Making a living as a caregiver
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bloodytrichomes
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^^^is that with strait water or with nutes 
bowlfullofbliss
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Dr. Bob, I have never jumped on the bandwagon in here piling up on you. I haven't felt the need. But after reading this..........I must say that if I ever had a Dr. that had this little understanding and knowledge of their practice, I would turn and run away from you. It is so very clear that you have little to no knowledge about what you do for a living, regarding only mmj. I hope your understanding of the human body far exceeds what you know about marijuana, because right now I'm concerned. Anyone who takes 10 minutes and reads a thread or two can "advise" people to use indicas for pain relief. I'm finding it really hard to believe that this is an industry that you "specialize" in. Maybe you should take some time off of work and learn the industry, so you can actually speak from an educated position to your patients. From what I've seen here, you have a very long way to go.
Dr. Bob
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I consider the sources of the drama. That makes it far less important.
The point is that hopefully someone will pick up some good information and listen to what folks have to say. Unfortunately some folks seem too busy trying to research the internet trying to find (unsuccessfully) ways to discredit me that the message gets lost between the source and those that need the information.
Dr. Bob
Dr. Bob
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My personal preference is not to recommend specific strains- I give generalities and information about CBD's etc. The experts are the ones with extensive experience with each strain- ie the caregivers, compassion club members, etc. are the best sources of specific strain advice. Another key feature is what strains are available in the local area.
Dr. Bob
Figong
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Have to ask.. since you do not prefer to recommend strains, would you tell patients which strains to avoid? Am not sure as to the scope for your background, so figured I'd ask as a baseline.
Dr. Bob
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Interesting words. Care to explain how I am incorrect? Educate me. I've NEVER made a claim to be an expert on grow techniques or specific stains. I have experts that can provide specifics. They are called caregivers and compassion clubs. I am very curious as to why you disagree with my suggestions of what I've found useful.
Dr. Bob
Dr. Bob
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Sativas from what I can understand form some sources aggravate anxiety. Others claim the effect is from poor curing.
But again, strain selection is not part of what I do, nor do I have expertise with it.
Dr. Bob
Figong
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Was just wondering if you'd let the caregivers also make recommendations on what not to use, which can sometimes be a disaster - LZ mentioned a day or 2 ago that a caregiver recommended Jack The Ripper to an 80 year old heart patient who was prone to panic attack/anxiety.
Dr. Bob
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And Jack the Ripper is what? Sativa?
Marijuana is a titrated medication. That is another reason we need to have original model compassion clubs. They are a source of useful information on this subject.
Dr. Bob
Figong
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JTR, if true and not modified or a ripoff is 80%/20% Sativa/Indica - yes..
Dr. Bob
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So my recommendation was correct. Avoid sativas with anxiety.
My job as the physician is to make broad recommendations and try and evaluate problems that arise. You just saw an example of troubleshooting an unwanted symptom from an unknown (to me) strain of marijuana. I correctly identified the most likely cause of the symptom.
Dr. Bob
Figong
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Yup, quite so - not guaranteed it'll occur, but much more likely statistically from the figures I've seen.
Huel Perkins
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There is a lot more to it than just indicas or sativas, you can have an indica strain with totally sativa effects and vice versa. Most of the time it is not about finding the right strain but finding the right pheno.
Btw Bob, I just found out you saw my friend's wife over the weekend to get her certified. She said it was up north in some log cabin sort of place lol!
Murfy
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gonna have to join the club-
an pin you to the wall on this one Doc. as it seems to be something i run into alot lately with a degenerative spine injury.
it IS the roofers job to know shingles, and the carpenter boards.
could you imagine your doctor tellin you " It's not really my job to know ALL the meds. i just give general info on pharmaceuticals and stuff, it's the pharmacists job to know all these meds. so......................i'm just gonna write you for Keflex, Oxycontin, Klonopin< fentynal, and Ben-Gay. it will be up to you and the pharmacist to work it out from there."
i had the doctor actually say to my face " i'm stumped, what should we do next?" . that was the guy whose life they say i threatened.
if you came to my house, after i wrote a 7500 hundred dollar check, and started nailing shingles on upside down and backwards, i'd shoot you off the fuckin roof for sure.(i know myself)
one thing to think about soon, Doc. when the new medical hedgefund kicks in and all the sick folks stop getting real drugs, and can feel their pain again, they are not goin to take simple excuses anymore. the internet is jading folks, and when they realize they line of shit you are feeding them SHOWS(PROVES) you are not a real doctor, they are going to become violent.
