Listing the actual wattage of the whole panel is not trolling, it is done to help keep people informed of the actual wattage of panels. I know I don't troll blackstar, they end up being the company I recommend most often because people don't have as much money to spend as others.
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yes you just want to inform people...then link a site selling spectra led's at the end of your post and remind everyone they don't lie about their true wattage...I recall calling you out for doing this exact thing months ago...just a lil advice...try putting down blackstar and hyping up spectra in seperate posts atleast...then it wont be so obvious...now remind me how you finally admitted blackstar can produce buds...after being in complete denial about this for months in this very thread...youre all comically pathetic and i hope youre atleast getting free lights out of this
someone goes to irishboy's spectra grow and asks about the blackstar...his response
i dont know never used it or seen a completed grow proving it to produce killer yields. sorry man wish i could be more help, best bet will be to try it out and see how it turns out and if it meets ur needs. i am not a big fan of black start because this mislead people with the watts of their units. the 240w only really is a 133w and i feel they should state that on their website for others to see before they buy, but they trick others into thinking their getting a great deal on a 240w light hiding the fact that its only really a 133w on their website. not sure what ur 180w really is? but 240w being a 133w is a big difference, so ur really not running allot of watts to be intense light to produce big solid dense nugs. sorry if you were mislead.
lol...it's like theyre all trained to say the same shit about blackstar...so obvious...get a new sales pitch kids
i dont know never used it or seen a completed grow proving it to produce killer yields. sorry man wish i could be more help, best bet will be to try it out and see how it turns out and if it meets ur needs. i am not a big fan of black start because this mislead people with the watts of their units. the 240w only really is a 133w and i feel they should state that on their website for others to see before they buy, but they trick others into thinking their getting a great deal on a 240w light hiding the fact that its only really a 133w on their website. not sure what ur 180w really is? but 240w being a 133w is a big difference, so ur really not running allot of watts to be intense light to produce big solid dense nugs. sorry if you were mislead.
lol...it's like theyre all trained to say the same shit about blackstar...so obvious...get a new sales pitch kids
oh shame on me for doing in once months ago? I never once said blackstar couldn't produce bud, I never put down blackstar except for the wattage thing, I know they are not lieing but most people will read that and assume its the total wattage of the panel and it isn't. Go ahead and find some posts of me bashing blackstar, and to me memory I only ever put a link to GLH in a comment *without being asked to first* once,
If you're just going to troll then please stop. I have not seen any of this blackstar bashing people keep talking about, and I certainly haven't been a part of it. Can we please get back to LED lights please?
***Anyone have anything to say about panels other than those from GLH or Blackstar? Anyone perhaps have a link to a grow with that new Kessil Halo, or a 5w diode panel? I see 5w diode panels are popping up now but I haven't seen any gorw journals with one. They look to be about 50% brighter for the 3w -> 5w
you people trying to compare LED lights from the to the other, using 2 plants per light and shit... your not doing it right at all...
You would need to do a minimum of 5 plants per light, and record dry weight for those plants ALL THE same strain, then do a statistical analysis using T-test to compare the means... you cant just say
51 gram blackstar
41 gram other light
for 2 plants a light, just doesn't work like that.
You would need to do a minimum of 5 plants per light, and record dry weight for those plants ALL THE same strain, then do a statistical analysis using T-test to compare the means... you cant just say
51 gram blackstar
41 gram other light
for 2 plants a light, just doesn't work like that.
ColoradoLove
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How many times are we gonna keep doing this? HEY BLACKSTAR USERS, IF THERES SO MANY OF YOU DOING AWESOME THINGS, SHOW ME SOMETHING!!! My PM box will be wide open for all those amazing journals.
All we got so far is Kush Groove's leggy girls and supergravy's journal where the Blackstar got beat. If that's what you guys are about then that's great, I hope you get the mediocre results you're looking for. If you really want to see what LEDs are about, spend the money on a panel that will actually perform.
And on that note I'm unsubbing from this thread. Enjoy talking about how great the Blackstars are that none of you have actually run.
All we got so far is Kush Groove's leggy girls and supergravy's journal where the Blackstar got beat. If that's what you guys are about then that's great, I hope you get the mediocre results you're looking for. If you really want to see what LEDs are about, spend the money on a panel that will actually perform.
And on that note I'm unsubbing from this thread. Enjoy talking about how great the Blackstars are that none of you have actually run.
newworldicon
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Last week this thread seemed to be moving in the right direction with people discussing issues surrounding the finer details of LED's....this week everyone is arguing again about which is better or worse.
Do you guys ever leave your egos behind??????????????
Get back on track everyone, it does not matter which is better, what matters is how we can ALL get good results under our chosen panels..!!
Do you guys ever leave your egos behind??????????????
Get back on track everyone, it does not matter which is better, what matters is how we can ALL get good results under our chosen panels..!!
newworldicon
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Dude get a grip, you don't have to leave the thread based on this....that's just silly..
