LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

okthanks2

okthanks2

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Well, I tested out the ATI ProColor bulbs I bought. I started with 4 plants all 4 inches tall. I put 4 procolor and 4 spectralux bulbs into an 8 bulb 2 foot T5 sunblaze and vegged for 10 days. The plants grew 24". The leaves are about 10" in diameter! They stretched like crazy however, but I have never seen anything like this before. Absolutely insane! Would NOT recommend for vegging due to the stretch, but WOULD recommend for flowering due to the HUGE SIZE OF THE FAN LEAVES! I know they are discontinued, but they are just PINK bulbs. Nothing more. These pink bulbs are available from about 3 other companies. They are "PLANT GROW" bulbs. Basically, red, white, and blue color light in one bulb. They also come in the compact florescent version, but they are identical to the aqua medic plant grow and zoo med flora sun. I have found the flora sun's to be very unreliable however. Anyway, for sure add this bulb to your flowering regimen. My next experiment will be to combine 4 ProColor and 4 Ati Blue Plus to veg with to see if it will control the stretch and still produce huge fan leaves and an extreme growth rate.
 
organicbynature

organicbynature

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Have the Flora Suns been acting up on you, okthanks2?

I've got 6 going right now and haven't had any problems yet.

Anyone interested in some pics with T5s as supplemental lighting? I've got HPS and LED as my overheads.
 
Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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organicbynature said:
Have the Flora Suns been acting up on you, okthanks2?

I've got 6 going right now and haven't had any problems yet.

Anyone interested in some pics with T5s as supplemental lighting? I've got HPS and LED as my overheads.
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The more pics the better, thats what Ive got (- the leds) HPS/cool tube w 8 t5s on the sides
 
Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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hyroot said:
I.want to rock some pro colors. So two 2ft 8 bulbs vs one 4ft 8 bulb. thoughts?
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I would think the two fixtures would give you more room for adjustability, putting them at just the right level over certain plants. however each T5 bulb has an inch or two at each end that produce less light than the center... out of two 24" tubes you may loose 4-8" total usable tube over the length of 4ft (1-2" from each of 4 tube ends). One single fixture may be abit more efficient but is obviously bigger and thusly harder to adjust to the perfect light for all your plants. my 2cents

I know you know, but others may not know the ProColors are discontinued and only available in 24" tubes until the stock is used up.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Undercover Cop said:
At least they didnt try to advertise it as a 300w light using 100 3w LED's... not how they work but thats how most of the garbage led's on ebay are advertized.
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Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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I also saw where they correctly show the models power draw vs # of diodes... the 300w panel uses 150 3w diodes at about 62% power on average, consuming 275w. Almost every panel out there, especially the BS ones on ebay would list that as a 450w fixture.

The average idiot would see a bigger diode and say "sure thats a 3w led all right", then count 150 of em and be happy with their 450w fixture. They're not gonna tear it open to look at the circuitry inside or even know what they're looking at. I was praising them for being honest. It does look like some pretty good quality, but performance vs $$$ who knows, maybe in the long run, who knows.

Model
Total Coverage
Core Coverage
LED Specs
Avg. Power Draw
DS100
2.5ft x 3ft
2ft x 2.5ft
(50) 3w High Output LEDs (single chip)
92w
DS200
3ft x 3.5ft
2.5ft x 3ft
(100) 3w High Output LEDs (single chip)
185w
DS300
3.5ft x 4ft
3ft x 3ft
(150) 3w High Output LEDs (single chip)
275w
DS400
3ft x 4.5ft
2.5ft x 4ft
(200) 3w High Output LEDs (single chip)
360w
DS600
3.5ft x 4.5ft
3ft x 4ft
(300) 3w High Output LEDs (single chip)
540w
DS800
4.5ft x 5.5ft
3.5ft x 4.5ft
(400) 3w High Output LEDs (single chip)
710w


... I love seeing the value packs of grow light cfls on ebay... 500watts of grow light power! 2 150w cfls and 2 100w cfls only $30!... when its just two 26w and two 42w cfls being advertized as the incandescent equivalents and marked up a few hundred percent and sold to the gullible. They're not lying because those are 3w leds (underdriven, like most are) but its good to see them actually displaying the stats and not just leaving you to count 150 tiny led's then do the math on your own and wonder how they came up with the 300w from 150 3w leds.



again, Im sure they give good PAR light and all, but like with most LED's the $ is prohibitive for most... for their 800w unit you could get 6 of my radiion 8 bulb fixtures and light an 8x4 area or 6x6 with better spread, (although using 2500w of power still, w/ the resulting heat) I think the heat from their 800w would be around a single 8bulb t5, there are fans built in so it wont get very hot but it will still produce some heat.

