Is a nuclear Iran bad for the world?

echelon1k1 said:
A) that's the first time you have used the term "taqiyya" correctly. Congratulations.

B) Can you show me where I stated "the israelis PROMISED to do some sea lane mining"? I don't remember even implying that.

C) My proof that Israel supports terrorist groups has been provided. I told you to google "Dershowitz, MEK & Camp Ashraf" alternatively I've posted links in previous threads https://www.rollitup.org/politics/671943-ready-hillary-7.html post #66 or here https://www.rollitup.org/politics/670381-syria-6.html post #51

D) RE:NIE & Iran - http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...ce-estimates-and-the-iranian-nuclear-program/

E) Spying is Spying but paper is not plastic. Work out that one and i'll rep you.

D) The picture you cited is proof you're a retarded bigot. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/28/content_386620.htm

The group holding her hostage was Al Qaeda in Iraq, a sunni salafist group. Iran is a shia republic and don't like sunnis to say the least. Anymore false equivalencies KKKeynes?

Just more proof your muslim rage is nothing but a manifestation of your religious bias.
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a: taquiyya is arabic for "Permissible Deception", lies told in furtherance of the "faith" every moslem nation uses arabic as it's liturgical languange, and thus they ALL use taquiyya, even if they translate it into the local tongue.

b: very well if you wish to pretend, i will demolish your pretense.
i said "israel doesnt threaten to mine commercial shipping lanes "
to which you replied: "Threats and Promises are two different things" since "Israel" is the subject, and "threaten to mine sea lanes" is the predicate, your response therefore implies that israel does not Threaten to mine sea lanes but rather that they Promise to do so. this leads the uninformed reader to draw the conclusion that israel HAS mined sea lanes, which is FALSE.

c : find any legitimate nation which does not pay people in rival countries to turn their coats, or supply secrets and i will accept your premise.

d: i didnt have any images of uniformed iranian soldiers holding an old lady hostage, while making demands. the sentiment is adequately expressed by the provided image however, thus explaining your BUTTHURT
 
Dr Kynes said:
a: taquiyya is arabic for "Permissible Deception", lies told in furtherance of the "faith" every moslem nation uses arabic as it's liturgical languange, and thus they ALL use taquiyya, even if they translate it into the local tongue.

b: very well if you wish to pretend, i will demolish your pretense.
i said "israel doesnt threaten to mine commercial shipping lanes "
to which you replied: "Threats and Promises are two different things" since "Israel" is the subject, and "threaten to mine sea lanes" is the predicate, your response therefore implies that israel does not Threaten to mine sea lanes but rather that they Promise to do so. this leads the uninformed reader to draw the conclusion that israel HAS mined sea lanes, which is FALSE.

c : find any legitimate nation which does not pay people in rival countries to turn their coats, or supply secrets and i will accept your premise.

d: i didnt have any images of uniformed iranian soldiers holding an old lady hostage, while making demands. the sentiment is adequately expressed by the provided image however, thus explaining your BUTTHURT
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A) Nice try, but you're still a blathering halfwit as taqiyya is a Shia term. Thus you're confusing Sunni and Shia again; which only serves to highlight your bigotry along with the scary picture of sunni jihadists, when we are talking about Shia Iran. :dunce:

B) My response stated exactly that; a threat and a promise are two different things - the implication being Iran has threatened to do something but has not done so - thus threat and promise. Do try to keep up old man.

C) I couldn't give a shit which premise you accept, the reality is Israel is only in it for the $3billion in annual aid from the US. I guess Pollard is your hero.

