Making a living as a caregiver

and of the 300-

none are cannabinoids.

we weren't discussing antibodies.

point.

edit: i meant antibiotics. i am doind a number of things at the moment, one of which is smoking a joint.

Murfy said:

and the sad part is-

this guy wants to know if you can live as a caregiver?

i bet if we had a piece of paper like the doc, we sure as fuck could. i spent 30 years in the construction industry. there is no aspect i don't grasp. do i get to give five thousand dollar consults(by the way, i don't actually go on the roof, it will be up to you to have the pics and measurements ready).

i have spent the last five or six years absolutely POURING over cannabis science. if had went the wayne county school of douchery, i would be papered, but because i chose independent study, i must be reduced to arguments with the state school poster boy.

i want my paper. bob, lets have an debate. if i win, you can petition you alma mater, to paper me honorarily, stressing the fact i bested you in forum.

the topic, cannabis sativa.

edit: Did you take the Hippocratic Oath?

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Gosh if I had just taken the time to go to school and study math and physics I could be an engineer! But in the meantime, since I didn't, I'll just criticize those that did....

You think reading a book on physiology makes you qualified to practice medicine? Bested me? The only thing you did was show ignorance as to the entire process of medical decision making and the scope of medical practice.

I don't know every strain in existence. Either do you. But I know enough generally to make some broad recommendations and deal with problems, as has been demonstrated. I also know where to send patients for further information. To expect me to have specific recommendations, strain by strain, is not only unrealistic, it borders on a prescription rather than a recommendation and would be illegal under the CSA.

This explanation is given as a courtesy to you and the members of the board, because they are interested in the medical process behind certifications and recommendations, despite your discourteous method of bringing up the subject.

Dr. Bob

Murfy said:

and of the 300-

none are cannabinoids.

we weren't discussing antibodies.

point.

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It is ANTIBIOTICS not antibodies... point back at you.

Dr. Bob

my turn-

did you swear to the healing gods?

By the way Murph, sounds like you have put quite a bit of study into the subject of strains, CBC's, etc. You are quite a resource not only for the board, but for professionals such as myself.

But instead of sharing your knowledge with people like me, who need it, you made the choice to attack and demean those of us in medicine that are working to help this community. And you wonder why your personal physician and 14 out of 15 physicians in Michigan want to have nothing to do with this community or Act.

You ought to think about that, along with a few other loudmouths on this board.

Dr. Bob

keep in mind-

many mexicans, paid less than minimum, secure more detail regularly, on brick humping jobs.

i hope i can learn to be more courteous. i did not take an oath to it.

Murfy said:

my turn-

did you swear to the healing gods?

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Yes I took an oath and devoted myself to medicine long ago. And I've lived up to that oath every day since. Now I am done talking with you due to attitude. If you wish to continue this, do so in PM.

Dr. Bob

In fact, I think I am going to take Glads advice for awhile. I don't need this crap. I've got work to do and will do it with or without the input of this board. I have plenty of places to post information for those that want it. You guys need a lesson on manners and on-line courtesy.

Dr. Bob

oh-

i didn't say AN oath. i said THE oath. secretly swearing to make all the money you can, while smiling and saying "yes!" when the Hippocratic is mentioned is certainly uncontentious.

Aren't most doctors dealing with patients at this time of day/week? "Hi, you've reached the office of Dr. Townsend. The Doctor isn't in right now due to the internets. If this is an emergency go to the hospital."

Murfy said:

oh-

i didn't say AN oath. i said THE oath. secretly swearing to make all the money you can, while smiling and saying "yes!" when the Hippocratic is mentioned is certainly uncontentious.

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What an inflammatory and insulting thing for you to say. You think docs give up years of their lives, are on call 24/7 (I once had to work 27 months without a day off- have you? And those were 24 hour days), simply to try and make money off you? You ever read the oath?

Tell you what, since many of you have a dog in the fight opposing the current standards, and are more interested in looking for 6 year old dirt on me (but not mentioning I won the case and was cleared), perhaps you should concentrate more on what I actually do in the community. You see my testimony in Lansing on Jan 25th for PTSD as a new condition? Do you know I've been working with someone on another board to submit BiPolar as a condition (apparently that may be good news for many of you)? You aware of the fact I have clinics all over the state where I take NOTHING for the certifications to help those in the community that can't afford the cost of a certification? Or the countless hours driving to and being a guest speaker at compassion clubs? Again, for no charge?