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Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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pics from yesterday, 28days in...

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The nice short one is a complete random seed from a buddies bag of kindbud, but I think it may have Cheese genetics, cuz it smells rather cheesy and Ive never smelled that before lol, skunky sure but cheesy? not so much lol.
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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So im gonna start a grow next week and have 4 8 bulb Badboys free to grow under and all the right bulbs. Realistically how would be the most efficient way to setup and how many plants would you attempt to grow under a 32 bulb setup? I was WANTING to do 5 per fixture but think that might be too much and was thinking 3 might be most beneficial.

Thoughts?
 
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Calrt

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Lucius Vorenus said:
So im gonna start a grow next week and have 4 8 bulb Badboys free to grow under and all the right bulbs. Realistically how would be the most efficient way to setup and how many plants would you attempt to grow under a 32 bulb setup? I was WANTING to do 5 per fixture but think that might be too much and was thinking 3 might be most beneficial.Thoughts?
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I have 6 per and they seem comfy....I would do that many again.
 
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Calrt

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I am at day 26 now and the HPS is really running away from the T5. I would say almost double in size now! I will very some pics soon. The T5s look healthier and much darker green. But just not producing as much at this point. They have come to a crawl after growing like mad out of the gate for the first 14g days. I have 4 red suns, 3 fijis and 1 454 for the past week. I had 2 coral waves in there when they seemed to stall and added another Fiji and red sun in hopes of helping. No luck. Should O pick up some Plant grows? Throw two of those in there? What do you think?
 
Psytranceorgy

Psytranceorgy

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pr0fesseur said:
You are correct sir!

if anyone wants to see true LED lights
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http://search.digikey.com/us/en/cat/optoelectronics/leds-high-brightness-power-modules/525140?k=Cree LMR4&vendor=90

http://orphek.com/led/orphek-products/pr-156/

[video=youtube;uzPlTIPpOdU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzPlTIPpOdU&feature=fvwrel[/video]

http://blog.aquanerd.com/2011/06/more-info-on-the-orphek-3rd-gen-diodes.html




Let the Pr0f School ya ;)
These are REAL LED lighting products! and if i had the $$ i would buy THESE and nothing else! but for the price of one of these i could buy 5KW of T5!
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Interesting post... Here is the spectrum, with all LEDs ON



Is that enough RED flower power?
 
Psytranceorgy

Psytranceorgy

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I guess I'm more inclined to like graphs like:

plant grow



flora sun


colormax



etc...
etc...

...and if the KZ Fiji Purple is truly (BTW HYROOT!!! VERY NICE FIND ON THAT THOMAS POHL POST A FEW PAGES BACK!!!) a Hagen Aqua Glow bulb minus the yellow/green/orange... then the Fiji Purple is would truly be a wonderful bulb...
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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Calrt said:
I am at day 26 now and the HPS is really running away from the T5. I would say almost double in size now! I will very some pics soon. The T5s look healthier and much darker green. But just not producing as much at this point. They have come to a crawl after growing like mad out of the gate for the first 14g days. I have 4 red suns, 3 fijis and 1 454 for the past week. I had 2 coral waves in there when they seemed to stall and added another Fiji and red sun in hopes of helping. No luck. Should O pick up some Plant grows? Throw two of those in there? What do you think?
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Based on your post above this one you have too many plants under each fixture most likely. I think 3-4 flowering plants under 488 watts is probably a fair number
 
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Calrt

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Lucius Vorenus said:
Based on your post above this one you have too many plants under each fixture most likely. I think 3-4 flowering plants under 488 watts is probably a fair number
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Does that mean that there are too many under the HPS as well? They look fantastic and have less room then the T5s as they are more bushy.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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I have 8 under mine and they are 3 feet tall. They are comfortbale with plenty of room. Im also doing pure indicas though. I plan on getting them bigger on the next that I have vegging now.
 
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