January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

hanimmal

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As Vice President Mike Pence hid from a marauding mob during the Jan. 6 invasion of the Capitol, an attorney for President Donald Trump emailed a top Pence aide to say that Pence had caused the violence by refusing to block certification of Trump’s election loss.

The attorney, John C. Eastman, also continued to press for Pence to act even after Trump’s supporters had trampled through the Capitol — an attack the Pence aide, Greg Jacob, had described as a “siege” in their email exchange.

“The ‘siege’ is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so that the American people can see for themselves what happened,” Eastman wrote to Jacob, referring to Trump’s claims of voter fraud.

Eastman sent the email as Pence, who had been presiding in the Senate, was under guard with Jacob and other advisers in a secure area. Rioters were tearing through the Capitol complex, some of them calling for Pence to be executed.

Jacob, Pence’s chief counsel, included Eastman’s emailed remarks in a draft opinion article about Trump’s outside legal team that he wrote later in January but ultimately chose not to publish. The Washington Post obtained a copy of the draft. Jacob wrote that by sending the email at that moment, Eastman “displayed a shocking lack of awareness of how those practical implications were playing out in real time.”

Read: Pence aide Greg Jacob’s draft opinion article denouncing Trump’s outside lawyers

Jacob’s draft article, Eastman’s emails and accounts of other previously undisclosed actions by Eastman offer new insight into the mind-sets of figures at the center of an episode that pushed American democracy to the brink. They show that Eastman’s efforts to persuade Pence to block Trump’s defeat were more extensive than has been reported previously, and that the Pence team was subjected to what Jacob at the time called “a barrage of bankrupt legal theories.”

Eastman confirmed the emails in interviews with The Post but denied that he was blaming Pence for the violence. He defended his actions, saying that Trump’s team was right to exhaust “every legal means” to challenge a result that it argued was plagued by widespread fraud and irregularities.

“Are you supposed to not do anything about that?” Eastman said.

He stood by legal advice he gave Pence to halt Congress’s certification on Jan. 6 to allow Republican state lawmakers to investigate the unfounded fraud claims, which multiple legal scholars have said Pence was not authorized to do.

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Eastman said the email saying Pence’s inaction led to the violence was a response to an email in which Jacob told him that his “bull----” legal advice was why Pence’s team was “under siege,” and that Jacob had later apologized.

A person familiar with the emails said Jacob apologized for using profanity but still maintained that Eastman’s advice was “snake oil.” That person, like several others interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.

A Trump spokesman did not respond to a request for comment for this article.

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack has said that it plans to subpoena Eastman as it investigates his role in Trump’s efforts, which included two legal memos in which Eastman outlined how Republicans could deny Joe Biden the White House.

In the days before the attack, Eastman was working to salvage Trump’s presidency out of a “command center” in rooms at the Willard hotel near the White House, alongside such top Trump allies as Rudolph W. Giuliani.

Jacob wrote in his draft article that Eastman and Giuliani were part of a “cadre of outside lawyers” who had “spun a web of lies and disinformation” in an attempt to pressure Pence to betray his oath of office and the Constitution.

Jacob wrote that legal authorities should consider taking action against the attorneys.

“Now that the moment of immediate crisis has passed, the legal profession should dispassionately examine whether the attorneys involved should be disciplined for using their credentials to sell a stream of snake oil to the most powerful office in the world, wrapped in the guise of a lawyer’s advice,” he wrote in the draft.

Robert Costello, a lawyer for Giuliani, said Jacob had a right to his opinion. “This is an opinion piece, and not surprisingly, he agrees with his own opinion,” Costello said.

A bipartisan group of former government officials and legal figures, including two former federal judges, has asked the California bar association to investigate Eastman’s conduct.

Eastman’s memos gave several options for Pence to use the vice president’s ceremonial role of counting electoral college votes to halt Trump’s defeat. Eastman has argued that the 1887 Electoral Count Act is unconstitutional, and that the vice president has power under the 12th Amendment to decide whether electoral votes are valid.

