Is Time An Illusion?

eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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...Pauli's World Clock.

There is a vertical and a horizontal circle, having a common centre. ...
The vertical circle is a blue disc with a white border divided into 4 X 8 -- 32 partitions.
A pointer rotates upon it. The horizontal circle consists of four colours. On it stand four little men with pendulums, and round it is laid the ring that was once dark and is now golden (formerly carried by four children). The world clock has three rhythms or pulses:
1) The small pulse: the pointer on the blue vertical disc advances by 1/32.
2) The middle pulse: one complete rotation of the pointer. At the same time the horizontal circle advances by 1/32.
3) The great pulse: 32 middle pulses are equal to one complete rotation of the golden ring. ...It is supported by the black bird.


Quote taken from here. http://www.tony5m17h.net/ArchMandMus.html

I have to guess the colors of the figures represent quarks and anti-quarks, just a side note.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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eye exaggerate said:
...Pauli's World Clock.

There is a vertical and a horizontal circle, having a common centre. ...
The vertical circle is a blue disc with a white border divided into 4 X 8 -- 32 partitions.
A pointer rotates upon it. The horizontal circle consists of four colours. On it stand four little men with pendulums, and round it is laid the ring that was once dark and is now golden (formerly carried by four children). The world clock has three rhythms or pulses:
1) The small pulse: the pointer on the blue vertical disc advances by 1/32.
2) The middle pulse: one complete rotation of the pointer. At the same time the horizontal circle advances by 1/32.
3) The great pulse: 32 middle pulses are equal to one complete rotation of the golden ring. ...It is supported by the black bird.


Quote taken from here. http://www.tony5m17h.net/ArchMandMus.html

I have to guess the colors of the figures represent quarks and anti-quarks, just a side note.
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meh he's got it all wrong this guy has the REAL answers ;)

http://www.timecube.com/
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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eye exaggerate said:
...retarded, indeed. My plants need to grow faster :)

ROOTS on the clones man, ROOTS! En Den?? I am apprehensive about sticking the c-u-b-e into soil already, you know? How to know when it is T-I-M-E.
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Our little green charges ... the final arbiter of whut's whut. :bigjoint: cn
 
Farfenugen

Farfenugen

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Time is to a clock what the sands of an hour glass is to a chicken. It took me about 30 seconds to type that out and a further 10 seconds to type "it took me 30 seconds to type that out, and still yet another 10 seconds to type "and a further 10 seconds to type "it took me a further 10 seconds to type "it took me a further 10 seconds to type "it took me a further 10 seconds to type " and a further 10 seconds to type " and a further 10 seconds to type " and a further 10 seconds to type " and a further 10 seconds to type....
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Farfenugen said:
Time is to a clock what the sands of an hour glass is to a chicken. It took me about 30 seconds to type that out and a further 10 seconds to type "it took me 30 seconds to type that out, and still yet another 10 seconds to type "and a further 10 seconds to type "it took me a further 10 seconds to type "it took me a further 10 seconds to type "it took me a further 10 seconds to type " and a further 10 seconds to type " and a further 10 seconds to type " and a further 10 seconds to type " and a further 10 seconds to type....
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Very well put.
 
Dislexicmidget2021

Dislexicmidget2021

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Time itself is a concept of illusion when viewed in a subjective mindset,but when you look towards the logical side of it,thinking about it in the realm of objectivity,one can see that time is equivalent to animation of matter.Even space itself has subtle animation.We have only found the means to understand the tip of the iceberg as far as time goes,mostly for our needs of measuring it,yet we are understanding slowly the innate nature of what "time" itself actualy is.
 
olylifter420

olylifter420

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scientists say that time began at the point of the big bang right? if so, then what constitutes those molecules that began the big bang? Are they not subject to time itself? I dont know man, im pretty meddy at work and its boring, lol
 
Anjinsan

Anjinsan

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Time is a measurement. How long it takes to revolve around the sun? 1 year. <--- time.
How long it takes the planet to fully rotate? 1 day. <--- time. That period is sliced in 24 pieces.
Those pieces are called hours. <--- time. Hour are sliced into minutes...minutes into seconds and
so on and so on. Why do we pay attention to these divisions of planetary movements?

