is the 2020 spider farmer 1000w with samsung diodes worth buying ?

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Broclee said:
Ok so the hlg you talking about are 138 watts a piece it would take 8 to total the wattage of a black dog. At 10 inches the average par is 700. The average par of black dog at at 30 inches is 900. At 10 inches it goes up around 3500 it doesnt have uv and I dont think it has infrared. These radiations have other profound effects on plants other then finishing them up and flower induction. They cause chemical reactions that make the plant absorb more carbondioxide and help produce more chlorophyll thought the life if the plant. Black dog uses uva light with doesnt harm plants as does uvb and UVc. And since we talking about expensive commerical lights hell any grow lights I would think there would be a spectrometer purchased to not only measure the amount and intensity of the light being used but also the type of light being used. Apogee makes one the would tell you if your uv diodes were bad in with case blackdog has a lifetime warranty so if your diodes failed they would replace them. Name me one commerical grow facility used diy equipment to grow weed over branded reputable equipment. Fact of the matter is black is expensive but it is worth it when it come to return on investment
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OK, so I don't know where you are getting your stats, but I assure you that HLG QB96's can be driven much higher than 138watts. In fact they can be driven at over 200watts with a heatsink upgrade. With the standard heatsink they are rated for up to 200watts a piece, so I'm kind of feeling like you don't really know what you're talking about with such a comparison. Also not sure where you came up with the PAR measurements at 10" for QB96's, because at that distance (even at 138watts) they will cause excessive light damage on plant tops.

As far as UV, no one is using UVC to grow, so not sure why you mentioned that. Also there are several scientific studies which point to burst type of lighting with UVB to be quite effective in increasing cannabinoids. That's why when I run UV, i only run it for 15 minutes at a time, followed by a recovery period of at least 45 minutes before another burst. As far as UVA, there is generally plenty of that in 4k white diodes, which is what the QB96's use, in addition to 630nm and 660nm diodes.

Also if you bothered to read my post you would see that I addressed that far red is better run separate, so that you can use it past the main lights out for flowering initiation.

Even if there is a lifetime warranty, it's useless because the light will be obsolete in 5 years. It really isn't a good return on investment at all. Do the math.
 
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cobshopgrow

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the blackdog linked doesnt have a single bit of IR btw.
theyre not claiming to have it, nor its showen in their spectrum chart on their website.
also it could make sense to compare ppfd output to ppfd output, not watts to watts.
 
Rocket Soul

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More reasons to shit on black dog
- liars: their light is about 1.6ppf/w and they say that its more efficient than hps-de: not true, DE is around 2.0. So about half as much light per watt as the newest chilled led in a similar price range.

-Fudgers: they say their 5w diodes are better than midpowers for "penetration" which is a very debatable concept: if you define penetration as how far down the plant you get decent nuggs : this has nothing to do with how powerful the diode is, and running a diode at 2.5 w is inherently less efficient than running one at say 0.2w due to heat buildup.

It's very easy to give arguments why BD is great, their webpage is full of them, problem is that the grand majority are fudged arguments which only make sense in bro science.
 
bk78

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Rocket Soul said:
More reasons to shit on black dog
- liars: their light is about 1.6ppf/w and they say that its more efficient than hps-de: not true, DE is around 2.0. So about half as much light per watt as the newest chilled led in a similar price range.

-Fudgers: they say their 5w diodes are better than midpowers for "penetration" which is a very debatable concept: if you define penetration as how far down the plant you get decent nuggs : this has nothing to do with how powerful the diode is, and running a diode at 2.5 w is inherently less efficient than running one at say 0.2w due to heat buildup.

It's very easy to give arguments why BD is great, their webpage is full of them, problem is that the grand majority are fudged arguments which only make sense in bro science.
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But the dude at my local hydro shop told me black dogs are the best.
 
Broclee

Broclee

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PJ Diaz said:
OK, so I don't know where you are getting your stats, but I assure you that HLG QB96's can be driven much higher than 138watts. In fact they can be driven at over 200watts with a heatsink upgrade. With the standard heatsink they are rated for up to 200watts a piece, so I'm kind of feeling like you don't really know what you're talking about with such a comparison. Also not sure where you came up with the PAR measurements at 10" for QB96's, because at that distance (even at 138watts) they will cause excessive light damage on plant tops.

As far as UV, no one is using UVC to grow, so not sure why you mentioned that. Also there are several scientific studies which point to burst type of lighting with UVB to be quite effective in increasing cannabinoids. That's why when I run UV, i only run it for 15 minutes at a time, followed by a recovery period of at least 45 minutes before another burst. As far as UVA, there is generally plenty of that in 4k white diodes, which is what the QB96's use, in addition to 630nm and 660nm diodes.

Also if you bothered to read my post you would see that I addressed that far red is better run separate, so that you can use it past the main lights out for flowering initiation.