Under the most drastic of the options outlined in the memos, Pence would have rejected electoral votes for Biden from states where Republicans were claiming fraud, making Trump the winner — a proposal that Eastman has more recently tried to disown as a “crazy” suggestion he did not endorse.

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Pence allowed other lawmakers to speak before they returned to counting the votes, and said he wasn’t counting the time from his speech or the other lawmakers against the time allotted in the Electoral Count Act.

Eastman said that this prompted him to email Jacob to say that Pence should not certify the election because he had already violated the Electoral College Act, which Pence had cited as a reason that he could not send the electors back to the states.

“My point was they had already violated the electoral count act by allowing debate to extend past the allotted two hours, and by not reconvening ‘immediately’ in joint session after the vote in the objection,” Eastman told The Post. “It seemed that had already set the precedent that it was not an impediment.”

Eastman, 61, is a veteran conservative legal activist who clerked for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. A longtime member of the Federalist Society, he has spent much of his legal career fighting same-sex marriage.

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mooray

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Pence shouldn't have certified the election because Pence allowed debate to extend beyond two hours?? Lol, what a bunch of jackoffs complaining about a rigged election while being the ones trying to rig an election.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Pence shouldn't have certified the election because Pence allowed debate to extend beyond two hours?? Lol, what a bunch of jackoffs complaining about a rigged election while being the ones trying to rig an election.
hypocrisy is the basis of republican political thought...
 

captainmorgan

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PA GOP Senate candidate Everett Stern announces he was approached earlier this year by representatives of Michael Flynn’s ‘Patriot Caucus’ to “gather intelligence” on Senators, Judges and Congressman in order to extort them to support audits. He says he gave the evidence to Feds.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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PA GOP Senate candidate Everett Stern announces he was approached earlier this year by representatives of Michael Flynn’s ‘Patriot Caucus’ to “gather intelligence” on Senators, Judges and Congressman in order to extort them to support audits. He says he gave the evidence to Feds.
i don't know his record in depth, but he looks like a semi decent person, at least compared to flynn and trump
 

captainmorgan

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DIY-HP-LED

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'Step it up or step out': Dem lawmaker gives Merrick Garland ultimatum on prosecuting Trump officials

Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-AZ) on Sunday issued an ultimatum to Attorney General Merrick Garland.

While appearing on CNN, Gallego demanded that the attorney general do more to prosecute Trump officials who tried to pressure Vice President Mike Pence and election officials across the country to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

"Look, either Merrick Garland steps it up or needs to step out," he said. "The attorney general of the United States, the most important thing is to protect the Constitution of the United States. He's failing now because he wants to stick to some norms. There is no norms when there's an almost-coup of this country!"

Gallego criticized Garland not just for failing to go after former Trump officials but also going easy on the Capitol rioters who stormed the building on January 6th.

"There are people out there that should be prosecuted and Merrick Garland needs to be leading the team that does it," he said. "Right now the sentences they're trying to hand out to people that were caught on January 6th in the Capitol are slaps on the wrist. I don't know what Merrick Garland is thinking he's able to accomplish this, but he's showing true weakness in a moment when we need actually true strength."
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Sounds reasonable.


what a fucking hypocrit..."quick, kill the insurrectionist i help incite to insurrection, they might hurt me!"
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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'Step it up or step out': Dem lawmaker gives Merrick Garland ultimatum on prosecuting Trump officials

Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-AZ) on Sunday issued an ultimatum to Attorney General Merrick Garland.

While appearing on CNN, Gallego demanded that the attorney general do more to prosecute Trump officials who tried to pressure Vice President Mike Pence and election officials across the country to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

"Look, either Merrick Garland steps it up or needs to step out," he said. "The attorney general of the United States, the most important thing is to protect the Constitution of the United States. He's failing now because he wants to stick to some norms. There is no norms when there's an almost-coup of this country!"

Gallego criticized Garland not just for failing to go after former Trump officials but also going easy on the Capitol rioters who stormed the building on January 6th.