To know when one can expect seasons and length of daylight...etc. Farmers of course are particularly interested
in "time". Now we have seasons due to having a tilted planet that rotates with stability (thx moon you rawk)

It is largely because of our exact "set up" that we as a species even exist to pay attention. But animals too are aware
of time. They do all sorts of behaviors and are doing them at a specific time.

With a different sun...different planet...different celestial movements...time would be different. A day might only be 7 hours long.
A year might be a month long. So on and so forth. It'd be relatable to our time. Like I just showed you. Their day = 7 of our hours. Etc.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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olylifter420 said:
scientists say that time began at the point of the big bang right? if so, then what constitutes those molecules that began the big bang? Are they not subject to time itself? I dont know man, im pretty meddy at work and its boring, lol
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Not necessarily. Did you watch the first video? Lee Smolin says something like time is older than the universe. It was here before the big bang and will be here after it ends.

He wrote a little essay here. Part of it reads:
Indeed, is there a single, absolute time which, although measured imperfectly by any actual clock, is the true time of the world? It seems there must be, otherwise, what do we mean when we say that some particular clock runs slow or fast? On the other hand, what could it mean to say that something like an absolute time exists if it can never be precisely measured?
A belief in an absolute time raises other paradoxes. Would time flow if there were nothing in the universe? If everything stopped, if nothing happened, would time continue?

On the other hand, perhaps there is no single absolute time. In that case, time is only what clocks measure and, as there are many clocks and they all, in the end, disagree, there are many times. Without an absolute time, we can only say that time is defined relative to whichever clock we choose to use.
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Go read the whole thing, it's interesting and not very long http://www.fortunecity.com/emachines/e11/86/whattime.html
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Dislexicmidget2021 said:
Time itself is a concept of illusion when viewed in a subjective mindset,but when you look towards the logical side of it,thinking about it in the realm of objectivity,one can see that time is equivalent to animation of matter.Even space itself has subtle animation.We have only found the means to understand the tip of the iceberg as far as time goes,mostly for our needs of measuring it,yet we are understanding slowly the innate nature of what "time" itself actualy is.
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Ok. I Agree that logically it is a REAL, MEASUREMENT of space and something that happens in it, that we call "aging". But it is not a "real thing" outside of our minds need to have a word for what causes aging.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Anjinsan said:
Time is a measurement. How long it takes to revolve around the sun? 1 year. <--- time.
How long it takes the planet to fully rotate? 1 day. <--- time. That period is sliced in 24 pieces.
Those pieces are called hours. <--- time. Hour are sliced into minutes...minutes into seconds and
so on and so on. Why do we pay attention to these divisions of planetary movements?

To know when one can expect seasons and length of daylight...etc. Farmers of course are particularly interested
in "time". Now we have seasons due to having a tilted planet that rotates with stability (thx moon you rawk)

It is largely because of our exact "set up" that we as a species even exist to pay attention. But animals too are aware
of time. They do all sorts of behaviors and are doing them at a specific time.

With a different sun...different planet...different celestial movements...time would be different. A day might only be 7 hours long.
A year might be a month long. So on and so forth. It'd be relatable to our time. Like I just showed you. Their day = 7 of our hours. Etc.
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They are aware of daylight in relation to other/older plant and animal activity, not time.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Finshaggy said:
Ok. I Agree that logically it is a REAL, MEASUREMENT of space and something that happens in it, that we call "aging". But it is not a "real thing" outside of our minds need to have a word for what causes aging.
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And I mean a word further than "cell cycle", that causes aging.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Inanimate objects, like stars, age as well.
The concept of entropy is used to invoke the one-way nature of aging, and its underlying dimensional component - time.
If you believe that velocity is a real property of an object, you pretty much accept time as an inseparable part of the real. cn
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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cannabineer said:
Inanimate objects, like stars, age as well.
The concept of entropy is used to invoke the one-way nature of aging, and its underlying dimensional component - time.
If you believe that velocity is a real property of an object, you pretty much accept time as an inseparable part of the real. cn
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They age based on what their fuel is doing, same as we age based on our cells.
 
THENUMBER1022

THENUMBER1022

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yes, rocks often start as hundred thousand year old clumps of dirt or clay, that become fossilized. they often have visible erosion evidence on every side of the rock. An indication of it getting older, and taking abuse for millions of years
 
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