if i were to study general physiology for three months, i could make you look like a monkey with a typewriter. only 999 more years till he writes the bard.
an pin you to the wall on this one Doc. as it seems to be something i run into alot lately with a degenerative spine injury.
it IS the roofers job to know shingles, and the carpenter boards.
could you imagine your doctor tellin you " It's not really my job to know ALL the meds. i just give general info on pharmaceuticals and stuff, it's the pharmacists job to know all these meds. so......................i'm just gonna write you for Keflex, Oxycontin, Klonopin< fentynal, and Ben-Gay. it will be up to you and the pharmacist to work it out from there."
i had the doctor actually say to my face " i'm stumped, what should we do next?" . that was the guy whose life they say i threatened.
if you came to my house, after i wrote a 7500 hundred dollar check, and started nailing shingles on upside down and backwards, i'd shoot you off the fuckin roof for sure.(i know myself)
one thing to think about soon, Doc. when the new medical hedgefund kicks in and all the sick folks stop getting real drugs, and can feel their pain again, they are not goin to take simple excuses anymore. the internet is jading folks, and when they realize they line of shit you are feeding them SHOWS(PROVES) you are not a real doctor, they are going to become violent.
if i were to study general physiology for three months, i could make you look like a monkey with a typewriter. only 999 more years till he writes the bard.
Murfy
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and the sad part is-
this guy wants to know if you can live as a caregiver?
i bet if we had a piece of paper like the doc, we sure as fuck could. i spent 30 years in the construction industry. there is no aspect i don't grasp. do i get to give five thousand dollar consults(by the way, i don't actually go on the roof, it will be up to you to have the pics and measurements ready).
i have spent the last five or six years absolutely POURING over cannabis science. if had went the wayne county school of douchery, i would be papered, but because i chose independent study, i must be reduced to arguments with the state school poster boy.
i want my paper. bob, lets have an debate. if i win, you can petition you alma mater, to paper me honorarily, stressing the fact i bested you in forum.
the topic, cannabis sativa.
edit: Did you take the Hippocratic Oath?
this guy wants to know if you can live as a caregiver?
i bet if we had a piece of paper like the doc, we sure as fuck could. i spent 30 years in the construction industry. there is no aspect i don't grasp. do i get to give five thousand dollar consults(by the way, i don't actually go on the roof, it will be up to you to have the pics and measurements ready).
i have spent the last five or six years absolutely POURING over cannabis science. if had went the wayne county school of douchery, i would be papered, but because i chose independent study, i must be reduced to arguments with the state school poster boy.
i want my paper. bob, lets have an debate. if i win, you can petition you alma mater, to paper me honorarily, stressing the fact i bested you in forum.
the topic, cannabis sativa.
edit: Did you take the Hippocratic Oath?
Dr. Bob
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That was the Alpine Cannabis Society, an original model compassion club in Vanderbilt. Nice bunch of folks up there.
Dr. Bob
stumpjumper
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I have to agree with Murphy..
You'd think Dr Pot, who makes a living certifying patients for MMJ would know a little more about the medicine than what it takes to figure out with less than a half a days research.
Dr Bob admitted himself that he leaves it to the caregiver "experts" to recommend specific meds. Maybe the "experts" should be writing the certifications also.. Why pay some middle man that doesn't know shit other than his personal legal opinion, for a signature?
You'd think Dr Pot, who makes a living certifying patients for MMJ would know a little more about the medicine than what it takes to figure out with less than a half a days research.
Dr Bob admitted himself that he leaves it to the caregiver "experts" to recommend specific meds. Maybe the "experts" should be writing the certifications also.. Why pay some middle man that doesn't know shit other than his personal legal opinion, for a signature?
Dr. Bob
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Newsflash for you... Doctors DON'T know every medicine on the market. In pharmacology we are taught prototypical drugs from each class, what their basic characteristics are, their pharmacology, their uses and side effects. Take e-mycin for example. By knowing the pharmacology of that basic drug that has been available for years, we can understand the uses of zithromax. I have a group of about 300 drugs I know well and use regularly in practice. Yet there are thousands on the market, most of which are variations on a theme. Then there are chemotherapy drugs that change on a daily basis and I never use. I don't spend a lot of time on those, but if I have a patient on one, I know enough about it to watch for side effects I need to be aware of.
So your answer is not really to the point.
Dr. Bob