"There are people out there that should be prosecuted and Merrick Garland needs to be leading the team that does it," he said. "Right now the sentences they're trying to hand out to people that were caught on January 6th in the Capitol are slaps on the wrist. I don't know what Merrick Garland is thinking he's able to accomplish this, but he's showing true weakness in a moment when we need actually true strength."
"The attorney general of the United States, the most important thing is to protect the Constitution of the United States. He's failing now because he wants to stick to some norms. There is no norms when there's an almost-coup of this country!"

FUCKING THIS, EXACTLY ^ start nailing motherfucking traitors to the wall, with NO DELAY!
 

hanimmal

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'Step it up or step out': Dem lawmaker gives Merrick Garland ultimatum on prosecuting Trump officials

Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-AZ) on Sunday issued an ultimatum to Attorney General Merrick Garland.

While appearing on CNN, Gallego demanded that the attorney general do more to prosecute Trump officials who tried to pressure Vice President Mike Pence and election officials across the country to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

"Look, either Merrick Garland steps it up or needs to step out," he said. "The attorney general of the United States, the most important thing is to protect the Constitution of the United States. He's failing now because he wants to stick to some norms. There is no norms when there's an almost-coup of this country!"

Gallego criticized Garland not just for failing to go after former Trump officials but also going easy on the Capitol rioters who stormed the building on January 6th.

"There are people out there that should be prosecuted and Merrick Garland needs to be leading the team that does it," he said. "Right now the sentences they're trying to hand out to people that were caught on January 6th in the Capitol are slaps on the wrist. I don't know what Merrick Garland is thinking he's able to accomplish this, but he's showing true weakness in a moment when we need actually true strength."
That sounds like a stellar idea with the insurrectionist RINO's blocking as many Biden's nominees as possible.

 

hanimmal

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Biden's nominees for what?
Looks like Biden did just have 4 make it through the nomination process in Justice department in late October, so hopefully they can start getting some shit done.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2020/biden-appointee-tracker/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_23
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This story was a lot longer so I didn't bring in the entire thing, but a big one is the ambassadors on the world stage. So screw ups like the French submarine thing doesn't get 'accidentally' told that there was communications ahead of time when there were not by Trump appointees.
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President Biden — who has made renewed international engagement a hallmark of his foreign policy ethos — is headed to a pair of global summits in Europe this week with just a handful of his ambassadors in place, as most of his picks to represent the United States abroad remain mired in messy domestic politics.

To date, only four of Biden’s choices to be a U.S. ambassador to a foreign government have been approved by the Senate — three of them just on Tuesday. That means Biden is lagging considerably behind his immediate predecessor, Donald Trump, who at this point in his presidency had 22 such U.S. ambassadors confirmed, 17 of them by voice vote, according to data compiled by Senate Democratic leadership aides.

The delays stem from threats by some Republican senators, led by Ted Cruz (Tex.), who has been angling for a fight with the Biden administration over matters of national security. That is prolonging the usually routine process of getting ambassadors formally installed, while several high-profile posts are also vacant because the White House has yet to put forward nominees for them.

The vacancies are coming into sharper view this week as the president embarks on the second overseas trip of his term, first for the Group of 20 summit in Rome and then to Glasgow, Scotland, for the United Nations climate summit known as COP26.

Among the other 19 members of the G-20, 15 of them do not have a U.S. ambassador in place (Indonesia and Russia have U.S. ambassadors who were held over from the Trump administration). Biden has yet to nominate his own pick for Italy, which this year is hosting the annual gathering of leaders from the world’s largest economies, nor for the European Union, United Kingdom, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Brazil and Australia.

The four ambassadors to foreign governments — Mexico, Turkey, New Zealand and Austria — who have been confirmed are either former senators or the widows of former senators, whom Cruz said he would not block as a courtesy. Cindy McCain, the widow of former senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), was also approved Tuesday as the U.S. representative to a United Nations food agency, which gives her the rank as ambassador. And the Senate approved Linda Thomas-Greenfield as United Nations ambassador as part of the Cabinet confirmations earlier this year.