D) No you couldn't find anything factual, see point A
 
Dr Kynes said:
israel doesnt threaten us or any other nation with extermination (which iran does on a weekly basis)

israel doesnt threaten to mine commercial shipping lanes

israel doesnt oppress their citizens from religious minorities

israel doesnt fund terrorist organizations

israel isnt violating the nuclear non-proliferation treaty



your hate for Das Juden colours your world view, and it's sad.
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I have no problem with the Jews I know, most of who actually agree with my view point, which is that as long as the settlement process continues, there will never be true peace between the Israelis, their Arab neighbors, and what was then the indigenous population in 1948, the Palestinians. I am of Irish ancestry, and had a great uncle who was in the IRA during the Irish Uprising in 1916, which was the end of centuries of British occupation. As a result of that I can somewhat relate to the situation the Palestinians are in, where as some foreign entity shows up, and tells them your land is now our land. The whole charade of a "peace" process that exists today seems to amount to more settlements being built than ever before. If there can be any more obvious a reason that the world in general has a hard time feeling any sympathy for the Israelis, and Jews in general right now, that is probably the main reason. I think the Israelis should reconsider their treatment of the Palestinians, otherwise they are going to be a thorn in their side for a very long time to come, and the world's opinion about Israel might change if they exhibit some sincere effort to change their self righteous behavior, even their Arab enemies like Iran might adjust their bellicose attitude. Israel right now is giving the anti-Semites and their Arab enemies in the world more reason for their hatred, and they hopefully find will that out ,sooner than later the road they are on, is one that will not end well for anybody. Peace
 
echelon1k1 said:
A) Nice try, but you're still a blathering halfwit as taqiyya is a Shia term. Thus you're confusing Sunni and Shia again; which only serves to highlight your bigotry along with the scary picture of sunni jihadists, when we are talking about Shia Iran. :dunce:

B) My response stated exactly that; a threat and a promise are two different things - the implication being Iran has threatened to do something but has not done so - thus threat and promise. Do try to keep up old man.

C) I couldn't give a shit which premise you accept, the reality is Israel is only in it for the $3billion in annual aid from the US. I guess Pollard is your hero.

D) No you couldn't find anything factual, see point A
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A: taquiyya is an ARABIC term, not a persian one. all islam recognizes that deception in furtherance of the "faith" is halal, while lying for personal advancement, profit or concealing misdeeds (against islam and moslems only) is haram.

B: might want to review your primary school english lesons then, and also, iran HAS mined sea lanes before, and threatens to do so regularly, while israel HAS NOT mined any sea lanes, and DOES NOT threaten (or promise) to do so.

C: likewise i care not for your assertions that israel's spies are somehow more nefarious than anyone else's, including our own.

D: no iranian jew (or any religious minority for that matter) is permitted to leave iran unless several members of his family remain behind to ensure compliance, this is what we in the civilized world call HOSTAGES.
 
Jimdamick said:
I have no problem with the Jews I know, most of who actually agree with my view point, which is that as long as the settlement process continues, there will never be true peace between the Israelis, their Arab neighbors, and what was then the indigenous population in 1948, the Palestinians. I am of Irish ancestry, and had a great uncle who was in the IRA during the Irish Uprising in 1916, which was the end of centuries of British occupation. As a result of that I can somewhat relate to the situation the Palestinians are in, where as some foreign entity shows up, and tells them your land is now our land. The whole charade of a "peace" process that exists today seems to amount to more settlements being built than ever before. If there can be any more obvious a reason that the world in general has a hard time feeling any sympathy for the Israelis, and Jews in general right now, that is probably the main reason. I think the Israelis should reconsider their treatment of the Palestinians, otherwise they are going to be a thorn in their side for a very long time to come, and the world's opinion about Israel might change if they exhibit some sincere effort to change their self righteous behavior, even their Arab enemies like Iran might adjust their bellicose attitude. Israel right now is giving the anti-Semites and their Arab enemies in the world more reason for their hatred, and they hopefully find will that out ,sooner than later the road they are on, is one that will not end well for anybody. Peace
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the pallies are not, nor have they ever been the "indigenous population"

the original "indigenous" inhabitants of the levant were Philistines, who no longer exist as a civilization or an ethnic group.

the israelis defeated the philistines in a war of conquest well before the advent of reliable history and all of them were subsumed or driven into exile

SOME of the modern pallies are the result of arab colonization of the levant after more than a century of roman pogrom, and when the caliphate took over they were even more thorough in their dispossessing of jews from this new territory for moslems.

even the name "palestine" is of roman origin.

in the late 1940's when the brits were planning to remove themselves from the levant, to establish a state for the jews, many landless arabs from around the moslem world scurried in to squat a claim, and insist they had been there since time immemorial.

these claims were proved to be BULLSHIT by british investigations.

this is why, unlike the rest of the arab world, the pallies have no tribal authorities, no clan organizations, and no real cohesive social structure outside the political goal of eliminating Das Juden from the levant and re-establishing moslem dominance over the territory they once held.

in a pallie run levant, jews would once again be victims of pogrom, which they refuse to accept. meanwhile the "occupied territories" are now israel's problem since egypt and jordan DONT WANT IT BACK.
 
