Let's talk about this stupid immigration issue

canndo

canndo

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ChesusRice said:
Canndo they avoid the immigration system because for mexicans the wait is 18 years
For most of the rest of the world a visa is obtainable in 8 months
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You know how I hate anecdotal - but it is what I am going on now because I can't figure a way to determine motiation other than having talked to loads of illegals.

They are not interested in giving up their Mexican citizenship - in fact many of them have told me that I am not free - "Mexico es libertad". They don't want American citizenship, they simply want to be able to work here unencumbered. Eventually they develop roots and many want their chlldren to be citizens- but many also want that because it will afford them some amount of security and they see possibilities. They also don't much care about speaking the language - or so they say - so long as someone in their family is "embeded" and that includes fluency. From my perspective, they avoid the immigration system because the needn't bother, 18 years or 18 weeks.
 
canndo

canndo

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nontheist said:
Quote the number of illegals the cross the Canadian border. Since your flinging shit here let see how much substance it has
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I can't think of but a few cities that have significant expansions across the Canadian border - What? Detroit? Seattle/Victoria Montreal? I don't know my geography very well. How about that San Diego/Tijuana border? and those Texas points? Seems like there are more opportunities let alone more incentive - most Canadians don't much care to be here rather than there. Or am I wrong?
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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canndo said:
I have run numbers that indicate that even allowing for the taxes that illegals pay, the contribution to the national work force and their being consumers - we would be better served to actually round up all illegals and deport them. The cost is NOT prohibitive.

Any thoughts?
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ginjawarrior said:
where these numbers then?
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ginjawarrior said:
just wondering??
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nontheist said:
uh too helpless to google amnesty cost?
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he made the claim its up to him to back it up
 
nontheist

nontheist

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canndo said:
most Canadians don't much care to be here rather than there. Or am I wrong?
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Thats my point, desperate shit flinging hoping for something to stick. Canndo the problem in dealing with illegal immigration comes from your political affiliation refusing to see facts. They choose a finger in the ears NANANA approach. It seems they want the problem to get so big its impossible to do anything about it ignoring the fact it has the possibility to destroy us financially.
 
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ChesusRice

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canndo said:
You know how I hate anecdotal - but it is what I am going on now because I can't figure a way to determine motiation other than having talked to loads of illegals.

They are not interested in giving up their Mexican citizenship - in fact many of them have told me that I am not free - "Mexico es libertad". They don't want American citizenship, they simply want to be able to work here unencumbered. Eventually they develop roots and many want their chlldren to be citizens- but many also want that because it will afford them some amount of security and they see possibilities. They also don't much care about speaking the language - or so they say - so long as someone in their family is "embeded" and that includes fluency. From my perspective, they avoid the immigration system because the needn't bother, 18 years or 18 weeks.
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Most immigrants have no intention of staying permanently. But they end up doing so anyways.
Here is the latest Visa bulletin from the state department
Family-Sponsored
All Charge-ability Areas Except Those ListedCHINA- mainland bornINDIAMEXICOPHILIPPINES
F122DEC0522DEC0522DEC0508JUL9322DEC97
F2A22SEP1022SEP1022SEP1001SEP1022SEP10
F2B08DEC0408DEC0408DEC0422NOV9215APR02
F322JUN0222JUN0222JUN0208MAR9308AUG92
F408APR0108APR0108APR0122JUL9615APR89
http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5834.html

Now it's not anecdotal for you anymore
 
nontheist

nontheist

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ChesusRice said:
Most immigrants have no intention of staying permanently. But they end up doing so anyways.
Here is the latest Visa bulletin from the state department
Family-Sponsored
All Charge-ability Areas Except Those ListedCHINA- mainland bornINDIAMEXICOPHILIPPINES
F122DEC0522DEC0522DEC0508JUL9322DEC97
F2A22SEP1022SEP1022SEP1001SEP1022SEP10
F2B08DEC0408DEC0408DEC0422NOV9215APR02
F322JUN0222JUN0222JUN0208MAR9308AUG92
F408APR0108APR0108APR0122JUL9615APR89
http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5834.html

Now it's not anecdotal for you anymore
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We fucking know chesus repeating a stupid fact doesn't make it less stupid. They already account for 32% of all our immigration which is already unfair to others, we cannot ignore all other nationalities nor can we just approve everyone.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nontheist said:
Present-day countries of origin

According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the countries of origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows (latest of 2009):[SUP][7][/SUP]
Country of originRaw numberPercent of totalPercent change 2000 to 2009
Mexico6,650,00062%+42%
El Salvador530,0005%+25%
Guatemala480,0004%+65%
Honduras320,0003%+95%
Philippines270,0002%+33%
India200,0002%+64%
Korea200,0002%+14%
Ecuador170,0002%+55%
Brazil150,0001%+49%
China120,0001%-37%
Other1,650,00015%-17%
Absolutely nothing to prove that the border should be our first priority
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you are aware of the existance of ladders, right? and the fact that half of illegal immigrants came here legally, right?

or are you just doubling down on that distinctive flavor of southern stupidity?
 
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ChesusRice

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nontheist said:
We fucking know chesus repeating a stupid fact doesn't make it less stupid. They already account for 32% of all our immigration which is already unfair to others, we cannot ignore all other nationalities nor can we just approve everyone.
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How is it unfair?
Who are we excluding?
 
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ChesusRice

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nontheist said:
We fucking know chesus repeating a stupid fact doesn't make it less stupid. They already account for 32% of all our immigration which is already unfair to others, we cannot ignore all other nationalities nor can we just approve everyone.
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Never answered the question on who we are excluding
 
Red1966

Red1966

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tumorhead said:
We solved the immigration issue easily in the 1950's, google "operation wetback", it's so simple it's laughable that we have so much back and forth when we've solved it before, and easily could again if we actually wanted to. But many people both conservative and liberal have reasons for not wanting, conservatives want the cheap labor...
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If you think ONLY conservatives want cheap labor, you haven't been paying attention.
 
tumorhead

tumorhead

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Red1966 said:
If you think ONLY conservatives want cheap labor, you haven't been paying attention.
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I thought libs were the party of unions? Now I've heard some allegations within the past few years of some unions changing their view towards illegals, but all the union guys I've known in my life were whiter than white 'mericans complaining about both illegals and non union workers. (and prevailing wage) Shit to get into the steamfitters union you have to have a relative already in it.
 
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