Tripp10966
Active Member
Fuck ive missed alot but I saw the same journal and he was sayin on a gram per watt basis colorado. Ive seen several blackstar grows myself mamma t has one on bubbleponics right now. Plus I dont really judge what ima end up with off other peoples grows. There to many other contributing factors for me to decide that someone didnt get alot of pot jusy because of lighting. The pineapple express/star trek journal looked like they were using some pretty small pots for example im sure in a dwc he would have gotten a lill more bud.
BlackMesa
Active Member
I don't really agree with you there, I think growing 5 plants under a Blackstar 240w is unreasonable as it just doesn't have the coverage for 5 plants. I agree that there are better ways to test but in general it was a decent comparison considering the same strains were used, same environmental conditions, same nutes and both grows were sectioned off from each other. This experiment gave some decent information regarding LED growing in general. What I got from the test is:
Maybe more coverage has a bigger impact on yield then higher wattage in a smaller area. This Light show down was between a 133w panel and a 244w panel and 133w panel was shown to be more efficient in the gram to watt department.
Now take a look at the 244w panel, it is physically bigger then the 133w panel by 1/3rd and it's yield was 1/3rd more so this raises some very important questions.... Was the yield larger because of the size/coverage or because it was a brighter light? I think we can agree that this is worth looking into and can change the way we think of growing with LED lights.
@ColoradoLove: Of course the 244w panel produced bigger yield then the 133w panel but the interesting part is that it didn't beat it by much for running nearly double the watts, You can buy 3 of the 133w panels for the price of that spectra 244w light and that is where the value and strength is in that light...running them in groups.
For the record I am currently running a Blackstar grow but am using seeds from a local outdoor strain until my order comes in so I am deciding if I should do a journal now or wait for my proper strain. The seeds I am working with are old and the germination rate is horrible but I do have 3 strong seedlings and if I can get another 3 to flourish I will just start a journal to share the LED data. I'm convinced that using a crazy light soil mix is key when growing with LED's (thats if you grow with soil) and I will be experimenting with panel height which should provide some good data as well.
bmf725
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Has anyone began running a light rail with there led's? after 2 weeks of using mine with a light rail I can tell the canopy is far more even and all of the buds pretty much look uniform in size and maturity. I really feel using a rail and a SOG or SCROG setup is the way to go. I mean lets face it your not going to yield well growing 5 foot or bigger trees with these lights.
it is not a decent comparison, you have TWO plants out of hundreds of seeds that were produced from the mother. That's like saying two kids from the same mom should be EXACTLY the same no matter when the reproduction began, which is completely untrue. There is ALOT of genetics involved with yield, and out of two plants you cant make a educated decision. Also, I am not saying use a 240w black star or w/e, I'm simply saying, if your going to do test like these using these lights, you need to use a MINIMUM of 5 plants under the same amount of watts per 5 plants. hell you could be using two 500w Black stars, the point is, you cant judge anything with 2 plants. These type of "default" measurements are default in the statistics world. If I had the money and was in a medical state, believe me, id have already done this comparison and would have had graphical analysis for everyone to see, but I am not, unfortunately.
Now, I do see what you are saying about brightness vs. coverage.... and these are just more variables to consider, so it would be best to use say two 500w leds with 5 plants under each 500w. You would also need a PAR meter to record the par completely around the grow to ensure that the same amount of PAR is reaching all plants, any change in PAR would completely ruin the experiment.
puffenuff
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My leds from Advanced kick ass. I've seen good grows using magnums, blackdogs, pro-grows, supernovas, and even penetrators. Haven't heard much about the kessil halos but from what I heard about the old kessils is people either love them or hate them. I've seen some pretty nice plants using kessils too but I've never seriously considered them. I'm intetested to see which lights youve seen higher than 3w...I've seen the 5w blackdog, 6w haight solid state, and 6w arctic sun. I might be forgetting a couple I've ran across and I also feel like I've seen some claiming 6w but really only 3x2w (or 2x3w?) under a single lens. I do know that several companies will be releasing redesigned and upgraded panels within the next couple months.
hoss12781
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Post up some links the broseph! You're in the LED thread, by all means prove me wrong. And your logic about the riot is flawed in that Cammie fucks people over all the time yet you still see people buying and running Penetrators....[/QUOTE]
Man I'm lazy and honestly don't care beyond saying they aren't the worst or the best but probably ok for the price. Check T-shirt Ninja's grows. He's pulled some quality nuggets from his 240 blackstars.
I run Pro-Grows and really don't have a dog in this race just adding my 2 cents.
Man I'm lazy and honestly don't care beyond saying they aren't the worst or the best but probably ok for the price. Check T-shirt Ninja's grows. He's pulled some quality nuggets from his 240 blackstars.