But as time passes without the Senate processing ambassadors for elsewhere in the globe, allies of the administration are increasingly sounding the alarm about the diplomatic ramifications. Meanwhile, Democratic senators’ usual irritation at Cruz has reached new levels.

“This risks being hyperbolic, but it’s like negotiating with a terrorist,” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said of Cruz, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee with past and potentially future presidential ambitions. “He is not the secretary of state. The people of this country did not elect him or his party to represent us abroad. And what he’s asking for is to control American foreign policy.”

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) added, “At the end of the day, it’s not my job to make his presidential ambitions happen.”

In some countries, high-ranking government officials will not meet with anyone short of a formal U.S. ambassador, shunning the chargés d’affaires who have taken over in the interim.

U.S. ambassadors can often attract attention from the foreign press and public that chargés cannot — and ultimately, they exert more influence while promoting the United States’ agenda and explaining decisions made back home to foreign leaders. The bipartisan 9/11 Commission has suggested that delays in confirming national security and foreign policy nominees can damage the United States’ ability to respond to attacks.

“Public diplomacy is neutered when you don’t have an ambassador,” said Murphy, a senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. “When six months or a year goes by without a U.S. ambassador, they infer that it’s a value judgment being placed on the relationship.”

The Washington Post’s nomination tracker

Cruz’s main goal is to force the administration to slap sanctions on the Russia-backed company behind Nord Stream 2, a Russia-to-Germany gas pipeline that critics say could empower Moscow and give it significant leverage in Europe.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Looks like Biden did just have 4 make it through the nomination process in Justice department in late October, so hopefully they can start getting some shit done.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2020/biden-appointee-tracker/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_23
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This story was a lot longer so I didn't bring in the entire thing, but a big one is the ambassadors on the world stage. So screw ups like the French submarine thing doesn't get 'accidentally' told that there was communications ahead of time when there were not by Trump appointees.
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just more republican obstructionism..."look, he's not doing anything"...well how the fuck is he supposed to do anything when the republicans keep doing a Cartman "screw you guys, i'm going home!" ?
 

printer

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Looks like Biden is on the same track (or only slightly below) for nominations as Trump was. They are of course apples and oranges, we can't compare them as a "both sides" thing (in this regard).
"four of Biden’s choices to be a U.S. ambassador to a foreign government have been approved by the Senate — three of them just on Tuesday. That means Biden is lagging considerably behind his immediate predecessor, Donald Trump, who at this point in his presidency had 22"

4 compared to 22?
 

Dryxi

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"four of Biden’s choices to be a U.S. ambassador to a foreign government have been approved by the Senate — three of them just on Tuesday. That means Biden is lagging considerably behind his immediate predecessor, Donald Trump, who at this point in his presidency had 22"

4 compared to 22?
"Biden’s pace of confirmations is faster than Donald Trump’s, slower than Barack Obama’s and George W. Bush’s — though unlike any of those three, Biden has decades of Washington contacts to draw on."

 

Roger A. Shrubber

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"Biden’s pace of confirmations is faster than Donald Trump’s, slower than Barack Obama’s and George W. Bush’s — though unlike any of those three, Biden has decades of Washington contacts to draw on."

he also has legions of morons fighting him every step of the way...i think he's doing ok, with two obvious traitors in his own party, and thousands of republican bullshit artists spinning the very air he breaths every time he exhales...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Since there are congress people involved, this is going to an independent special counsel, all investigations and prosecutions related to 1/6 should be handled by them. That way it can go beyond this congress and the 2022 election, for as long as it takes. Ya need a special independent counsel, someone experienced, skilled and aggressive, with a broad mandate.
 

hanimmal

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Looks like Biden is on the same track (or only slightly below) for nominations as Trump was. They are of course apples and oranges, we can't compare them as a "both sides" thing (in this regard).
lol yeah, one wanted to actively not have anyone appointed (Trump) so they could have political hacks as 'acting' everything and damn the law, and one who is trying to do the work that we as a nation need to get done to keep our nation as safe and effective as possible (Biden). It is pretty telling when you look at it compared to Obama and Bush. I would love to see Clinton and Bush Sr lines too.
 
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