Let's talk about this stupid immigration issue

tumorhead said:

If we switched to a tamper proof state issued ID card/drivers license and required employers to verify the SS# with a federal database + the ID card I don't see how they could mass produce enough fake id's and corresponding SS# to become an epidemic.

@canndo I know how it is, I used to work for a general contractor then got my own license and partnered with the head hispanic guy. I was the clean cut white guy who negotiated jobs while hector was in charge of labor. They worked harder than any white guys, by a long shot.

Why wouldn't I seek them out since I could rely on them to do the work faster and better than most people unless there was a penalty I would face for doing so? They worked 14+ hour days because I paid them well.

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Dr Kynes said:

Y U Make Me Agree Wif U??!!!

illegal immigration causes massive problems, from crime ridden barrios of people who are afraid to call the cops when victimized by the gangs that dominate their lives to a captive workforce terrified theyll be reported to La Migra if they speak up against their oppressors, to ACTUAL SLAVERY( http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-14/local/me-35070_1_back-wages ), all caused by the cupidity of our "Leaders" and the duplicity of the ultra-lefty bleeding hearts who cry RACISM!! whenever the concept of border security is discussed.

Most pro-illegal voices trot out the strawmen that "undocumented workers" "only take the jobs ameriicans dont want" but as a cat who has been displaced by "insourcing" several times ill tell you that aint true.

in california, the wages for a forklift operator, a farm hand, construction workers, and "service jobs" has fallen to below the cost of living. even jobs at McDonalds have fallen become difficult to find, and many "contractors" for big companies like wal-mart, target, and even state county and city buildings have been filled by illegals who actually get paid far less than minimum wage.

the cost of auditing all these "contractor" businesses who hire illegals for illegally low wages makes the chances of getting caught braking the many existing employment laws almost infinitesimal. the state is spending so much on educating, providing healthcare, and coddling illegals and their kids that they cant even afford to investigate the criminal "employers" who are abusing their serfs.

the costs to society for keeping a perpetual underclass in bondage is staggering, butt the costs of actually DOING something about the problem would cost so much in the short term and result in so much butthurt among the shrill voices who LIKE having cheap lettuce and dont mind getting it from a slave, and the shreiking wails of the clowns who equate all law enforcement which necessarily targets brown people with RACISM!! that nothing can be done without real action which will inevitably cost some politicians their jobs.

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Canna Sylvan said:

This is where I make my perfunctory, "close the fucking borders for all!" Problem solved. Those 12 million illegals children's children will assimilate into real Americans. That's a reasonable compromise.

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ginjawarrior said:

where these numbers then?

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canndo said:

Add to this those others, asians who managed to get here without actually crossing anything but an ocean. They tend to work for larger but still shady firms who need desktop support and keep Quoc occupied doing far from menial tasks but getting paid half the wage an IT peon would "command". The ones I have met are thankful that the spotlight is perpetualy on the poor Mexican or Nicaraguan and they are almost always presumed to be legal because they speak well, wear nice cloths and drive a souped up Subaru. They as well send money home while they live 5 or 6 to an apartment.

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ginjawarrior said:

just wondering??

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nontheist said:

Well canndo I know this touches you bleeding heart but the reason mexicans have the spotlight is because the one nationality is responsible for 60% of illegal immigration. It is much harder and expensive for others to jump visas. It happens but at a much lower rate and fixing this issue which should also be done will make getting a US visa more of a nightmare than it already is.

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canndo said:

No, the problem won't be solved, we will still get millions in other ways - so long as there are jobs that from their perspective are gold mines, jobs that pay so well that they can send percentages of it to their families back home. But the point is not to stop every illegal, the point is to slow the influx AND to make a statement. We make a statement now - "if you are capable of dragging your sorry ass 30 miles through the desert and you are willing to work and be uncomfortable there is a place for you in Los Estados Unidos. A "see that fence? it MEANS something" would be a better statement in my opinion.

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Canna Sylvan said:

Why not? You can leave but never come back in again. The illegals will breed themselves out of existence. It might take 30 years, but it's already been a problem for over 30 years for me anyway.

But things will need to change. Like English only, none of this catering to other languages when it comes to government services.

I won't even require any citizenship tests anymore. I'll setup services which teach proper English useage for free and anyone can use them.

Everyone from here on out will automatically be a citizen. If you don't like it, leave.

Every citizen shall have any weapon the military has. If said weapon is too dangerous for the average citizen. NO ONE has it, not the military, police nor even God.

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canndo said:

Having a heart does not necessarily mean it bleeds. Beyond that, we forget that Mexico is simply the last stop before the states, and folks come from central and even south america.

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Dr Kynes said:

...the ultra-lefty bleeding hearts who cry RACISM!! whenever the concept of border security is discussed.

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canndo said:

So, no aircraft carriers for anyone then?

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UncleBuck said:

news to me, kynes.

border security is not racist at all. mildly retarded, as there exist things called ladders, and ineffectual, as half of all illegal immigrants come here legally.

so mildly retarded and ineffectual, but not racist.

racism is what happens when sockpuppettheist opens his mouth. he's over in the other immigration thread pointing to studies conducted by neo-nazi, white supremacist hate groups and talking about how we need to undo the 14th amendment and talking about how illegal immigration boils down to uneducated mexicans who have 15 kids.

just to clarify.

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nontheist said:

You're right bucky its not racism it the new liberal term "profiling". Just because you stumble across a man in the desert with no identification can't speak english, wearing a sweater gives you no right to question his motives or use common sense for that matter.

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ChesusRice said:

Canndo they avoid the immigration system because for mexicans the wait is 18 years
For most of the rest of the world a visa is obtainable in 8 months

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nontheist said:

Present-day countries of origin

According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the countries of origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows (latest of 2009):[SUP][7][/SUP]

Country of origin	Raw number	Percent of total	Percent change 2000 to 2009
Mexico	6,650,000	62%	+42%
El Salvador	530,000	5%	+25%
Guatemala	480,000	4%	+65%
Honduras	320,000	3%	+95%
Philippines	270,000	2%	+33%
India	200,000	2%	+64%
Korea	200,000	2%	+14%
Ecuador	170,000	2%	+55%
Brazil	150,000	1%	+49%
China	120,000	1%	-37%
Other	1,650,000	15%	-17%

Absolutely nothing to prove that the border should be our first priority

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nontheist said:

You're pointing out the exact dilemma we face, try to label finger pointers as a problem because they focus on the largest object. You're saying "this is an issue but because mexico in the focus granted most illegals cross the mexican border we need to stop all reasoning skills and focus why the mexican border is our focus"..... How the fuck do liberals manage to get their shoes tied?

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