Even if there is a lifetime warranty, it's useless because the light will be obsolete in 5 years. It really isn't a good return on investment at all. Do the math.
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So I read everything you wrote bruh. The reason you do burst with uvb us because of the fact it damages plants that nothing new. It just as much research on u v and it been proven to be a better source of u.v because it does not burn plants so you can use it for more then just burst treatment. I mentioned UVC because it is often used in grow rooms to sterilize the air. And since you do so much research what is your source that says far left uva is the same as 4000 daylike diode. You say every led had uva. Please site your source for this. And I own a black dog phyto max 1000 so inhave run the numbers I have dont better than that i have grown with one
 
Broclee

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Rocket Soul said:
More reasons to shit on black dog
- liars: their light is about 1.6ppf/w and they say that its more efficient than hps-de: not true, DE is around 2.0. So about half as much light per watt as the newest chilled led in a similar price range.

-Fudgers: they say their 5w diodes are better than midpowers for "penetration" which is a very debatable concept: if you define penetration as how far down the plant you get decent nuggs : this has nothing to do with how powerful the diode is, and running a diode at 2.5 w is inherently less efficient than running one at say 0.2w due to heat buildup.

It's very easy to give arguments why BD is great, their webpage is full of them, problem is that the grand majority are fudged arguments which only make sense in bro science.
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I have one and it works as advertised. And it was. Never argued that black dog was the most efficient and mine came in at 1.8 as advertised it funny how people that ain't never used one can tell a owner of one if there light works as advertised hahaha
 
cobshopgrow

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they say.
  • True full spectrum ranging from UVA to NIR (365-750nm) goes Beyond PAR™ for ultimate flowering and vegetative plant cycles

but when showing the spectrum for your light its simply not there.
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this is YOUR light, picture taken from the manufactorer site, see whats there above 700nm.

pls dont tell me there is enough IR to mention it.
pretty much every 3000K 80cri offers more then they do.



looks like this company say a lot when the day is long and it helps to catch some customers.
the efficency of their fixtures is quite bad and their spectrum isnt anything special, not to speak of their pricetag, comapred to recent offerings.
 
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Rocket Soul

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Broclee said:
I have one and it works as advertised. And it was. Never argued that black dog was the most efficient and mine came in at 1.8 as advertised it funny how people that ain't never used one can tell a owner of one if there light works as advertised hahaha
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I have not said it won't work. Just that they are liars and fudgers with an very expensive light.
 
Broclee

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cobshopgrow said:
they say.
  • True full spectrum ranging from UVA to NIR (365-750nm) goes Beyond PAR™ for ultimate flowering and vegetative plant cycles

but when showing the spectrum for your light its simply not there.
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this is YOUR light, picture taken from the manufactorer site, see whats there above 700nm.

pls dont tell me there is enough IR to mention it.
pretty much every 3000K 80cri offers more then they do.



looks like this company say a lot when the day is long and it helps to catch some customers.
the efficancy of their fixtures is quite bad and their spectrum isnt anything special, not to speak of their pricetag comapred to recent offerings.
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Bruh do more research so if you continue to look on there site you will see the two charts the one that tells you there uv is in the 400 range at 73 and that the ir is in the 730 range at 41. And yes 41 it is useful with is why most light producers use that about of far red. Because they want there light to mimic the sun. The other pic just tell you that ivan ranges from 315 to 400 so just so yes it does have uv.
Plus you said if I'm not mistaken you get uv from 4000k white light so if you was right you would be contradicting yourself when you say it doesnt hahahah man please. Also damn near any same wattage led will outperform it de hps light. Because the hps will heat your plants a whole lot more. I would think that was a simple concept to understand. So to say it not as good as and de hps just makes no sense
 

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evergreengardener

evergreengardener

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Broclee said:
Bruh do more research so if you continue to look on there site you will see the two charts the one that tells you there uv is in the 400 range at 73 and that the ir is in the 730 range at 41. And yes 41 it is useful with is why most light producers use that about of far red. Because they want there light to mimic the sun. The other pic just tell you that ivan ranges from 315 to 400 so just so yes it does have uv.
Plus you said if I'm not mistaken you get uv from 4000k white light so if you was right you would be contradicting yourself when you say it doesnt hahahah man please. Also damn near any same wattage led will outperform it de hps light. Because the hps will heat your plants a whole lot more. I would think that was a simple concept to understand. So to say it not as good as and de hps just makes no sense
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You got scammed by their marketing man. It happens. Black dog is overpriced trash sorry you bought it. No need to try to defend it
 
Broclee

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evergreengardener said:
You got scammed by their marketing man. It happens. Black dog is overpriced trash sorry you bought it. No need to try to defend it
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I didnt didnt get scammed I like my light and gonna buy. a few more. The fact if the matter is it cost 2k and many of yall are critics because of that fact only. Outside of people like yall who have never used the produce you wont find a negative review from actual purchasers and users of said produce. The only thing those uses would say close to being negative is that it was expensive with will be closely followed by it worth it so. And nobi didnt get scammed because it works as advertised. Oh hold up I forgot yall right I'm wrong I cant believe my lying eye
 
Broclee

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So what part of it works as advertised do you not understand. I have used other grow lights it dont take a rocker science to know if a light works better then another. But again I would expect that fro. People thank have never used the produce
 
Broclee

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Since these lights or so bad and they selling them hand over foot across the world. There should be hella reviews on how bad this expensive light is can yall go to y'alls favorite source and produce bad reviews from people that actually used it and speculators
 
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