I run Pro-Grows and really don't have a dog in this race just adding my 2 cents.
curly604
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i like this brightness vs coverage talk it seems that light intensity is never really a problem with leds but coverage is always lacking. if you vegged some monster bushes and just made sure there was good coverage with decent brightness/intensity would you yield more or would small bushes with mad intensity yield more?
Sorry I never started a journal but this is my wappa that I grew over the winter ( if I done the pics right) I've had to hang everything up for a while but will start a journal the next few weeks but this plant was grown start to finish under a 240 watt blackstar I ended up with about a half a pound off this one and it was about 3 ft tall
curly604
Well-Known Member
sent an email to glh about if they had actually released the new technology and for the new pricing and i received this the same day!
Thank you for writing and taking a interest in my spectra LED grow lights. In regards to your questions:
The Spectra Series LED grow lights all include true 3w led chips, a number of red and blue wavelengths with 12 peaks, 90 degree lens, fail safe technology, wide voltage technology which allows them to be used anywhere in the world and im the exclusive supplier of the wide band pure white led which is in my new panels that I developed. Yes the new tech panels are the ones being sold currently.
Here are the prices:
Spectra LED 100- $289.99
Spectra LED 180- $529.99
Spectra LED 290- $749.99
Spectra LED 500- $1299.99
There is a discount for forum members so if your interested please let me know and I can apply a discount to your order. If theirs anything else I can help you with please let me know.
Thank you,
Michael
GrowLEDhydro.com
way to be guy this man just sold an led lol , as i liked the look of his products already and this fast polite informative return email just sealed the deal, also a discount for forum members!!! first i heard of that and i like it!!!
Thank you for writing and taking a interest in my spectra LED grow lights. In regards to your questions:
The Spectra Series LED grow lights all include true 3w led chips, a number of red and blue wavelengths with 12 peaks, 90 degree lens, fail safe technology, wide voltage technology which allows them to be used anywhere in the world and im the exclusive supplier of the wide band pure white led which is in my new panels that I developed. Yes the new tech panels are the ones being sold currently.
Here are the prices:
Spectra LED 100- $289.99
Spectra LED 180- $529.99
Spectra LED 290- $749.99
Spectra LED 500- $1299.99
There is a discount for forum members so if your interested please let me know and I can apply a discount to your order. If theirs anything else I can help you with please let me know.
Thank you,
Michael
GrowLEDhydro.com
way to be guy this man just sold an led lol , as i liked the look of his products already and this fast polite informative return email just sealed the deal, also a discount for forum members!!! first i heard of that and i like it!!!
Kaptain Kron
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i totally agree with you a lot of folks want to talk shit, but to me i could care less, off of three kessils i pulled 8 ozs of some hermed ass bullshit bud because of a shit strain biggest yeild i've had off of them yet but am i going to do a journal on somthing that started to herm on me NO.... And for those of you who will say the kessils hermed it you would be wrong. None of the other strains i've grown under them has had a single nanner to speak of the herm came from nirvanas bullshit black jack genetics. One of my blackstar grows i had an INSANE spidermite infestation and gnat infestation. I killed them but my plants took a beating, do i want to post up pics and say look how good my shit looks when its covered in bugs hell no. Numbers dont lie people do, take everything you read here with a grain of salt and make your best decision based on that. It took me six months before i figured out what to buy and im still goin back and forth between kessil and black star. Both have pulled me huge yields, the crops that i kept clean and free of bugs were frosty as hell and nugs were very defined but im doing hydro and i've been a soil guy my whole life, im only four runs into hydro and every time was a different strain. Think if you take a strain you know dial it in in any medium, an led is more than capable of huge yields. I've only got a 2x3 foot area to play with and im pullin well over a gram per watt without knowing exactly 100% what im doing and running different strains every time. Someone does that that knows what the hell they are doing and knows their strain they are going to pull a fat yield.
To the people who talk down on blackstars because of them being cheap, why not just pop for one then if they are so cheap and test it. Ill buy it off of you for 75% of what you paid for it after u use it if you dont like it.
This is such a pointless battle over LED's i can use a 1000$ panel and pull a pound i can use a 250$ panel and pull a pound. Do i care what one i use NO i just want my pound. If you wanna get it payin a g for a light more power to u i bet its a sick ass light just dont get down on my blackstar cuz i only spent 250 and its workin real nice.
hoss12781
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https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/370767-art-auto-480.html#post5670703
T-shit's plants are on this page. Again I am not advocating any specific brand but obviously they are working well enough for him. I believe he dedicates one 240 unit per plant. I'm sure he'll see this post sooner or later. T-shirt feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this. The rest of his journal is on autoflower.net
T-shit's plants are on this page. Again I am not advocating any specific brand but obviously they are working well enough for him. I believe he dedicates one 240 unit per plant. I'm sure he'll see this post sooner or later. T-shirt feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this. The rest of his journal is on autoflower.net