Is she damping off already??

Nic Barlor said:

@whitebb2727

Temperature seems to have stabilized at 31.2 Celsius/88 Fahrenheit and 56% RH, and it's the dead of night, so I don't see it getting much cooler than that for the remainder of the summer (part of the reason I opted for the 250W for veg).

Do you figure she'll be due for a watering over the weekend?

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Its possible. I'm not sure how fast it will dry. Too many variables.

Best way to tell is pic it up. If it feels light water. If its heavy don't water.

whitebb2727 said:

Its possible. I'm not sure how fast it will dry. Too many variables.

Best way to tell is pic it up. If it feels light water. If its heavy don't water.

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OH GOD PLS HALP!!

I think she is thirsty; what else could this mean?? I left her last night after swapping out the lights. Then she slept from 9 am to 3 pm and I come home at 5 pm to this?!?!

Can I go ahead and water her? How much so, saturate the whole pot??
I don't think this was a light leak (like, her searching for light) because I made sure that there wouldn't be any before going to bed.

Nic Barlor said:

OH GOD PLS HALP!!

I think she is thirsty; what else could this mean?? I left her last night after swapping out the lights. Then she slept from 9 am to 3 pm and I come home at 5 pm to this?!?!

Can I go ahead and water her? How much so, saturate the whole pot??
I don't think this was a light leak (like, her searching for light) because I made sure that there wouldn't be any before going to bed.

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Raise the light some more.

Gently water it. Not on top of the plant. Just around it some.
Don't move it.

It will stand back up.

whitebb2727 said:

Raise the light some more.

Gently water it. Not on top of the plant. Just around it some.
Don't move it.

It will stand back up.

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I put some more soil around her to hold up the stem... :S
I panicked. Gonna water her now.

Nic Barlor said:

I put some more soil around her to hold up the stem... :S
I panicked. Gonna water her now.

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That's the worst thing you can do. That breaks the stem.

That's why in said let it be.

See how this one is laying sideways? It did the same as yours. They stand back up.

Just water the thing when it gets dry and stop bothering the gosh darn thing. It takes months for your plant to cycle through so be patient.

whitebb2727 said:

That's the worst thing you can do. That breaks the stem.

That's why in said let it be.

See how this one is laying sideways? It did the same as yours. They stand back up.
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Okay, so I measured 200 mL of water, pH'd it and watered her only 50 mL, I set the rest aside in case I need it later today..

I noticed the water had a tough time breaking the surface tension (I was also super gentle when pouring), I heard people add a drop of dish soap to their water?

I'm just going to leave her be, but aside from raising the lights, should I turn off exhaust and intake fan? (the intake doesn't blow directly on her, nor does the clip-fan, which is directed at the lights)

thenotsoesoteric said:

Just water the thing when it gets dry and stop bothering the gosh darn thing. It takes months for your plant to cycle through so be patient.

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See, that's the thing: I wanted to leave it be, but then when I did, I came back to a slouched seedling

Let me provide some context: it's the middle of summer, daytime temps are always around 90-96, and the tent is like 90 during the day (that's what it was when I came home).
Humidity in the tent is always sitting around 50s. So I should expect this thing to dry out like every other day, shouldn't I? I just don't have the reference for a light vs. heavy pot because it's never been saturated with water.

Nic Barlor said:

Okay, so I measured 200 mL of water, pH'd it and watered her only 50 mL, I set the rest aside in case I need it later today..

I noticed the water had a tough time breaking the surface tension (I was also super gentle when pouring), I heard people add a drop of dish soap to their water?

I'm just going to leave her be, but aside from raising the lights, should I turn off exhaust and intake fan? (the intake doesn't blow directly on her, nor does the clip-fan, which is directed at the lights)

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OK. That looks peat based. If it dries it gets hydrophobic.

If its not taking water easy then it needs a proper watering if its that dry.

You can either add a drop of soap or just water a little at a time as it takes water.

I would say water a little more in few minutes.

whitebb2727 said:

OK. That looks peat based. If it dries it gets hydrophobic.

If its not taking water easy then it needs a proper watering if its that dry.

You can either add a drop of soap or just water a little at a time as it takes water.

I would say water a little more in few minutes.

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Yeah, I figured it needed at least one full watering, considering it had never been water (and I think I said that I had transplanted her just straight into the promix, right from the bag, no watering).
I'll give it more water in a little bit.

whitebb2727 said:

OK. That looks peat based. If it dries it gets hydrophobic.

If its not taking water easy then it needs a proper watering if its that dry.

You can either add a drop of soap or just water a little at a time as it takes water.

I would say water a little more in few minutes.

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All right, I gave her the rest of the water, all 150 mL that remained, and apparently, I can saturate that 1.5L pot with like 100-110 mL of water.

There was about 50 mL of run-off after a 200 mL watering, so I'll give her less next time. I let the run-off (some of it) sit there in case it can get reabsorbed (but that's most likely the case for adult plants with established root system, no?) -- if that is the case, let me know and I'll toss the rest of the run-off.

