Is Time An Illusion?

mindphuk

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Time is not the THING. The thing is deterioration, or age, or the movement of the sun.
If I ask what do inches measure, you say space. If I ask what do seconds measure, the answer is time. Regardless of whatever you think that time is, it is a fact that we are measuring something with seconds. If you say it is deterioration (I call increasing entropy) then that is what time 'is.' You seem stuck on the idea that time is a material thing. It is no more material than space. What is space, it is distance, what is distance, it is the space between things. With space, something you say is real, is just as hard to describe without circularity as time is. That doesn't mean that either of these things are an illusion, it just means that physics hasn't been able to give us any definitive answer.
TIME IS A MEASUREMENT OF THOSE. Like inches is for space. Those are simply things that happen within space. They are not happening because they are moving through "The fabric of time". That's not real in my mind. It makes no sense.
There are a lot of things in this reality that don't make sense but that doesn't mean that it isn't true. If you watched the videos, you would have seen one scientist say that because space and time scale differently is what gives us the weirdness of quantum mechanics. A particle in two places at once, quantum nonlocality. These are things that don't make sense yet are proven time and again to be absolutely true.
 

mindphuk

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I'm just repeating myself over and over and you keep asking me to say the same things.
Well quit mixing up the units of measure with what is being measured. I don't go out to measure a mile. I use a mile to measure some THING. You are making absolutely no logical sense.
 

Finshaggy

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If I ask what do inches measure, you say space. If I ask what do seconds measure, the answer is time. Regardless of whatever you think that time is, it is a fact that we are measuring something with seconds. If you say it is deterioration (I call increasing entropy) then that is what time 'is.' You seem stuck on the idea that time is a material thing. It is no more material than space. What is space, it is distance, what is distance, it is the space between things. With space, something you say is real, is just as hard to describe without circularity as time is. That doesn't mean that either of these things are an illusion, it just means that physics hasn't been able to give us any definitive answer.

There are a lot of things in this reality that don't make sense but that doesn't mean that it isn't true. If you watched the videos, you would have seen one scientist say that because space and time scale differently is what gives us the weirdness of quantum mechanics. A particle in two places at once, quantum nonlocality. These are things that don't make sense yet are proven time and again to be absolutely true.
Space is something that you can exist within. Time is a figment of your imagination.
 

Finshaggy

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Well quit mixing up the units of measure with what is being measured. I don't go out to measure a mile. I use a mile to measure some THING. You are making absolutely no logical sense.
You use a mile to measure a distance. You use time to measure how old you are. Time is the grouping together of the idea of seconds, hours, minutes, days. You use time to measure how far a long a persons cells are in reproduction and deterioration. You use time to measure what day it is, what year it is, what month it is within a calendar.
 

Stark Raving

Active Member
How do you still not get this?

You use a mile to measure distance.

You use YEARS to measure how old you are.

Mindphuck and I have both explained this flaw in your argument quite clearly.

Remember that repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.
 

Psychedelic Breakfast

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I saw this thread from the recent posts and it said "is time an illusion"

And I thought "no that's stupid. Time isn't an illusion. Time is.... Oh wow" and had to click. Not even sure I read the post but thanks for this
 

tokenbrownguy

Active Member
I saw this thread from the recent posts and it said "is time an illusion"

And I thought "no that's stupid. Time isn't an illusion. Time is.... Oh wow" and had to click. Not even sure I read the post but thanks for this
Agreed...theoretically, wouldn't time be a measurement of repeated happenings in space? Idk, just a wake n bake on my day off...
 

olylifter420

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MP, when we are building high fences for deer and game, we have to go out and measure the mile per 100ft sections. 1 mile of high fence describes the distance of fence needed, it is not pre measured for us. Man i hope this contributes something, im just out of it a bit cause my aunt passed this morning, so im pretty distraught and depressed.



Well quit mixing up the units of measure with what is being measured. I don't go out to measure a mile. I use a mile to measure some THING. You are making absolutely no logical sense.
 

mindphuk

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MP, when we are building high fences for deer and game, we have to go out and measure the mile per 100ft sections. 1 mile of high fence describes the distance of fence needed, it is not pre measured for us. Man i hope this contributes something, im just out of it a bit cause my aunt passed this morning, so im pretty distraught and depressed.
My sincere condolences brother.
 

olylifter420

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time is infinite, therefore it does not matter what is measured.. Once you die, time is lost for you, but will continue on forever till acted upon by some external force


You use a mile to measure a distance. You use time to measure how old you are. Time is the grouping together of the idea of seconds, hours, minutes, days. You use time to measure how far a long a persons cells are in reproduction and deterioration. You use time to measure what day it is, what year it is, what month it is within a calendar.
 

Beefbisquit

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Time clearly exists in the present - but the belief that the future "exists" already, and the past can be "revisited" seems at least somewhat counter-intuitive...

And where are all the time travelers? If in the future we somehow create a time machine, where are all the interdimentional vacationers?
 

eye exaggerate

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Time clearly exists in the present - but the belief that the future "exists" already, and the past can be "revisited" seems at least somewhat counter-intuitive...

And where are all the time travelers? If in the future we somehow create a time machine, where are all the interdimentional vacationers?
...anywhere but here! For damn good reasons :)
 

ginjawarrior

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yes, that is why i said an external force must act upon it so it will cease to continue.. in life, death or decay is the external force for humans, but what force will act on time?
nothing external is needed, all the conditions for it to occur are already here

the stars will burn out leaving universe in darkness, their burnt out shells will decay
black holes will dissipate and disappear
there will come a point where nothing changes the universe will be in maximum entropy time will then be meaning less as the past would be indistinguishable from the future

remember that before you ever wish for imortality ;)
 
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