). This is why and how people that THINK They know the Law end up in trouble with the police.

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Exactly my friend. Ignorance here would be repeatedly quoting LARA legislation as law and then the police in the same post. Do any of these "laws" you study so thoroughly define the legal term "Affirmative Defense"?

ozzrokk said:

There are many reasons to have a caregiver and have said caregiver NOT grow your plants. I do possess and grow my own plants.... I do have a caregiver..... My card does show I have a CG and it does show that I possess my plants. I am also a caregiver for others. All legal and none has anything to do with a drug dealer. In fact finding a caregiver that will agree NOT to possess plants makes said caregiver even LESS of a drug dealer IMO.... I provide all my own meds..... There are many things a caregiver can do for you besides provide meds. In my case my CG is my wife..... Like I said there are many reasons someone would assign a CG yet retain their own plants without it including any scheming , dealing, scamming or getting over on the system. In fact alot of these reasons are why they went with the pt/cg model to begin with...................

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Not scheming huh? Let me guess... Your wife doesn't smoke, or doesn't have a qualifying condition, so she's your caregiver so you can legally possess 5 oz. instead of 2.5... Seems likes a scheme to me...what happens when you're together and have 5 oz, and the officer pulling you over says, "we'll, if you have your 2.5 oz with you, why does she have to have your 2.5 oz too?" As her not being a patient would only allow her to posess your medicine, not hers.

Timmahh said:

Learn to read there Sampras. That is what I am saying. Beside that fact Neither of them are REQUIRED TO Grow. Please point to the section of the MMM Act that states SOMEONE Must grow the plants?

You wont find it.

I agree, it states that SOMEONE Must possess the plants IF They are going to cultivate them. But it does not say someone MUST cultivate them.

every point I have made an RIU about this law is backed up by the Law, and multiple court cases.

To the extent the supreme court ruled on the Blysma case just as I intuitively understood that they would, per the existing laws.

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So who is supposed to grow the plants timmah? This GOD you speak of?

Little bit of advice.

If you have been shown, repeatedly, to have no ability to read or understand bills, to continue to spout the same misinformation (OH GOD, the horror of it, patients have to pay for 4 doctor visits a year....etc) on different boards after you are corrected, with facts on other boards. When you resort to name calling out of frustration when repeatedly shown to be wrong. There is a take home lesson for you.

Stop talking and start listening. MAYBE you might learn something and become a productive member of the conversation.

To continue to try and demonstrate some 'special knowledge' or 'special insight' that Dr. Boob and the rest of the ignorant people here are just not capable of understanding is not playing well on the board. Nor does it make folks inclined to give ANYTHING you say any value.

Talk less, listen more.

Thanks-

Dr. Bob