Dr Kynes said:
A: taquiyya is an ARABIC term, not a persian one. all islam recognizes that deception in furtherance of the "faith" is halal, while lying for personal advancement, profit or concealing misdeeds (against islam and moslems only) is haram.

B: might want to review your primary school english lesons then, and also, iran HAS mined sea lanes before, and threatens to do so regularly, while israel HAS NOT mined any sea lanes, and DOES NOT threaten (or promise) to do so.

C: likewise i care not for your assertions that israel's spies are somehow more nefarious than anyone else's, including our own.

D: no iranian jew (or any religious minority for that matter) is permitted to leave iran unless several members of his family remain behind to ensure compliance, this is what we in the civilized world call HOSTAGES.
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A) My god you are dumb - did I claim it was Persian in origin? No I said it is predominately a Shia custom as Sunnis see it as anything but complete trust in Allah. Again you're missing the sectarian angle and focusing on the cultural similarities.

B) Are you asking me to review primary school English while you're making minimum wage and cannot spell taqiyya? You're on the ball old man, keep those clown shoes coming.

C) Again you completely miss the point and go into hypersensitive mode, you little pussy. You sit there whining about Clintons admin letting state secrets walk out the door to China, but it's okay for Israel. Take off your hypocrisy hat, Hilda.

D) Yeah you'll need a citation for that, as I've already proven you wrong on many points...
 
Dr Kynes said:
the pallies are not, nor have they ever been the "indigenous population"
the original "indigenous" inhabitants of the levant were Philistines, who no longer exist as a civilization or an ethnic group.
the israelis defeated the philistines in a war of conquest well before the advent of reliable history and all of them were subsumed or driven into exile
SOME of the modern pallies are the result of arab colonization of the levant after more than a century of roman pogrom, and when the caliphate took over they were even more thorough in their dispossessing of jews from this new territory for moslems.
even the name "palestine" is of roman origin.
in the late 1940's when the brits were planning to remove themselves from the levant, to establish a state for the jews, many landless arabs from around the moslem world scurried in to squat a claim, and insist they had been there since time immemorial.
these claims were proved to be BULLSHIT by british investigations.
this is why, unlike the rest of the arab world, the pallies have no tribal authorities, no clan organizations, and no real cohesive social structure outside the political goal of eliminating Das Juden from the levant and re-establishing moslem dominance over the territory they once held.
in a pallie run levant, jews would once again be victims of pogrom, which they refuse to accept. meanwhile the "occupied territories" are now israel's problem since egypt and jordan DONT WANT IT BACK.
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Have you ever left the United States proper?
can you also cite your bullshit claims - and not with a religious book...
 
echelon1k1 said:
A) My god you are dumb - did I claim it was Persian in origin? No I said it is predominately a Shia custom as Sunnis see it as anything but complete trust in Allah. Again you're missing the sectarian angle and focusing on the cultural similarities.

B) Are you asking me to review primary school English while you're making minimum wage and cannot spell taqiyya? You're on the ball old man, keep those clown shoes coming.

C) Again you completely miss the point and go into hypersensitive mode, you little pussy. You sit there whining about Clintons admin letting state secrets walk out the door to China, but it's okay for Israel. Take off your hypocrisy hat, Hilda.

D) Yeah you'll need a citation for that, as I've already proven you wrong on many points...
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A: the principle of permissible deception is universal in islam.

B: what part of the english language is Taquiyya? also, dont get me started, the word is spelled MANY WAYS, when written in english script. it is PHONETIC not grammatical. examples of other acceptable spellings: taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah

C: clinton GAVE our secrets to the chinese making him a traitor to us, and an "intelligence asset" to the chinese, the chinese agents took these secrets, making them spies to us, and loyal intelligence agents to the chinese.
compare to Benedict Arnold, a traitor to the US, a turncoat never trusted by the brits who paid him, because he was in fact a TURNCOAT (and coats can be turned more than once) , while the agents who turned him received his majesty's thanks.
it's all about perspective, which you apparently lack.