You are right stow, not worth my time.

Dr. Bob

Uncle Pirate said:

Aren't most doctors dealing with patients at this time of day/week? "Hi, you've reached the office of Dr. Townsend. The Doctor isn't in right now due to the internets. If this is an emergency go to the hospital."

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Looking at the schedule, you will see I am in Cady at 11 today, and my office staff is in at 10. Your point is what? You want an appointment, call, I'll answer myself. I generally do.

Oh, and if you look at the same schedule, you will see I've done 7 clinics from Vanderbilt (already mentioned here) to Iron Mt and Houghton since Friday. So once again, your snipe is quite uncalled for.

Dr. Bob

I find so many people look for the perfect strain. And look for suggestions. I get that but I'm convinced the genetic variety available is what keeps it working. I rarely use the same strain two times in a row, I do have my favorites for certain times or situations. It is also a huge beef with me is the plant number vs square foot. If someone really wants to go pheno hunting and do things the way any responsible breeder should they cannot do that with the low plant numbers. It would be sweet to see some special regulations for people interested in improving the plant as opposed to just producing medicine. A patient should be able to find a huge selection of good strains. Theoretically they could have there own breeding program where they caregiver gives them 50 samples to test and they get to pick the next generations. Custom strains for every ailment. Absolutely impossible with low plant numbers!

Bigtacofarmer said:

I find so many people look for the perfect strain. And look for suggestions. I get that but I'm convinced the genetic variety available is what keeps it working. I rarely use the same strain two times in a row, I do have my favorites for certain times or situations. It is also a huge beef with me is the plant number vs square foot. If someone really wants to go pheno hunting and do things the way any responsible breeder should they cannot do that with the low plant numbers. It would be sweet to see some special regulations for people interested in improving the plant as opposed to just producing medicine. A patient should be able to find a huge selection of good strains. Theoretically they could have there own breeding program where they caregiver gives them 50 samples to test and they get to pick the next generations. Custom strains for every ailment. Absolutely impossible with low plant numbers!

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There's a few in MI that will grow anything that's requested, or will provide advice should one ask for strain to help X condition.

I realize that. I was more meaning the breeding aspects. It takes 1000's of plants to make truly stable strains. Not since the 80's when skunk, haze, and northern lights were queen. People out west are getting into some real numbers again and I imagine we are going to see a whole new generation of super stains. Just not in Michigan yet.

Figong said:

There's a few in MI that will grow anything that's requested, or will provide advice should one ask for strain to help X condition.

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I grow what is requested except for a few testers..

Sorry Bob. I know I was one of the first to roast you in here on this thread. I had high hopes of a doctor that really knew all about all parts of the cannabis medicine, projected it on you and was disappointed when you didn't have all the answers. I still disagree with a lot of your legal-type advice but you're valuable to our community in your capacity. I have disagreements with your legal interpretation at times and possibly some moral squabbles with you but I don't mean to discredit you or what you do. you stick your dick out for patients like the dispensary owners do that stay open and get closed and open up again to get meds to people etc. No reason to jam pile on you I just wanted more info than you have and that's my hang up not yours. I was hoping you'd be an encyclopedia of cannabis medicine and that's a pretty unfair assumption to have about anyone. I also shit on you for your interpretations of caregiving and that role but you should get your opinion too, I have mine. How's bout I just agree to disagree and tell you I think you're valuable as a certification doctor and patient advocate. it's not all negative and disagreement between you and I, I respect your medical knowledge. You seem to have already round about acknowledged my expertise as a caregiver and grower (if not personally about the general profession) so let's walk on this thread, the OP left a while ago LOL! No ignore setting necessary and no promise not to argue again, just not here in this thread today.

what-

im not a walking pot encyclopedia?

hey, OP, get a taste of the pro caregiver circuit?

Murfy said:

what-

im not a walking pot encyclopedia?

hey, OP, get a taste of the pro caregiver circuit?

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Yeah buddy ! I am going to say only 1% will ever become Bonafide Pro Caregivers in all actuality , just like Bikers the 1% club is where it is at .. I think its more about dedication and education than anything else . There is endless knowledge to be found when it comes to Cannabis and her mysteries but one must dedicate there life in order to fully even be able to grasp such in all honesty ... I enjoy a infinite study myself as its a lot less mundane and my devotion to mary is endless ..PotSnob

Pure Michigan Drama is where its at !