Nic Barlor said:

Yeah, I figured it needed at least one full watering, considering it had never been water (and I think I said that I had transplanted her just straight into the promix, right from the bag, no watering).
I'll give it more water in a little bit.

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I over looked that part.

A good watering won't hurt.

You could actually set the pot in a bowl or pan and put water in the pan and let the pot wick it up.

Or just add a little water at a time.

Next time pre water your soil a couple days before transplant. You want a moist soil. Not soaked and not dry.

Nic Barlor said:

All right, I gave her the rest of the water, all 150 mL that remained, and apparently, I can saturate that 1.5L pot with like 100-110 mL of water.

There was about 50 mL of run-off after a 200 mL watering, so I'll give her less next time. I let the run-off (some of it) sit there in case it can get reabsorbed (but that's most likely the case for adult plants with established root system, no?) -- if that is the case, let me know and I'll toss the rest of the run-off.

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OK. Sounds good. Nothing should be needed now.

Thank you, @whitebb2727.

I've never taken [good] care of a plant before, it's overwhelming mostly because I don't yet understand her language xD, unlike my dog's, for instance...

whitebb2727 said:

I over looked that part.

A good watering won't hurt.

You could actually set the pot in a bowl or pan and put water in the pan and let the pot wick it up.

Or just add a little water at a time.

Next time pre water your soil a couple days before transplant. You want a moist soil. Not soaked and not dry.

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Yeah, I'll plan my next transplant. The first one was totally an emergency transplant because I didn't want the tip of her root to stay in contact with the bottom plastic of the humidome (which is what was happening), be it wet or dry.

And since the promix felt pretty humid, I didn't think it needed anything.. Which it didn't... But then again, I didn't factor in the intense light of my 250W drying out the soil even faster than 2 CFLs only 1' away.

Nic Barlor said:

Thank you, @whitebb2727.

I've never taken [good] care of a plant before, it's overwhelming mostly because I don't yet understand her language xD, unlike my dog's, for instance...



Yeah, I'll plan my next transplant. The first one was totally an emergency transplant because I didn't want the tip of her root to stay in contact with the bottom plastic of the humidome (which is what was happening), be it wet or dry.

And since the promix felt pretty humid, I didn't think it needed anything.. Which it didn't... But then again, I didn't factor in the intense light of my 250W drying out the soil even faster than 2 CFLs only 1' away.

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No problem.

If you start in small containers again don't worry if roots pop out the bottom. It happens. I usually wait until I got quite a few roots popping out like a solo cup.

Its all good though.

I would just let it be. I know it is hard to do sometimes.

whitebb2727 said:

No problem.

If you start in small containers again don't worry if roots pop out the bottom. It happens. I usually wait until I got quite a few roots popping out like a solo cup.

Its all good though.

I would just let it be. I know it is hard to do sometimes.

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Okay, I am letting it the fuck be, but I can't help but worry!!!

Again I come home to a slouching plant!!! I watered it as much as I told you yesterday (~200 mL with almost 100 mL run-off, which imo is too much), then this morning I check on it and "HEY, everything's yankee doodle dandy" (before its sleep), then I come home (again, around 5 pm, ca. 2 hours after it has "awoken", and it's lying down again!!!!!).

I really want to leave her be, but it ain't cool when I leave her alone and come back to a problematic plant every time....... Makes me wonder how other people in my city make it work

Before a few minutes ago, the distance between leaves and bulb was ~100-110 cm (39-43"), and after seeing it SLOUCH, I've decided to raise the light even further up (~ 120-130 cm, 47"-51") -- 250W MH, btw.

I washed my hands before sticking a knucle in there, and the soil is not super damp. It's fairly dry for the top knuckle/half-knuckle, but beneath that it starts to get pretty moist/humid.

UGH.

JUST WHY.

It STOOD UP yesterday after I gave it a good watering, and it maintained that upright rigidity all throughout its day!!! Then it sleeps, wakes up and.........................

I am trying to let it just be a plant and follow its natural course, but I always end up giving it too much attention.
Had I not looked at it, I wouldn't be as worried, but only because I would not have looked at it - and, to me, the whole "not looking at it" doesn't make the problem disappear! If anything, I want to catch the problem in its early stages, not when my fuck-ups have taken their definitive toll!

I haven't done anything to her besides check on her and stuck my clean knuckle knuckle-deep into the outer edge of the soil...

Temperature in Fahrenheit is 86.5 during the day...

Thanks for the help.

Its fine. Quit worrying.

Just a quick update: lil' baby MJ is looking pretty much the same as she was in my last post's pictures.
I'm kind of coming to terms with having loved both my first two seeds to death, because the sole survivor hasn't apparently progressed in a while, and I'm not sure how fast her growth would have been had I done everything right from the beginning.
I am, however, leaving her be. I just pull off the velcro cover from the mesh windows to check on her about 2-3 times a day (when I wake up/right before she sleeps, when she wakes up, and before I go to bed).

How many more days should I give her 'til I call a time of death?

Also, could a tiny light leak be causing this? I'm fairly certain no light is entering tent during "nighttime" hours, because I pulled shut all both sides of all air sleeves/cord sleeves.