D: "“The poor guy had a wife and baby in England and they wouldn’t let him leave,” recalls Milani, who later discovered that the Islamic Republic had an unofficial policy of denying passports to young Iranian Jews to coerce their families into returning home after traveling abroad. They were in effect held hostage. “You can’t be a human being without feeling offended that this is happening in your name in your country,” says Milani." http://www.momentmag.com/how-jew-friendly-persia-became-anti-semitic-iran/

"Besides, it is not easy to uproot oneself and one's family from a country where Jews have lived for 3,000 years, especially the elderly. Although Jews can and do travel, they are said to be denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens: in other words, members of the family are kept back as hostages." http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-happy-are-jews-in-iran.html

"Iranian Jews are generally allowed to travel to Israel and emigrate abroad, though they must submit passport and visa requests to a special section of the passport office, face restrictions on families leaving en masse, and travels to Israel must be done via a third country." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews
 
echelon1k1 said:
Have you ever left the United States proper?
can you also cite your bullshit claims - and not with a religious book...
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which "bullshit claims"?

that the phoenecians and philistines existed?
that these two societies do not exist any more?
that these societies were subsumed by the israelites?
that arabs swarmed into the levant in the 30's and 40's to squat some land in the hopes that the brits would give it to them despite it's ownership by others?

be specific.

also, yes, i have been to canada and mexico. what does this have to do with ANYTHING?

have you ever been to the levant? if not, you are not permitted to discuss israel.
have you been to persia? if not, you are not permitted to say anything about iran
have you been to the moon? if not, you are not permitted to discuss the apollo program or see by moonlight
 
Dr Kynes said:
A: the principle of permissible deception is universal in islam.

B: what part of the english language is Taquiyya? also, dont get me started, the word is spelled MANY WAYS, when written in english script. it is PHONETIC not grammatical. examples of other acceptable spellings: taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah

C: clinton GAVE our secrets to the chinese making him a traitor to us, and an "intelligence asset" to the chinese, the chinese agents took these secrets, making them spies to us, and loyal intelligence agents to the chinese.
compare to Benedict Arnold, a traitor to the US, a turncoat never trusted by the brits who paid him, because he was in fact a TURNCOAT (and coats can be turned more than once) , while the agents who turned him received his majesty's thanks.
it's all about perspective, which you apparently lack.

D: "“The poor guy had a wife and baby in England and they wouldn’t let him leave,” recalls Milani, who later discovered that the Islamic Republic had an unofficial policy of denying passports to young Iranian Jews to coerce their families into returning home after traveling abroad. They were in effect held hostage. “You can’t be a human being without feeling offended that this is happening in your name in your country,” says Milani." http://www.momentmag.com/how-jew-friendly-persia-became-anti-semitic-iran/

"Besides, it is not easy to uproot oneself and one's family from a country where Jews have lived for 3,000 years, especially the elderly. Although Jews can and do travel, they are said to be denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens: in other words, members of the family are kept back as hostages." http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-happy-are-jews-in-iran.html

"Iranian Jews are generally allowed to travel to Israel and emigrate abroad, though they must submit passport and visa requests to a special section of the passport office, face restrictions on families leaving en masse, and travels to Israel must be done via a third country." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews
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A) See point B - No term such as taqiyya is used in Sunni jurisprudence. Protecting one's belief during extreme or exigent circumstances is called idtirar (إضطرار), which translates to "being forced" or "being coerced", and this word is not specific to concealing the faith. Sunnis believe that it is allowed to deny faith under compulsion, threat, or fear of injury, as long as the heart remains firm in faith, but they also greatly disagree with some of the Shi'a's view of Taqiyya

Remember to keep your reply on point as we are talking sectarian issues here, not cultural.

B) I knew if I pushed your buttons on the spelling of taqiyya you would reveal your source "taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah" yep I caught your copy and paste - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya Since you feel this is a valid source to cite see point A

C) Correct - then you are familiar with human intelligence operations - nice little diatribe of useless information, back on point though, a US citizen spilling secrets to Israel is exactly the same as said US citizen spilling them to China. As I said, you're a Pollard supporter.

D) don't cite pro-Israeli blogs as evidence of your conspiracy theories and DON'T muddy the waters by cherry picking info. If you're so worried about the uninhibited comings and goings of human beings, you wouldn't support what Israel is doing to Palestine. All you keep managing to prove is you're a zealot, no different from the Muslims you call dog shit.
 
Dr Kynes said:
which "bullshit claims"?

that the phoenecians and philistines existed?
that these two societies do not exist any more?
that these societies were subsumed by the israelites?
that arabs swarmed into the levant in the 30's and 40's to squat some land in the hopes that the brits would give it to them despite it's ownership by others?

be specific.

also, yes, i have been to canada and mexico. what does this have to do with ANYTHING?

have you ever been to the levant? if not, you are not permitted to discuss israel.
have you been to persia? if not, you are not permitted to say anything about iran
have you been to the moon? if not, you are not permitted to discuss the apollo program or see by moonlight
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tell us more about sky daddy...

you need some life experience - and a shitload of it.
 
Dr Kynes said:
your hate for [multiculturalism] colours your world view, and it's sad.
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turned it around a bit on ya.

Dr Kynes said:
even funner fact: [X] are a self-segregating population, and thus do not have the ignorant, median destroying outlyers to bring down their average.
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racial purity is what the REAL AMERICA is all about, and why the REAL AMERICA must defend from the "multicultural wasteland of bullshit".

that's why you tell me to go to oakland or some predominantly black area if i want a "real multicultural experience".

it doesn't matter that my current area is basically a 4 way even split between whites, asians, hispanics, and blacks. that's not the type of "multicultural" experience or wasteland that kynes is talking about.

too facile.
 
Shit. If he ever staggered into Oakland, I'd give him a whole 13 minutes until he gets his head whooped, and then jacked for his Dodge Ram w/ the "OBAMA LIES" bumper sticker, just to see it set on fire 2 blocks down....

BurningTruck2_2010.jpg
 
Pinworm said:
He goes to the dealership. But, he don't cop nothin'....Window shopping GOP wanna-be..
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[video=youtube;450kVBk8vgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450kVBk8vgU[/video]

You're not a punk ass GOP wanna-be window shopper, are you Kynes?
 
Wow, Miss Kynes got fed a dose of, "sit down and shut the fuck up", by echo, ub and pin. All in one night, in a span of 20 posts. His bottom must be hurting.
 
echelon1k1 said:
tell us more about sky daddy...

you need some life experience - and a shitload of it.
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yes... greek and roman histories are so full of shit, because they had religions, and modern archaeology is clearly useless since all those artifacts which seem to be more than 5000 years old were put in the ground by jesus to test our faith.

the phoenecians and philistines DID exist, but no longer.

archaeology DOES prove that they were destroyed in a war of conquest by the migrating israelites, who WERE fleeing bondage in egypt, as demonstrated by egyptian hieroglyphs of the time.

but since that shit is found also in the torah, that means it's all bullshit.
 
Pinworm said:
Shit. If he ever staggered into Oakland, I'd give him a whole 13 minutes until he gets his head whooped, and then jacked for his Dodge Ram w/ the "OBAMA LIES" bumper sticker, just to see it set on fire 2 blocks down....

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i worked in Oakland for a few years, though i lived in Richmond for most of that time.

your assertion fails.
 
Pinworm said:
[video=youtube;450kVBk8vgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450kVBk8vgU[/video]

You're not a punk ass GOP wanna-be window shopper, are you Kynes?
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nope. i have no interest in ostentatious jewelry, or fancy but ultimately pointless cars.

what i want, i work for, and what i do not desire is irrelevant to my interests.

i AM a republican(supporter of the republic as a governmental and social form), as well as a registered member of the Republican Party, despite the party's repeated failures to live up to their own standards.

they are still more in line with my beliefs than democrats, but i LIVE my ideals, do you?
 
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